TheDiceMustRoll posted:

A huge amount of complaints regarding star trek these days is that its not the correct canon, nerds are endlessly whining about it not being "real" trek. Tons of criticism around disco is due to the fact that it's a prime timeline show that looks nothing like any previous prime timeline show. And the spore drive. Spore drive is a great, fun concept and "what if, in star trek, we had this cool drive" is better without having to have stupid "also keep this secret for no reason" scenes.

CBS is all money-men, and they saw that in terms of money-make, the JJ films are the most money-make.

Doggles posted:

I just had a disturbing thought, you know how there's that Voyager episode about that species that procreates by modifying the dead of other races? What if instead of resurrecting Lyndsay Ballard they resurrected Prime Harry Kim and he came back to find Voyager living it up with Quantum Duplicate Harry Kim?

Doggles posted:

I just had a disturbing thought, you know how there's that Voyager episode about that species that procreates by modifying the dead of other races? What if instead of resurrecting Lyndsay Ballard they resurrected Prime Harry Kim and he came back to find Voyager living it up with Quantum Duplicate Harry Kim?

Zurui posted:

I believe there was a piece of music that they couldn't license for streaming and so they just replaced it with...that?

Tunicate posted:

you are now a STO writer, that happens

Mike the TV posted:

https://twitter.com/gfrobot/status/1273722605384560641?s=21

Animal-Mother posted:

What is this loving garbage? What is this dreck?

Animal-Mother posted:

What is this loving garbage? What is this dreck?

Animal-Mother posted:

What is this loving garbage? What is this dreck?

Animal-Mother posted:

What is this loving garbage? What is this dreck?

quote:

Garrett Wang: Yeah, there’s definitely a certain level of disconnect from the management, just like Robbie said. And it’s very indicative of… if you’re talking about Berman being the primary showrunner, Rick Berman. I’ve been very critical of him in the past. And I’m just going to say in this particular case, I’m not going to talk about his character or anything about that. I’m just going to say: In seven years, I saw him on the set twice, okay? Two times in seven years. And one of those times was to do an interview for Yahoo magazine, and he was standing in my station.

On Fridays, we would get catered dinner. And so the two actors that were released to go eat first were Neelix [Ethan Phillips] and myself. They set up this huge long picnic table right in front of the bridge. So I’m sitting with my back to the bridge and I see Berman doing this interview looking all smug and you know, “I’m the ruler of the universe” kind of confidence and I go, “Berman’s in MY station, why couldn’t he have been in Tuvok’s station? Why does he have to stand where I gotta stand?” And then while we’re eating, Ethan Phillips goes [in Ethan Phillips voice], “Um, are the steps supposed to be on fire?”

And I go, “WHAT?” I turn around, and to light Berman for the photo shoot one of the lights caught this really thin gauzy scrim that was right above the bridge. It caught it on fire. And literally I turned around in time to see Berman see the fire and run out of there. He made a sound and he ran. Billy Peets, the gaffer, he comes in and all the crew, we yelled for them to come in, and they came in and helped put the fire out. But the showrunner ran from the scene. Now you know how I feel. [laughs] It’s out there.

Well, you can’t fire me so I can say whatever I want to say, right? Robbie’s always good about trying to pull me back a little bit… I tell the truth.

Robbie McNeill: There were a lot of people running off that stage. I think I was outside when it happened, but I remember people pouring out, hysterical—lots of people. I think in those situations, the group panic sort of takes over.

Garrett Wang: But the group panic, Robbie, started with Berman. When the showrunner runs out screaming then everyone else was like, “Whoa, has the Tasmanian devil been released on the set? Are people being killed?” He set the tone. Right? The only people that didn’t run were Ethan and I. We were like, ‘Okay, so what do we have to do, we have to call somebody’ and we went to the little fire extinguisher thing on set. We didn’t run, we were still there.

I really feel that that that set would have been less damaged if Berman just handled it a little differently. I shake my head when I think about that day.

FlamingLiberal posted:

I haven't been watching as much TOS lately but I finished one more the other day

Patterns of Force (aka the Nazi episode)- One thing I've begun to notice about TOS is how many times Kirk/Spock keep getting captured while on some alien planet. They tend to not prepare very well for their missions and typically get captured almost immediately. I also found it odd that they introduce a plot device at the beginning of the subdermal transponders. When they both get captured, instead of actually using them to get back to the ship, Spock MacGuyvers his into some kind of laser to shoot the cell door lock. Alrighty then.

This is another Prime Directive episode, where some old Academy professor of Kirk's decided 'hey, you know how we can unite a warring planet? National Socialism!'. There is a very dumb comment at the end about how the professor somehow believed that a fascist state would be 'the most efficient'. I have seen some commentary on how even at the time this episode came out, it was a historical fact that the Nazi regime was notoriously corrupt and inefficient. I am also really trying to figure out how this guy thought he could do 'benign fascism'. Fascism requires an enemy and that is exactly what happened in this case like with the original Nazis.

TheDiceMustRoll posted:

There was a lot of fake news going around re: the nazis back then too. I wouldn't expect the American public education system to really have stepped up either.

In general that episode is just wild, with them placing all the blame on Melakon, the off-screen genocide, it's all garbage.

FlamingLiberal posted:

The implication of the episode overall is pretty bad, in that a UFP observer did a fascism on Ekos (but apparently the good kind?) and it was Melakon who used the new system to seize power from the old guy and prepared to do a genocide on the neighboring planet. It's pretty cringey to say the least.

Doggles posted:

I just had a disturbing thought, you know how there's that Voyager episode about that species that procreates by modifying the dead of other races? What if instead of resurrecting Lyndsay Ballard they resurrected Prime Harry Kim and he came back to find Voyager living it up with Quantum Duplicate Harry Kim?

Autism Sneaks posted:

Doggles posted:

I gotta tell you, having the ability to manifest your disturbing thoughts into the fabric of reality is a really lovely superpower.

Timeless Appeal posted:

Maaaaan... DS9 is very good and surprisingly progressive (Dax essentially being a trans pansexual character; Lots of criminal justice critiques), but it's really weird that Sisko has sex with someone under false pretenses which the show itself calls out as rape and we straight up skipped the episode when Quark becomes a lady and didn't recall it started with Quark trying to pressure an employee into sex.

Humerus posted:

I guess I'm late to the good episodes of TNG chat but I'm surprised nobody mentioned Parallels. It's at least as good as Cause and Effect.

Bad episode chat: Spock's Brain is not quite at the level of Alternative Factor but it's worse than the Nazi episode.

Humerus posted:

I guess I'm late to the good episodes of TNG chat but I'm surprised nobody mentioned Parallels.

Timeless Appeal posted:

Maaaaan... DS9 is very good and surprisingly progressive (Dax essentially being a trans pansexual character; Lots of criminal justice critiques), but it's really weird that Sisko has sex with someone under false pretenses which the show itself calls out as rape and we straight up skipped the episode when Quark becomes a lady and didn't recall it started with Quark trying to pressure an employee into sex.

Humerus posted:

I guess I'm late to the good episodes of TNG chat but I'm surprised nobody mentioned Parallels. It's at least as good as Cause and Effect.

Gully Foyle posted:

I think my favourite type of Star Trek episode is when there's something weird going on with space/time/reality etc (so things like Schisms, Parallels, Phantasms, Cause and Effect, Timescape, The Next Phase, etc). TNG does the creepy, light horror thing pretty well usually. Parallels is excellent at that.
I loved when you see Data mid-way through the episode and something just seems off, and then it hits "wait, why does he have blue eyes" just before the episode starts to really kick off. And the ending is so good -
"At this rate, the sector will be completely filled with Enterprises within three days."
"Captain, we're receiving 285,000 hails."

And of course crazy beard Riker.

F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

Me too. I call them mind-gently caress episodes and they're among my favorites.

It's a different episode, but one of my favorite scenes in all of TNG is Riker telling Picard to "shut up, as in stop talking". It's especially hilarious out of context.