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Xelkelvos posted:I got accepted for a GS-5 IRS position that had closed up in May with intent for a June hiring. I still haven't have my background check completed after 3(?) weeks. Meanwhile, Ft. Hamilton picked me up as a GS-7 Engineer in their own ladder position and it requires a Secret Clearance. How long does a Secret Clearance background check normally take? I may have to move back in with my parents while I wait for it to complete. I think Secret is averaging around 8 months based on what ClearanceJobs.com is reporting. It could go much faster or slower depending on your individual circumstance and other hidden administrative factors. If you get an interim, then you can start work pretty much right away while you wait for your full clearance. My recommendation is to just take the GS-5 job and accept the GS-7 TO. You can leave your GS-5 job when you get the FO and EOD.
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Word is we’re all getting our furlough letters next week. Call your reps and ask them to fund USCIS.
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Beerdeer posted:Word is we’re all getting our furlough letters next week. Call your reps and ask them to fund USCIS. I heard a rumor that it may be delayed up to a pay period because of problems with getting payroll data to calculate the retention registers. Which would mean we'd be getting our furlough notices the day before the holiday weekend. LOL.
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Beerdeer posted:Word is we’re all getting our furlough letters next week. Call your reps and ask them to fund USCIS.
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Dr. Quarex posted:Obviously I hope for a good outcome here, but I feel like the best-case scenario is this swings another 500 or so votes from furloughed USCIS people in Missouri against Republicans Weird to root against Social Security like that, but OK.
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Am I allowed to post this kind of thing in this thread? Let me know if it's not kosher, and I'll delete it. Click here to email your representatives about the USCIS furlough. (Do not use your .gov email, obviously.) https://actionnetwork.org/letters/tell-congress-to-halt-uscis-furloughs?source=email&
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Beerdeer posted:Word is we’re all getting our furlough letters next week. Call your reps and ask them to fund USCIS. Christ, this is some foul poo poo. Are you guys at least getting back pay from this nonsense?
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Delorence Fickle posted:Christ, this is some foul poo poo. Are you guys at least getting back pay from this nonsense? Probably not! This is an administrative furlough instead of a lapse is appropriations. So the rules are a bit different. We'll only get back pay if it's in a bill, which I think is really unlikely.
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so, i'm sitting around on the weekend realizing that wait, nobody ever called me, i don't have to go in until that happens guess what i got 30 minutes ago?  notice so short it's underground
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Jun 15, 2020 15:52
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TheMadMilkman posted:I thought they had to give you 4 hours to report. i mean, it's possible i might have had up to 4 hours to report in after i got the call, but my regular tod is 8-4:30 and i got called to report in around 9:30. my manager didn't state a time so i didn't exactly rush though; is that 4 hour timeframe in the handbook somewhere? if so i should look that up for future reference
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Certainly the 4-hour report thing was always given at USCIS as the reason Teleworkers had to live within a 4-hour drive of our office. Well, anyone would, I suppose, but only Teleworkers seem likely to make the otherwise inexplicable choice. It was also cited when I was doing a virtual detail as the maximum distance I could be from a USCIS office even though I was no longer subject to home inspection or being called in to an office, as if something went wrong with my work laptop I needed to be able to bring it to be fixed at a USCIS office in that same 4-hour period. Related, my boss was fond of reminding me that there is no allowance in the 4-hour requirement for what you happen to be doing at the time, so the handful of people who lived like 3:45ish from the office were virtually guaranteed to end up in violation if ever actually called in. If you get called in to work at an unexpected time, are you really going to definitely be at home, and also have all your files in order to bring in (as you would be penalized for coming in without marking all your files as "in transit")
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:i mean, it's possible i might have had up to 4 hours to report in after i got the call, but my regular tod is 8-4:30 and i got called to report in around 9:30. my manager didn't state a time so i didn't exactly rush though; is that 4 hour timeframe in the handbook somewhere? if so i should look that up for future reference I'm poking around and haven't found a definitive answer. The 4 hour rule absolutely applies to furloughs, but I don't know what the rules are for leave with pay. Were you on leave or teleworking?
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TheMadMilkman posted:I'm poking around and haven't found a definitive answer. The 4 hour rule absolutely applies to furloughs, but I don't know what the rules are for leave with pay. Were you on leave or teleworking? weather and safety leave
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My understanding is weather and safety leave is paid. Is that accurate? edit: yes, and wow, thanks Obama- it's very recent.
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:weather and safety leave I have some time tomorrow, so I’ll look into this.
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Any SSA peeps in the know about when we will have to return to our offices? We get cryptic answers from our manager and that email from the Commissioner made it seem soon. I"m enjoying working from home and hope we can continue at least part time with it.
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I have detected a new trend in USAJobs hiring, which I assume is driven by what I also assume to be an overabundance of applicants these days; I have been repeatedly rejected from jobs on the basis of not qualifying, despite them having "[experience needed that Dr. Quarex debatably has] OR [a generic master's degree]" as requirements. Every time I ask about this, I am told that my degree is not in a field related to the job. Well, uh, there is text for that, it goes like "must be in [field name] or similar" or "must include [x] number of hours in [these fields];" I see it all the time, and your job-description-creators did not use it. Weak.
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yessssss i am go for telework and have everything at home now  assuming everything functions anyway, but there's only so much i can do about that lol
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Dr. Quarex posted:I have detected a new trend in USAJobs hiring, which I assume is driven by what I also assume to be an overabundance of applicants these days; I have been repeatedly rejected from jobs on the basis of not qualifying, despite them having "[experience needed that Dr. Quarex debatably has] OR [a generic master's degree]" as requirements. Every time I ask about this, I am told that my degree is not in a field related to the job. Well, uh, there is text for that, it goes like "must be in [field name] or similar" or "must include [x] number of hours in [these fields];" I see it all the time, and your job-description-creators did not use it. Weak. COVID = more people applying for the safety of gov jobs => feds can be more selective.
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Nutella posted:Any SSA peeps in the know about when we will have to return to our offices? We get cryptic answers from our manager and that email from the Commissioner made it seem soon. I"m enjoying working from home and hope we can continue at least part time with it. I think it might be up to the different Regional Commissioners, which would make sense given the way the situation is so different around the country. According to my boss, it's been a topic of discussion in our region but doesn't sound like it will be in the near future. Headquarters is being very tight lipped though.
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Discendo Vox posted:My understanding is weather and safety leave is paid. Is that accurate? It was part of the Administrative Leave Act in 2016, which actually was meant to cut down on paid admin leave by splitting it into defined categories and putting strict limits on some of them. We used to see people on admin leave for months sometimes while we were doing investigations or proposing adverse actions against them (because management didn't want them coming to the office but would still take forever to go through the discipline process), and Congress wanted to cut that out.
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Schlitzkrieg Bop posted:It was part of the Administrative Leave Act in 2016, which actually was meant to cut down on paid admin leave by splitting it into defined categories and putting strict limits on some of them. We used to see people on admin leave for months sometimes while we were doing investigations or proposing adverse actions against them (because management didn't want them coming to the office but would still take forever to go through the discipline process), and Congress wanted to cut that out. Thanks for the correction; seems reasonable, given how it's applied.
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Schlitzkrieg Bop posted:It was part of the Administrative Leave Act in 2016, which actually was meant to cut down on paid admin leave by splitting it into defined categories and putting strict limits on some of them. We used to see people on admin leave for months sometimes while we were doing investigations or proposing adverse actions against them (because management didn't want them coming to the office but would still take forever to go through the discipline process), and Congress wanted to cut that out. Please don't go into inappropriate detail, but what sorts of offenses took months to resolve?
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Midjack posted:Please don't go into inappropriate detail, but what sorts of offenses took months to resolve? Some people are actually so incompetent you'd rather just pay them to not be there
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Midjack posted:Please don't go into inappropriate detail, but what sorts of offenses took months to resolve? Most of the cases I've seen in my limited experience involve management dragging their feet--going days or weeks in between steps in an investigation, waiting for the whole management chain to be on board, getting HR and OGC to sign off on a proposal or decision letter, etc. The biggest delays I've seen usually involve waiting on multiple processes to play out. Like if OIG or law enforcement are also involved, management usually waits until after that happens to take an action. I saw one case like that where a guy was on admin leave for over a year. That's almost never actually necessary, and after the changes to admin leave, you'd basically have to get Congressional approval to keep someone on leave for more than 90 days (I think).
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Midjack posted:Please don't go into inappropriate detail, but what sorts of offenses took months to resolve? We had a person who was found to be taking work trips overseas, where he had an extramarital affair, and wasn't actually doing anything and making up his reports. Needless to say, management didn't want him around while the investigation was ongoing, so he was put on administrative leave during the investigation (which ended in him getting fired) and appeal (which he won and was reinstated due to a technicality). The whole process took over a year.
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Endless Mike posted:We had a person who was found to be taking work trips overseas, where he had an extramarital affair, and wasn't actually doing anything and making up his reports. Needless to say, management didn't want him around while the investigation was ongoing, so he was put on administrative leave during the investigation (which ended in him getting fired) and appeal (which he won and was reinstated due to a technicality). The whole process took over a year.
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Josh Lyman posted:What happens when people get reinstated like that? Why would you go back to work where nobody likes you? Because you don't have a trust fund and need to make rent? Economic pressure is real for most people, and few are privileged enough to have employers offering comparable security and benefits clamoring to employ them.
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Loucks posted:Because you don't have a trust fund and need to make rent? Economic pressure is real for most people, and few are privileged enough to have employers offering comparable security and benefits clamoring to employ them.
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Josh Lyman posted:He was unemployed during the appeals process though. Did he get backpay for that period? Management already dislikes you, so what's to say they won't fire you again? It just seems like forcing yourself into a hostile work situation is asking for trouble. If he didn't have any other options then I understand, but a mid-career government employee should have decent options. The point of the story is that he was on admin leave that whole time. He was getting paid to stay at home and wait for the investigation, and then the appeal, to play out.
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Josh Lyman posted:What happens when people get reinstated like that? Why would you go back to work where nobody likes you? Like, he's outlasted almost the entire management team that was around during that time.
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thatguy posted:Some people are actually so incompetent you'd rather just pay them to not be there Some people are so incompetent that they get promoted.
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a friend mentioned taking zoom calls and i'm like lol no way would anyone want to take zoom calls with working camera for this job, especially now. but this also put the image in my head of a taxpayer calling in and seeing me in my pjs which would make a priceless sketch if that hasn't already been done
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Delorence Fickle posted:Some people are so incompetent that they get promoted. Also, administrativeleavechat: my favorite side story from my time in the government was in my first week, with my group of 15 newbies preparing to go to Texas for training. Thursday morning, the whole employee services team came in and told one of our people that they needed to talk to him. None of us ever saw him again. The only thing we ever heard, from the most-willing-to-talk-off-the-record supervisor, was that the guy was on administrative leave for many months, and the supervisor was not sure whether the employee was fired without really starting the job or gave up waiting and quit. We certainly think it had to be a clearance issue, though.
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:a friend mentioned taking zoom calls and i'm like lol no way would anyone want to take zoom calls with working camera for this job, especially now. but this also put the image in my head of a taxpayer calling in and seeing me in my pjs which would make a priceless sketch if that hasn't already been done Lol, I've already had kids come screaming at me with taxpayers on the line.
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Huh, this is an interesting USCIS story... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8443997/Immigration-official-suspended-telling-black-girl-home-didnt-deserve-there.html
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Terror Ninja posted:Huh, this is an interesting USCIS story... quote:'OK, but you're coming at 15-year-olds,' the girl holding the cellphone said. I don’t always choose to drop sick nasty burns on teenage girls by citing the legal age of marriage in surrounding states, but when I do I get them correct.
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