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CommieGIR posted:LMAO, the guy was trying to vaporize Uranium? What the gently caress is wrong with him? From the followup thread, several different cancers
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luxury handset posted:there's a LOT of goofy flying car/personal flight poo poo in the startup aerospace world, which is why it's so funny to me that in a desperate bid to maintain their absurdly high valuation Uber of all companies is also playing in this space I worked with a company that tried to be one of the first one of these to get FAA/Transport Canada/EASA approvals. Basically - at that point (Early 2019) there were exactly 0 regulations written about drones over 20kg for civilian use. Here's the thing about those drones that's different from airplanes and even helicopters: If the latter lose power, they drift/autorotate. With drones? It just loving plummets to the loving ground. splat. Parachutes are only good after you hit a ceiling of like 500ft. There's a 10-499ft death zone. My boss tried to pitch to transport canada to put rockets on the outside to counter the dropping velocity and I'm surprised they didn't walk out right then and there. It's nothing tech and will never amount to anything but a VC cash sink.
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My favorite part of the Uber electric drone helicopter thing is when they show the direct flight path that only takes 15 minutes to get from downtown SF to downtown SJ! By blowing right through the center of SFO's class B arrival corridor!
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Sagebrush posted:My favorite part of the Uber electric drone helicopter thing is when they show the direct flight path that only takes 15 minutes to get from downtown SF to downtown SJ! What are regulations? I'm just an app developer, I don't need to know any of that.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Mine got canceled as well. Same, just got the email this morning dammit.
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Sagebrush posted:My favorite part of the Uber electric drone helicopter thing is when they show the direct flight path that only takes 15 minutes to get from downtown SF to downtown SJ! DiSrUpTiOn....
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If Tesla's camera can't pick up white or differentiate between truck nuts and pylons - there's no loving way I'm going to trust a drone to navigate safely through power lines and forrests.
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I'd trust that it definitely would try to navigate through power lines and forests.
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Muscle Wizard posted:lmao holy poo poo. all the loving morons defending this guys right to generate 50+ roentgens of radiation from his garage. Lol also for reference that's a quarter of the scale for the CDV-742 dosimeter. That's a dosimeter that's meant to be issued to Civil Defense volunteer search and rescue teams and 200 rads represented the maximum allowable dose before they have to stop doing SAR. I know this because I have a CDV-742 sitting on my desk as a cool memento, and as soon as I have a little free time I'm going to build the charger so I can re-charge the crystal in it and get the needle back onto the scale.
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Slotducks posted:It's nothing tech and will never amount to anything but a VC cash sink. even better, it's investor storytime this flying car product doesn't need to actually exist or be built. its only purpose is to convince investors that uber is trying to justify its massive, absurd valuation. it's the same deal as the autonomous car project - where it makes complete sense for car manufactuers to work on driver assist products, and it makes sense for alphabet to have a test platform to ensure the google maps product can be used as on-board navigation as a third party service for future non-alphabet autonomous cars, the only reason uber is doing it is to try to substantiate this fantasy of fleets of driverless taxis. never mind that the driverless taxi thing doesn't really fit into uber's business model (currently all car maintenance/upkeep is foisted off onto the "contractor" driver/owner), but this kind of thing is necessary so uber can pretend that it has some path to future profitability when without this empty promise they'd have nothing to demonstrate the company is sustainable as is the flying car also being autonomous is additive to this other lie "so you're making flying cars?" "yeah, sure. we can do that. we're a mobility company" "will the flying car also be autonomous?" "uh, yeah. why not. absolutely. automation is the future. so, can i put you down for a $50 million stake?"
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The closest thing I say to anyone near me who is remotely interested or fooled by it is it's the amphibious car 2.0 - just with VC / tech bro money behind it.
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Sex Skeleton posted:I know this because I have a CDV-742 sitting on my desk as a cool memento, and as soon as I have a little free time I'm going to build the charger so I can re-charge the crystal in it and get the needle back onto the scale. You don't need a charger for that, just a couple of volunteer craigslist bros
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Slotducks posted:The closest thing I say to anyone near me who is remotely interested or fooled by it is it's the amphibious car 2.0 - just with VC / tech bro money behind it. the horrifying reality of self driving cars is that twenty years from now you'll still be stuck in traffic except you'll get popup notifications on your windshield from your insurance company warning you that paying attention to the road is mandatory per manufacturer terms of use of the lanekeeping feature
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Lemon posted:I was woken up by my carbon monoxide alarm in the middle of the night a couple of years ago. In my half-asleep state I went right over to peer at it in confusion before realising I should probably not be in the room with the boiler. My friend's CO detector started beeping, he couldn't find out why. Then a few hours later, his other detectors started beeping and he still didn't know why. So he went to bed with his windows open. Turned out that they beep at their end of life and since they were all installed at the same time...
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luxury handset posted:the horrifying reality of self driving cars is that twenty years from now you'll still be stuck in traffic except you'll get popup notifications on your windshield from your insurance company warning you that paying attention to the road is mandatory per manufacturer terms of use of the lanekeeping feature Everyone loves to think that self driving cars is going to be this amazing traffic alleviation - but capitalism is going to demand that it will be tiered. The notion of one seamless blob of traffic all communicating and all working together completely goes out the window with the new FordPass Premium that gets you there 40% faster guaranteed (they'll all be like standard, standard plus, extreme, ultra, premium, platinum tiers)
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Gotta love the brain smoothness it takes to think “there may be a carbon monoxide problem, but I’m just so sleepy. I’ll deal with it later”
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Fanged Lawn Wormy posted:Gotta love the brain smoothness it takes to think “there may be a carbon monoxide problem, but I’m just so sleepy. I’ll deal with it later” Well, hypoxia will make you loopy, so yeah.
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haveblue posted:From the followup thread, several different cancers Link to the follow-up thread?
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Slotducks posted:Everyone loves to think that self driving cars is going to be this amazing traffic alleviation - but capitalism is going to demand that it will be tiered. The notion of one seamless blob of traffic all communicating and all working together completely goes out the window with the new FordPass Premium that gets you there 40% faster guaranteed (they'll all be like standard, standard plus, extreme, ultra, premium, platinum tiers) Or, you know, just the fact that the technology is effectively impossible without the invention of strong AI. But, you know, the latest Jim Sterling rant about capitalism in the video games industry is applicable to literally everything ever, real or imagined.
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traffic congestion is an economic/social problem which cannot be resolved by any technological solution. the only effective remedy to congestion is an inefficient overallocation of transportation infrastructure (aka north korean highways) people desperately want there to be a technological solution because sitting in traffic sucks real hard, and sitting in traffic is the price we pay for having things like suburbs and decades of underinvestment in mass transit. that technological solution will never come, but there's plenty of companies out there that are willing to exploit people's desire to not be in traffic. this is the entire foundation of elon musk's bizarre tunneling scheme fleets of cars all flocking around to avoid traffic congestion is not only impossible on a technical level, fundamentally flawed due to exceptions such as emergency/maintenance/non-automated vehicles on the roads, but even then it would simply allow for more trips to be packed into the same infrastructure such that soon enough traffic jams exist again. if urban populations continue to grow due to the contemporary economy favoring urbanization then each incremental technical increase leading to an increase in roadway capacity will soon be overwhelmed with demand, which has been the entire trend of automobile-based transportation in the century that it has existed Mr. Fall Down Terror fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Jun 16, 2020 |
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Slotducks posted:Everyone loves to think that self driving cars is going to be this amazing traffic alleviation - but capitalism is going to demand that it will be tiered.
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Both me and my wide have been telecommuting for the last three months and goddamn it’s loving wonderful.
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So when was it determined that mass self driving cars are impossible with current technology? Genuinely curious.
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luxury handset posted:traffic congestion is an economic/social problem which cannot be resolved by any technological solution. the only effective remedy to congestion is an inefficient overallocation of transportation infrastructure (aka north korean highways) Sounds right. The world should move to staggered schedules, have things like banks be open after people get off work, instead of you have to take off work to do essential tasks...but since most people would not put up with working evening shifts it won't happen. Or 4 day work weeks split so that certain elements work through the weekend and overlap on thursday (i've worked for years in hospitals and you get a lot of weird schedules because most aspects of hospitals don't just stop running on weekends). Also, of course, having trains would help a lot, but since this is america, it ain't happening in most places.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Both me and my wide have been telecommuting for the last three months and goddamn it’s loving wonderful. Nice Freudian slip.
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McGavin posted:Nice Freudian slip. 
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Eschatos posted:So when was it determined that mass self driving cars are impossible with current technology? Genuinely curious. The number of issues is practically uncountable: insufficiently advanced AI to drive safer than humans, the need to build the massive network of self-driving vehicles from scratch (including building all of the cars and getting them into everyone's garages), what to do with non-self-driving cars that everyone has and is going to be hesitant to give up, etc. The first hurdle is the one that makes all the others impossible to surmount until it's done. Right now the technology to make an affordable self-driving car (especially one that isn't visibly covered in ugly sensors to read everything) reliable on normal roads just isn't there yet.
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Eschatos posted:So when was it determined that mass self driving cars are impossible with current technology? Genuinely curious. there's a difference between individual autonomous cars and autonomous cars which behave collectively, in a flock a car with a robot inside that makes decisions on its own is reasonably doable. there's still a lot of problems to work out but the technology for nearly-always full automation is maybe a decade or two away, depending. there's a chance it could not happen due to some serious problem that can't be overcome but we can see a clear path towards it cars moving in groups and communicating with each other as to their route and intention is a different and way more difficult problem. you'd need basically a full on sentient traffic AI to handle all this as the demands and communication difficulties of a bunch of cars from different manufacturers all chirping away at each other is iirc computationally impossible right now for reasons i've forgotten. it slots nicely into the highway of the future dreams though which are a decades old part of the american vision of how roads will work, someday, so it's a nearly unquestioned assumption that can be appealed to when you're hitting up investors for money
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Eschatos posted:So when was it determined that mass self driving cars are impossible with current technology? Genuinely curious. Somewhere between the deployment of Muskaroonie's firetruck destroying technology and the application of moderate critical thinking.
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The real tech that will disrupt traffic is one that automatically cleans the piss and puke out of buses and trains and robo taxis while also convincing middle class people that public transit is convenient and good. I wish there was a public transit option that could take me to the mall or to the major city I live near, but rich people are afraid that criminals will take the bus up here, steal their TVs and then take the TV on the bus back to their crime dens. Because criminals can't afford cars.
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Ornamental Dingbat posted:Topical crosspost: Pretty, pretty, pretty good.
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Blindeye posted:Link to the follow-up thread? drgitlin posted:The last thing I remember about him was this thread where he said he was suffering from testicular and skin cancers: https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1118045&start=40
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Before anyone gets excited about automated drones and cars let's wait until the trains are more widely automated. They are enveloped very neatly into something a digital system can control the driver if not the router and they still don't see wide adoption for admin and centralization issues like: Piss poor preventative maintenance culture (you lose that whole predictable envelope if your equipment can break at any moment) Strange staffing requirements - worst of all world's when human train drivers become part time specialists for exception driving Multiple custodians with varying stakes in the utilized equipment and infrastructure need to agree across the board on a scheme You can solve the tech and still be 20 years out from a real implementation of trains are anything to go by.
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zedprime posted:Before anyone gets excited about automated drones and cars let's wait until the trains are more widely automated. They are enveloped very neatly into something a digital system can control the driver if not the router and they still don't see wide adoption for admin and centralization issues like: yeah, trains can be and often are automated but even automatic-capable subways are frequently still driven by humans for all kinds of organizational, social, technical, economic reasons that exist outside of the technology there's this idea that "technology invented = problem solved" which never really shakes out because how people use a technology is often more important than the technology being created, produced at scale, and then put in everyone's hands. the internet was supposed to make us all smarter, right? turns out having endless information at your fingertips is useless if you're not good at sorting valid information from invalid information
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Eschatos posted:So when was it determined that mass self driving cars are impossible with current technology? Genuinely curious. im the self driving car that thinks driving on a winding cliffside highway constitutes lane departure so it corrects its course straight into a sheer drop
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Eschatos posted:So when was it determined that mass self driving cars are impossible with current technology? Genuinely curious. When a whole lot of extremely rich cutting edge tech corporations spent years failing to make them, op
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drgitlin posted:The last thing I remember about him was this thread where he said he was suffering from testicular and skin cancers: https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=1118045&start=40 Did anyone tell him that playing with radiation takes balls?
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The White Dragon posted:im the self driving car that thinks driving on a winding cliffside highway constitutes lane departure so it corrects its course straight into a sheer drop I've had my mom's Honda's lane keep assist system misunderstand bands of shadows on the road as the lanes shifting and try to steer me into the other lane/curb/side of an underpass. She had a rental Subaru that would do weird inputs when going around turns on the interstate, felt like it was trying to turn before the bend started. I had a rental Kia go nuts when it hit a wall of rain on the interstate (which was the perfect time to try and figure out how to turn off the system on a car that I hadn't driven before).
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Uthor posted:I've had my mom's Honda's lane keep assist system misunderstand bands of shadows on the road as the lanes shifting and try to steer me into the other lane/curb/side of an underpass. She had a rental Subaru that would do weird inputs when going around turns on the interstate, felt like it was trying to turn before the bend started. I had a rental Kia go nuts when it hit a wall of rain on the interstate (which was the perfect time to try and figure out how to turn off the system on a car that I hadn't driven before). I don't trust these drat robot cars  Actually, i've long assumed these car companies, who can't even keep airbags from being overtly lethal, wouldn't figure out totally automated driving anytime soon. When car services started using it in some cities it made no sense to me, it's so unproven, and low and behold a lot of it sucks at even minor assistance levels of control.
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