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Apparently the strategy demon hybrid is what Atlus planned to make and Nintendo was like, no, make it a persona. Its the best of the Persona-formula games in my opinion but I really dont like the persona formula.
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How is Grandia II? Is it worth picking up if I missed out on it originally?
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Jun 22, 2020 01:54
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Tokyo Mirage Sessions is cheesy as gently caress but you know I'm 100% okay with that. Cheesy as gently caress is fine. Elderbean posted:How is Grandia II? Is it worth picking up if I missed out in it originally? It is a pretty fun combat system tied to a fairly generic story + the general aging of a Dreamcast-era game. It's not a bad JRPG at all and has a solid combat system but it isn't like "must rush out and play."
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Jun 22, 2020 01:55
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Elderbean posted:How is Grandia II? Is it worth picking up if I missed out in it originally? Its a completely solid JRPG with nothing particularly wrong with it and features one of the better twists in JRPGs that everyone remembers*. *Nobody remembers the follow-up twist thats like an hour later because seriously the first one is just that dope.
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Jun 22, 2020 02:06
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grandia 2 has a battle system so good they spun off a pretty bad dungeon crawler to take advantage of it. i still have a copy of grandia extreme kicking around somewhere i think
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Jun 22, 2020 02:12
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Barudak posted:Its a completely solid JRPG with nothing particularly wrong with it and features one of the better twists in JRPGs that everyone remembers*. Do you mean "Nobody expects the Granas Inquisition?"
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Jun 22, 2020 02:15
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I really wish they would rerelease skies of arcadia on modern consoles/steam.
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Jun 22, 2020 03:30
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Barudak posted:Apparently the strategy demon hybrid is what Atlus planned to make and Nintendo was like, no, make it a persona. Apparently they were all set to make a crossover game and Nintendo said "wait, this is just Fire Emblem with SMT characters. WE could make that. Make something that we can't but Atlus can."
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Jun 22, 2020 03:36
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ImpAtom posted:Do you mean "Nobody expects the Granas Inquisition?" Its the follow-upThat Granas and Valmar were both just people who used technology to become as gods and that Granas was not purely "good" and Valmar only came about as a resistance against them
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Jun 22, 2020 03:40
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the funniest thing about grandia extreme will always be them getting a thoroughly mediocre english voice cast with terrible direction and... mark hamill. who is. far and away the best performance in the entire game. like his scenes almost feel like they're from another game because he is so much more interesting and full of life
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Jun 22, 2020 03:41
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if you ever wanted to hear campbell from MGS play a sassy bird, grandia 2 is your game
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Jun 22, 2020 03:44
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bad voice acting you say https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bangt7d9vGA
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Jun 22, 2020 03:45
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I played through Phantasy Star 2 again a while ago and it really just now occurs to me that it was made by people who were very angry at their bosses. In retrospect, it's still one of the darkest, most nihilistic games I've ever played. When I was a kid, its themes mostly went over my head, which is probably for the best.
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Jun 22, 2020 03:58
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free hubcaps posted:bad voice acting you say I haven't clicked this and I already know what it is.
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Jun 22, 2020 04:01
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That voice acting is amazing.
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Jun 22, 2020 04:06
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grandia 2 has some really funny lines at the start the issue is that its meant to be a story about an rear end in a top hat learning to be a decent guy but hes a way more interesting and likable character when hes being a dick
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Jun 22, 2020 04:10
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yeah game start ryudo whos only kept from being frozen out of society entirely due to being good with a sword is far better than game end ryudo who ditched his personality in favor of trying to bang a nun
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Jun 22, 2020 04:24
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Wait wasn't the nun evil? EDIT: Wait I forgot, the nun in the player's party right
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Jun 22, 2020 04:31
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Agean90 posted:yeah game start ryudo whos only kept from being frozen out of society entirely due to being good with a sword is far better than game end ryudo who ditched his personality in favor of trying to bang a nun
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Jun 22, 2020 04:38
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Artelier posted:Wait wasn't the nun evil? The nun is possessed by an evil school marm who is a separate personality. And yes, Ryudo becomes really, really boring around the 1/2 mark.
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Jun 22, 2020 04:56
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Grandia II kicks rear end and is well worth playing, but don't expect it to be anything but a dumbass JRPG from 2000. the character writing is uhhhhh questionable like people have said, but the setting is neat and the combat is great. the voice acting is mostly better than you'd think. if you can get it cheap and are prepared to deal with the lack of QOL stuff from a 20 year old game, i would absolutely do it
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Jun 22, 2020 05:03
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Endorph posted:Yeah it would have been possible to square that circle - still cynical and snarky, but not using pessimism as an excuse not to do the things he knows he can, saving his venom for people who deserve it - but for the most part it feels like he shifts into generic hero mode Imagining ideal grandia 2 where he spends the back half of the game shouting burn it down and kinds and preachers with his friends, naughty nuns 2: demons after dark whos been in an existentially meltdown for the past 10 hours of gameplay and the kid who's secret royalty and always feels super awkward when ryudo goes on a rant but also kinda thinks hes right and his character arc is spent reconciling this ironically ryudo ends up more hated by certain parts society since he's gone from a greedy dick whose useful to an active threat stability
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Jun 22, 2020 05:11
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I'm trying to think of RPG protags who start out as a dickhead and become a better, more heroic person but are still kind of a jerk. I think the king of this is Yuri from Shadow Hearts, but I can't think of too many others. I'm realizing that I've played way more JRPGs with silent protags than without.
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Jun 22, 2020 05:15
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Crowetron posted:I'm trying to think of RPG protags who start out as a dickhead and become a better, more heroic person but are still kind of a jerk. I think the king of this is Yuri from Shadow Hearts, but I can't think of too many others. I'm realizing that I've played way more JRPGs with silent protags than without. Gig
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Jun 22, 2020 05:15
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That's not exactly what this is but I like Luke from Tales of the Abyss's character arc. He starts off a tremendous dick, then severely overcorrects into being a total martyr complex idiot before finally balancing himself out by the end of the game. It's unusual to see a protagonist in any game being told "Hey, you're overdoing it on the whole good guy thing. Bring it down a few notches."
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Jun 22, 2020 05:22
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I am very ignorant of strategy RPGs. I've only ever finished FFT once and played most of Disgaea 1. I have been told Suikoden doesn't count. World Eaters looks cool, though, I should check out an LP. Infinity Gaia posted:That's not exactly what this is but I like Luke from Tales of the Abyss's character arc. He starts off a tremendous dick, then severely overcorrects into being a total martyr complex idiot before finally balancing himself out by the end of the game. It's unusual to see a protagonist in any game being told "Hey, you're overdoing it on the whole good guy thing. Bring it down a few notches." I thought of Luke, too, but endgame Luke isn't really sassy enough to count, imo.
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Jun 22, 2020 05:26
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I think that applies to a lot of Nippon Ichi games, the protagonists might become better people, but they are still demon overlords.
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Jun 22, 2020 05:27
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did they ever make a sequel to zettai hero project usually I find nis grinding boring but then when I only need to grind up one character ever and it's a rogue like suddenly it's fun.
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Jun 22, 2020 05:30
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Wait poo poo gacha is kosher? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVKueqKpP00 Most of GBF's music is just okay but there are some real standout bangers in there
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Jun 22, 2020 05:35
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Agean90 posted:yeah game start ryudo whos only kept from being frozen out of society entirely due to being good with a sword is far better than game end ryudo who ditched his personality in favor of trying to bang a nun thats just like, life
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Jun 22, 2020 06:00
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free hubcaps posted:bad voice acting you say I just finished a replay of SH: Covenant today and this is making me laugh ten times as hard because of that.
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Jun 22, 2020 06:01
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Crowetron posted:I am very ignorant of strategy RPGs. I've only ever finished FFT once and played most of Disgaea 1. I have been told Suikoden doesn't count. World Eaters looks cool, though, I should check out an LP. soul nomad's normal route is so easy i'd only recommend reading the lp for the different endings and the evil route because that's the only part that's actually difficult
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Jun 22, 2020 06:02
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The post-ending of Grandia 2 does the really stupid thing weak writers love where the protagonist just disappears for a year despite that being nonsensical based on the entire journey leading up to it and their character development and Grandia 2 was the first game I noticed it in.
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IShallRiseAgain posted:I think that applies to a lot of Nippon Ichi games, the protagonists might become better people, but they are still demon overlords. Exccept for Mao, who is forever terrible Agean90 posted:did they ever make a sequel to zettai hero project Sorta, Guided Fate Paradox and uhhh..Guided Ultimatum or something on PS3. They're nowhere near as good.
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Speaking of Grandia, I remember that Grandia 1 got a re-release on the Nintendo Switch. Should I check out that version, or the original PS1 version? I remember that the big issue with Grandia 1 was that it came with a graphical update that looked really bad.free hubcaps posted:bad voice acting you say Is Chaos Wars any good? I have no interest in playing it, but this clip is all I've ever seen of the game, and it makes me think that the quality of the game is about on par with the voice acting.
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Jun 22, 2020 07:02
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I played it at around release so the main things I remember about Grandia II are that the OST was pretty good, the combat shouts were funny, and that I thought Millenia way better than the other main girl whose name I don't even remember. (E: Elena maybe?)
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Jun 22, 2020 07:47
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The main thing I remember about Grandia II is the main villain's name. I called that they were evil the first time they were even mentioned because Pope Zera Innocentius? Are you loving kidding me that's the evillest name I've ever heard! Oh also, I do like the main plot twist of the game. Religion being evil is nothing new, but I do appreciate the idea of the Pope going crazy because he finds out that not only is God real, but he died a while ago. Much more interesting of a spin than the church just being an evil death cult or whatever.
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Arzaac posted:The main thing I remember about Grandia II is the main villain's name. I called that they were evil the first time they were even mentioned because Pope Zera Innocentius? Are you loving kidding me that's the evillest name I've ever heard! I think you're meant to take it as a chosen papal name rather than his actual one, like "Pope John Paul II".
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Max Wilco posted:Speaking of Grandia, I remember that Grandia 1 got a re-release on the Nintendo Switch. Should I check out that version, or the original PS1 version? I remember that the big issue with Grandia 1 was that it came with a graphical update that looked really bad. Its the exact same game except it fixes the error with learning Time Stop and in exchange made all the graphics ugly. They patched the sprites they missed a few months ago and instead of giving you two graphics options made sure all if the game was the same ugly, so at least its uniform now.
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Arzaac posted:The main thing I remember about Grandia II is the main villain's name. I called that they were evil the first time they were even mentioned because Pope Zera Innocentius? Are you loving kidding me that's the evillest name I've ever heard! you know hes evil because of his beady bulging frog eyes when everyone around him is a doe-eyed anime boy. anime phrenology
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