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Chadzok posted:I've tried this line of argument and it doesn't work. My gf is still yelling at me to get a job 
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When does this kick in? For any future class you take, or just for people signing up to new degrees entirely? Because I'm in my third year but am considering deferring a lot of classes (well, I'm basically going to have to defer my placement) because of COVID.
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Jun 19, 2020 02:42
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If you're interested in this look up "Bullshit Jobs" by David Graeber. actually I'll look it up for you: https://www.strike.coop/bullshit-jobs/ His book "Debt: The First 5000 years" is also excellent
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freebooter posted:When does this kick in? For any future class you take, or just for people signing up to new degrees entirely? Because I'm in my third year but am considering deferring a lot of classes (well, I'm basically going to have to defer my placement) because of COVID. Currently enrolled degrees have grandfathered fee structures. (although if fees are going down you will be allowed to take advantage of that). The increase only applies to degrees started from the new year afaik.
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Jun 19, 2020 02:43
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OK good. Well, good for me, still gently caress this
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Jun 19, 2020 02:44
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Another really cool move by a class of politicians whose tertiary education was likely free.
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Jun 19, 2020 03:00
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Cartoon posted:I pointed out, at the time, that generally someone in a technical area has some idea of a 'ballpark'. This would not have passed any number of sniff tests. When you are collating this data to do a total in excel it would have taken 10 seconds to add a column for the ratio of payout to revenue. Given the form would have at least asked for their annual revenue to 1 significant figure, people putting 1500x their employee count would have raised a bit of a red flag that the payout was gonna be 100000% of their revenue Doing that check would have been just as hard as coming to the total number, unless the total was calculated by someone flicking through paper forms with a calculator.
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Jun 19, 2020 03:06
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Yeah this is going to gently caress the GO8 harder than COVID. And I'd remind you that the government did nothing about the COVID-loving either. This is the opposite of the solution that higher education needs.
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Jun 19, 2020 03:20
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so are the gov going to up the non-student contribution part of tuition funding for the subject areas with much lower student contribution amounts?
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Jun 19, 2020 03:30
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Also Covid was a get out of jail free card for the disaster that was the bushfire responce a few months ago now. Not years, months
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Jun 19, 2020 03:31
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Laserface posted:the ones we are seeing are predominantly office 365 phishing sites with the URL claiming to be an unpaid invoice or some other call to action. Yeah it's always the same "verify your account" phishing link, signed by professor student name.
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Jun 19, 2020 03:32
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This is about culture but not only that. The liberal party and their members are made up of people who are convinced that the humanities is largely a waste of time, for taxpayers and students. A luxury borne by economic boom times which are soon coming to an end. In their minds, this is their chance to rectify that. To rationalize tertiary education and build a bulwark of vocational skills to navigate the coming economic storm.
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Jun 19, 2020 03:38
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Stevefin posted:Also Covid was a get out of jail free card for the disaster that was the bushfire responce a few months ago now. imagine if we had covid and bushfire ash at the same time you cant breathe outside AND what you breathe is going to gently caress your lungs
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Jun 19, 2020 03:43
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norp posted:When you are collating this data to do a total in excel it would have taken 10 seconds to add a column for the ratio of payout to revenue. financial literacy and numeracy is very limited in the public service, and these things do not go through much if any quality assurance. by coincidence, the estimated cost of the program was off by exactly the same amount as the error introduced by mistakes in filling out the forms (ie $60 billion). what most likely happened is that executives saw that the estimated cost was exactly the same as the "actual" cost, patted themselves on the back for being so good at estimating costs, and nobody bothered to actually look at the spreadsheet to realise that the "actual" cost was $60 billion more than it should have been.
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Jun 19, 2020 03:51
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Lid posted:Morrison made some simultaneously specific but very vague announcement that Australia is under a months long sustained state-based cyberattack. It's either China or Russia but they won't say. It's China, they just can't say it's China because attribution is difficult. (It's China, though.) The whole thing is just a big presser/push for the ACSC. Which like, good, I guess, more people should patch their poo poo and be conscious of cybersecurity but this isn't really news so much as a cybersecurity puff piece.
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Jun 19, 2020 03:53
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Lid posted:imagine if we had covid and bushfire ash at the same time give it time. About 8 months, specifically
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Jun 19, 2020 04:19
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Amethyst posted:Fifteen THOUSAND dollars per year for an arts degree. I love that someone clearly thinks it's possible to learn a language without learning about the society and culture that actually uses that language. Which is also at odds with the aim of the New Columbo Plan scholarships, which are designed to give undergrads the opportunity to go overseas and learn about the Indo-pacific region.
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Jun 19, 2020 05:41
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https://twitter.com/MehreenFaruqi/status/1273833978575740928
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Jun 19, 2020 06:32
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But guys, minimum wage has increased by an entire $13 a week for full time workers! Why, with that sort of money people will be paying back their uni debts in no time.
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Jun 19, 2020 06:36
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Amethyst posted:Fifteen THOUSAND dollars per year for an arts degree. At least there will be less law and business grads
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Jun 19, 2020 06:38
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Why can't the world be as pure as Burgo's twitter feed
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Jun 19, 2020 07:10
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Scylo posted:I love that someone clearly thinks it's possible to learn a language without learning about the society and culture that actually uses that language. Which is also at odds with the aim of the New Columbo Plan scholarships, which are designed to give undergrads the opportunity to go overseas and learn about the Indo-pacific region. When I did a dip.lang the courses included ones about the society and cultures that used that language, so that's less of a concern to me than just...loading up whole bunch more people with student debt. I don't think the extra HECS will actually be the deterrent they think it is.
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Jun 19, 2020 07:55
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I’m fine with less lawyers, business and commerce graduates tbh
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Jun 19, 2020 07:58
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We need more people into trades. You won’t believe what a tiler quoted me the other day. We need more competition in trades to push wages down so I can pay people less.
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Jun 19, 2020 08:00
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Conversely, does this also mean that STEM degrees and any of the other ones that are decreasing will be funded less per student who signs up?
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The Before Times posted:When I did a dip.lang the courses included ones about the society and cultures that used that language, so that's less of a concern to me than just...loading up whole bunch more people with student debt. I don't think the extra HECS will actually be the deterrent they think it is. yep. it's quite unlikely i'll ever earn enough to have to pay the HECS back (fine arts...) so I can't say I really give a poo poo still bad of course, but doesn't change what I'm going to do
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Jun 19, 2020 08:07
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hambeet posted:We need more people into trades. You won’t believe what a tiler quoted me the other day. I remember a bit on Rove Live where Rove did pretending to be Howard with this exact sentiment back when that was a thing.
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Jun 19, 2020 08:10
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Like I am psure the effect of this will be to essentially rip funding out of the faculties with the new lower fees, which will mean unis will take even more money from Arts faculties than they already are to subsidise the cost of delivering the other degrees (and to fund research)
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Jun 19, 2020 08:11
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hambeet posted:We need more people into trades. You won’t believe what a tiler quoted me the other day. That's not really a joke it's just policy.
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Jun 19, 2020 08:15
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the biggest cost in delivering a law degree, for example, is the lecturers and tutors. same with many of the humanities degrees. but with a lot of STEM degrees there's equipment, lab and tech costs that mean it's more expensive to deliver. I remember the tutors/lecturers in my writing degree back in 2012 complaining that teaching hours and number of tutorials were reduced so that the uni could funnel more money into research, increase their rankings, and attract more international students. This move is just going to encourage more of that, isn't it??? unless there's something else I'm missing
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hambeet posted:We need more people into trades. You won’t believe what a tiler quoted me the other day. I used to work in a servo near an industrial area, I heard this a lot.
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Jun 19, 2020 08:22
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If the government actually wanted unemployment to go down they'd start hiring people Just look at a Centrelink that's over 50% empty desks (pre-corona)
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I was ranting to a mate/ex-colleague literally yesterday about the LNP war on access to tertiary education, what a coinkydinky Considering how much money I still owe on my HECS debt, I can't believe I was such an idiot and went to uni in Australia. I imagine a lot of the savvier kids with EU passports will be helping accelerate the australian brain drain in coming years by moving to europe to study for free/very cheap and then just never coming back
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Jun 19, 2020 08:47
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We need MORE money into the arts, not less!
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That's a lot of breasts.
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Assessor of Maat posted:yep. it's quite unlikely i'll ever earn enough to have to pay the HECS back (fine arts...) so I can't say I really give a poo poo I'm earning enough to star repaying mine, except I'll need to be earning around $80k a year just to cover the interest it accrues.
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I saw this strange take shared by some gronk on facebook So, like, do nothing I guess  This is coming from the same person who thought banning straws was the moral equivalent to Aktion T4 because of how the disabled were going to be disproportionately affected.
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Jun 19, 2020 09:57
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gay picnic defence posted:I saw this strange take shared by some gronk on facebook There is truth to it but also yeah just do loving nothing and let the taxpayer funded gunmen keep ruling the streets. Trust and authority is earned so give some new system a chance.
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She's not saying to do nothing, though. She's just pointing out that "just replace them with social workers" isn't a complete solution because social workers are a part of a system that still is systemically racist. If you want an example of this close to home, examine how many Aboriginal children are taken out of their homes by social workers. Stolen Generations poo poo is still going on, just look at NSW.
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CrazyTolradi posted:She's not saying to do nothing, though. She's just pointing out that "just replace them with social workers" isn't a complete solution because social workers are a part of a system that still is systemically racist. Yeah for the posts above saying “we’ll do nothing then” that’s the same argument chuds have to criticism of so many things It’s really reductive
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