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Giant Ethicist posted:I've tried Contrast both over a zenithal and over a pre-shade of something more or less like thinned-down Nuln Oil followed by a white drybrush, and the latter works much better: I have the whole Death Guard side of Dark Imperium primed with a mix of death guard green and zandri dust and I've started highlighting a lot of it, but I still have some ways to go. Now I just want to strip them all and restart them this way, because it looks CRAZY good for them sons o' Nurgle.  The Bee posted:Yeah, agreed. The Command Phase seems like a great place to put more fiddly abilities so you don't forget about them and don't need to kludge them into other phases, but if you're going to get rid of Strength and Toughness you may as well get rid of wounds altogether IMO. They're already the klunkiest/least intuitive part of 40k IMO, and their main value comes from being a comparison between statlines (whereas To Hit is based on your unit and Saves are based on your opponent). Get rid of the comparative aspect, and what does the wound roll add? I think my FLGS owner once told me it's a hangover from Warhammer's history as more closely tied to combat simulation as opposed to an abstracted battle game (which seems to be the direction most of the game systems are heading AFAIK). e.g. A bullet would leave the gun (WS), it would then hit (strength of weapon) then the target could either have thick armour or dodge out of the way (toughness / armour saves). I think that's the main gist anyway, I've only played like three games so my knowledge is puny compared to some of the vets in this thread.
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Grundma posted:Which contrast did you use for the skintone? I have darkoath flesh and if I dont thin it relentlessly it comes out just looking like blotchy sunburns. Thinning it enough to avoid that makes it basically a more labor intensive flesh wash. For the Iron Golem? That's about a 1:1:2 mix of Guilliman Flesh, Basilicanum Grey and contrast medium (it's really important to include medium when you mix contrast paints, as they go way too dark otherwise), with a 1:1 mix of Volupus Pink and medium blended out from where the metal bits would chafe. I do use Darkoath quite a bit, although I've found 2 thinnish (meaning controlled rather than actually thinned with medium) coats over a pre-shaded base works a lot better than just thick one, yeah. Gives a nice dark skintone:  (Seriously, if anyone wants me to move all this AoS-model-illustrated Contrast chat to the painting thread I'll happily do so.) DrDraxium posted:I have the whole Death Guard side of Dark Imperium primed with a mix of death guard green and zandri dust and I've started highlighting a lot of it, but I still have some ways to go.  Looks real good, but man it's hard to go back to acrylics and blending and poo poo after figuring out how to make Contrasts work.
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Jun 16, 2020 07:10
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Talking about painting and posting pics is totally fine, but if you wanna have longer discussions about it, the paint thread might be a more appropriate place to post. That being said, I'm really impressed how all that is working out for you. Whenever I've tried Contrast over zenithal highlighting, I've found the paint tends to overpower the pre-shading I've done, and just kinda does the... Contrast thing.
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Jun 16, 2020 07:17
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Crosspost from the mini painting thread:JackMann posted:
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Jun 16, 2020 07:45
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JackMann posted:Crosspost from the mini painting thread: I like the right blue and yellow, but the gold on the left. The blue on the left might actually also work for me - but I'm really not feeling that yellow.
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I kinda like the left side at a distance, but when I zoom the picture in, the yellow kinda starts leaning toward green in my mind. I like the warmth of the right side too, though. I like the right side gold, but it doesn't contrast the yellow as well as the left side gold. I couldn't say which gold looks better on rest the body, though. The right gold would be a more vivid color, while the left is closer to GW boxart color. I think right side colors, and left side gold would be a totally great combo Desfore fucked around with this message at 08:45 on Jun 16, 2020 |
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Jun 16, 2020 08:43
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I don’t think the Goobertown Guy was really talking about converting people with sincerely held racist views, his video was addressing people who “wish politics could be kept out of the hobby” but who don’t (perhaps don’t yet) have strong opinions on social justice because they are still blind to their privilege. People like that are important to speak to, otherwise they risk actually becoming one of the enemy. If you watch the whole video he is pretty clear that people who sincerely hold intolerant beliefs must not be tolerated.
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Jun 16, 2020 08:57
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You some sort of anti-fascist-fascist? No but really this hobby is pretty much a lightning rod for abhorrent views.
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Jun 16, 2020 10:14
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Revelation 2-13 posted:Since it doesn’t say anything about it in the faction focus, it seems like they didnt change the resurrection protocols much, which is a shame. The implementation has been such a millstone around the neck of the necrons in 8th. It obviously has to be costed at something, but since it’s easy to circumvent by many armies, it ends up making all their units cost too much points-wise. I guess the new turtle on stilts helps some, maybe other new stuff will too but it doesn’t change the fundamental problem of units being killed to man easily, making their main gimmick completely useless. Well, I’m still holding out hope for a substantial change, despite it not being mentioned. They're talking right now about things specifically in the box, in the context of the very start of 9th when you'll mostly be using the current codex + an errata to fix anything that flat doesn't work in 9th + the datasheets in the box. Any changes to something like RP would come in a codex, which is going to be a little further down the line - though probably the first or second of the edition since Crons are a big feature right now.
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Jun 16, 2020 10:44
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Cooked Auto posted:https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/06/15/faction-focus-necronsgw-homepage-post-4/ I'm sure the guy knows what he is talking about, being a best in faction player, but it also really feels like he was restricted to only talking about already revealed changes when writing this. Were 8e necrons really held back by a lack of cp to spend on their 2 good stratagems? Also lol at "Warriors were the mainstay of many Necron lists"
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Jun 16, 2020 10:44
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Just opened my first ever Plague Marine box. Jesus, there's some awesomely disgusting stuff on these models. The pictures on the GW site don't do them justice.
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Jun 16, 2020 12:36
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I got another overlord done!
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Jun 16, 2020 12:41
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I love the colouring on that blade, getting that sort of effect on my Grey Knight weapons is still a pain in the arse for me.
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Jun 16, 2020 12:57
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Deptfordx posted:Speaking of, I'm still going to be furloughed for the next couple of months minimum and I'm thinking about stripping and repainting my older models. I’ve always used Flash cleaner. Leave the minis in it for a day, then scrub them with an old toothbrush.
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Jun 16, 2020 13:05
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Kitchner posted:I love the colouring on that blade, getting that sort of effect on my Grey Knight weapons is still a pain in the arse for me. For what it's worth I spent almost as much time on the purple as the rest of the model combined. 
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ro5s posted:I’ve always used Flash cleaner. Leave the minis in it for a day, then scrub them with an old toothbrush. Good to know. I have a stash of Fairy Power Spray from before they changed the recipe, will need an alternative when I eventually run out.
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Jun 16, 2020 13:31
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I wanna try this pre-wash Grey Seer gimmick on a Primaris, see what it does to Power Armour - Wondering if I thin the Nuln sufficiently whether it'll not pool on the flat plates.
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Jun 16, 2020 13:36
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R0ckfish posted:For what it's worth I spent almost as much time on the purple as the rest of the model combined. I'd have preferred it if you told me there was one weird old trick you used to do it in five minutes that you could have shared with me!
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Jun 16, 2020 14:01
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Kitchner posted:I'd have preferred it if you told me there was one weird old trick you used to do it in five minutes that you could have shared with me! R0ckfish is chained up in a basement and only gets protein slurry when he posts well painted minis.
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Jun 16, 2020 14:09
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“It puts the shade in the recess or it gets the hose again.”
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Jun 16, 2020 14:20
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NGL this Contrast guide is making me wanna paint some Necrons
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Jun 16, 2020 14:21
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Shockeh posted:I wanna try this pre-wash Grey Seer gimmick on a Primaris, see what it does to Power Armour - Wondering if I thin the Nuln sufficiently whether it'll not pool on the flat plates. Hm, tempted to the same. Although I might do it on a Chaos marine as I only have Blue and Black contrast paints so far. Although I do need to paint a Black Templar at some point. (If I could really need a Primaris chainsword for that.)
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Jun 16, 2020 14:27
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xtothez posted:NGL this Contrast guide is making me wanna paint some Necrons I've always done this but just with a glaze. Works great. Glazes are awesome.
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Jun 16, 2020 14:32
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xtothez posted:NGL this Contrast guide is making me wanna paint some Necrons I like to do this same trick but with nihilakh oxide or a glaze like gulliman blue or blood drinker (I think that's the name of it, the red one)
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Jun 16, 2020 14:35
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https://www.warhammer-community.com...-unitfocusJUN16 Article on bikes up. Just posting it, don't bother reading it because it doesn't say anything new or useful.
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Jun 16, 2020 14:43
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That is weird. Not even a stat-line.
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Jun 16, 2020 14:45
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So Rough Riders have gone to the Emperor's Happy Hunting Ground and back through that veil they shall passeth not but does anyone know if the DKoK Death Riders are going to be likewise removed?
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Jun 16, 2020 14:52
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Gunder posted:That is weird. Not even a stat-line. Going by the WarCom twitter there is supposed to be stats but a servitor must've messed up somewhere. Edit: Now there's stats: 
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Jun 16, 2020 14:55
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Goddamn, 14 inch move and 4 wounds? Nice
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Jun 16, 2020 15:06
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jng2058 posted:Hard to say, because with 9th right around the corner, we don't know all the new rules, and while we know that points are going up across the board, we don't know by how much on a per unit basis. So that army will definitely be out of date once 9th hits, but by how many points? Who knows? Thanks for the advice. Yeah I guess I should have said I want to test out the new stuff cause they look cool but you're right about the robots, I just only have two right now. I was gonna keep the dune crawlers together for the bonus. The biggest thing was my troop selection, it's either decent models with low model count or crappy models with high model count. My friend and I haven't been playing with cards yet so mobility isn't super super important yet
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xtothez posted:NGL this Contrast guide is making me wanna paint some Necrons God this looks so simple after Rubric Marines, I may have picked a bad army to start learning to paint with but they look fun to play.
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Cooked Auto posted:Going by the WarCom twitter there is supposed to be stats but a servitor must've messed up somewhere. It's just what I figured (essentially a bike's stats, doubled wounds) however it's still good depending on how much more will it cost. If it's twice the cost of normal bikers, I don't think it'll be worth it on the extra wounds alone.
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Spudd posted:God this looks so simple after Rubric Marines, I may have picked a bad army to start learning to paint with but they look fun to play. They're a great army to play and paint. Don't sweat it too much. Rubrics are probably a great first army to paint as well since they're pretty big, have lots of raised bits and detail. You'll learn a lot more! You can also afford to spend a bit more time on them since they're pretty elite, which is a big help when learning.
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Giant Ethicist posted:Thanks! Gray Seer, but the pre-shade wash* and white drybrush covers it up pretty heavily, so in practice I could probably use basically any light-colored undercoat. Thanks dude, this is awesome! Gonna try out a few variations ah what I have and see what works best.
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Giant Ethicist posted:Thanks! Gray Seer, but the pre-shade wash* and white drybrush covers it up pretty heavily, so in practice I could probably use basically any light-colored undercoat. Awesome, I've got some guard to paint, going to try this out for them.
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Schadenboner posted:So Rough Riders have gone to the Emperor's Happy Hunting Ground and back through that veil they shall passeth not but does anyone know if the DKoK Death Riders are going to be likewise removed? I don't think anyone really knows what is going to happen to DKoK at all honestly.
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I guess we'll sort of find out when FW reopens the store tomorrow. Edit: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/06/16/faction-focus-space-marines/ Faction focus for Marines sees the Thunderfire Cannon being declared good (again?). Cooked Auto fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Jun 16, 2020 |
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Cooked Auto posted:I guess we'll sort of find out when FW reopens the store tomorrow. Thunderfires have been good since the new codex last summer. There's a reason they were in nearly every competitive Marine list for the last year. The fact that they can now move and shoot without penalty and can benefit from the new Blasts rule, just makes them even more of an auto-include... unless the point cost had gone through the roof or something.
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jng2058 posted:Thunderfires have been good since the new codex last summer. There's a reason they were in nearly every competitive Marine list for the last year. The fact that they can now move and shoot without penalty and can benefit from the new Blasts rule, just makes them even more of an auto-include... unless the point cost had gone through the roof or something. A buddy of mine went through some epic eBay adventures to get a couple and now strongly suspects plastic versions are around the corner.
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JackMann posted:Crosspost from the mini painting thread: So, between here and various other places I asked the question, it seems most people prefer the right blue and yellow, with a fairly even split on the gold. The right was all done with contrast. The blue is Tallasar blue over Vallejo chrome, the gold is Nazdreg Yellow over the same, and the yellow is Iyanden yellow over grey seer. The left was done with traditional paints. The blue is Thousand Sons blue, washed with Drakenhof Nightshade and highlighted with Ahriman Blue. The gold is done with Scale75's Metal and Alchemy gold set. The yellow is S75 Sol Yellow washed with Seraphim Sepia. I'll definitely continue with the contrast methods for the blue and the yellow. I'll have to think on the gold.
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