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SourKraut posted:Yeah, my 2012 Mini and 2010 Yeah Catalina is terrible. I regretted upgrading. It sucks more because I didn't find out about T2 locking out Linux until after I bought my 2018 rMBP.
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Ok Comboomer posted:It’s OSX 11 you dummies. And you pronounce it “Oh-Es-Ex”. https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/06/22/apple-turns-macos-up-to-11---or-to-1016 According to developers who got Big Sur betas, they're reporting it's numbered 10.16.
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Rabid Snake posted:Yeah Catalina is terrible. I regretted upgrading. Catalina really is a dumpster fire. I wish I could downgrade my 16" to Mojave.
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I run both Catalina and Mojave on separate NVMe SSDs on my 13-inch rMBP 2015. The SSDs are identical, Inland Premium 1 TB SSDs (the old E12 versions not the new E12S.) The laptop tends to crash/lockup a lot more on Catalina than it does when booted from Mojave.
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Brain Issues posted:Catalina really is a dumpster fire. I wish I could downgrade my 16" to Mojave. be brave and join the
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My favorite part about Catalina is when I had to go through all the Windows Vista permission requests again after using Migration Assistant to go from my late-2013 13" rMBP to my new 16"
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American McGay posted:they've been prepping this for a while and hardly anyone will notice the change to apple dropped support for 32-bit apps in catalina. big sir doesn't drop support for anything. bootcamp works fine with catalina
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Last Chance posted:apple dropped support for 32-bit apps in catalina. big sir doesn't drop support for anything.
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Jun 23, 2020 01:45
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Personally I'll probably wait and buy the last Intel-based Mac Pro they'll release, and just use it until security updates are dropped, upgrading it as much as possible as I've done with my 2010 cMP.
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xarph posted:Children, there was once a glorious time of peace. A peace of 15 or so years, between the fall from grace of IBM, to the fall of
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Jun 23, 2020 02:31
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I can never play Metal Gear Rising on Macos again and it’s unforgivable
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Jun 23, 2020 02:36
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Ugh I hope there's at least one more refresh of the 13/15 inch MacBook Pros with X86. Our office is all Apple for and I've been using an early 2013 13-inch MacBook Pro for work for ages. Despite the fact it's been literally falling apart I've been putting off asking for my overdue upgrade because I just can't work with the butterfly keyboards. Like anytime I have to use a coworker's laptop, typing just feels so wrong and I get frustrated. Well that and dongle hell loving sucks when your role involves regularly connecting to USB 3.1 and HDMI sources. I was really hoping they'd announce a 13-inch model with the new keyboard (the keys are a bigger issue, I guess I can live with dongles if I'm forced to) but having to use ARM and depend on emulation? I'm pretty worried about that. Mr Luxury Yacht fucked around with this message at 02:48 on Jun 23, 2020 |
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Any new x86 product they release in the next two years is dead in the water in terms of sales.
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Bob Morales posted:2020 Airs for $150 off MSRP in the Apple Refurb Store The identical MBA 2020 i5/512GB/16GB RAM configuration I just ordered from Apple education is $110 cheaper on the Apple refurb store. The refurb model ships a week sooner than my machine too. gently caress. I did get free AirPods which I gave to my sister though, so way too much effort to refund all of this... 
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Mu Zeta posted:Any new x86 product they release in the next two years is dead in the water in terms of sales.
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:Ugh I hope there's at least one more refresh of the 13/15 inch MacBook Pros with X86. They released 13” pros with the new keyboard just a few weeks ago.
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American McGay posted:You weren't talking about Bir Sur. You were talking about ARM Macs. Correct.
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Mu Zeta posted:Any new x86 product they release in the next two years is dead in the water in terms of sales. the Osborne Effect.
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Proteus Jones posted:the Osborne Effect. Kind of? Except the new product on the horizon is going to be a side- or even downgrade for many purposes. And you've going to have x86 holdouts who will want the last models available that will work with Windows and games.
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I bought the first Intel iMac in January 2006 and it was a great machine... but Rosetta apps were awful and a lot of applications effectively just bit the dust. This transition should be smoother but I'd wait for at least the second round of machines. Will be interesting to see concrete numbers for battery life for the Macbook.
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Jun 23, 2020 03:07
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American McGay posted:Multiple people in this thread have expressed plans to buy the newest best Intel machine they can and ride out the rollout of ARM support. Also on the other side of things, your average consumer has no idea about the architecture or processor in the MacBook that they buy. They just buy whatever the newest one is. I think they'll be fine. Sure professionals know what they want but they don't make up the majority of mac sales. Maybe Apple will do an update to the Mac Pro or something but definitely won't be touching the laptops again until the ARMs are ready. They talk about WWDC on mainstream places like CNN so I think a lot more of the average people are informed about changes at Apple than at any other tech company. I mean if HP announces a new laptop nobody gives a gently caress. But something like this is big news on TV.
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Proteus Jones posted:the Osborne Effect. I mean yeah pretty much. I was waiting to see if this announcement was true to determine if I'd buy a Mac laptop or not for returning to school and it is, so I won't be. I don't want an effectively EOLed product fresh out of the box, yes it'll be good for some number of years but a laptop is way too much money for planned obsolescence to be a thing.
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Arivia posted:I mean yeah pretty much. I was waiting to see if this announcement was true to determine if I'd buy a Mac laptop or not for returning to school and it is, so I won't be. I don't want an effectively EOLed product fresh out of the box, yes it'll be good for some number of years but a laptop is way too much money for planned obsolescence to be a thing.
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American McGay posted:What's going to be obsolete about a 2020 Intel Mac? that it definitely has a defined end of life consisting of whenever Apple decides to stop providing services for it? let alone the third party developers, etc etc. Like yes, you can argue this is a thing for any Mac, or any computer, nothing lasts forever. Vintage Macs have been a thing in Apple's support database for decades, I get it. But I don't want to ride the back end of a platform switch, I'd rather just get something that Just Works now and will until I get tired of it, not when Apple or whoever decides to stop supporting it.
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Arivia posted:that it definitely has a defined end of life consisting of whenever Apple decides to stop providing services for it? let alone the third party developers, etc etc. Like yes, you can argue this is a thing for any Mac, or any computer, nothing lasts forever. Vintage Macs have been a thing in Apple's support database for decades, I get it. But I don't want to ride the back end of a platform switch, I'd rather just get something that Just Works now and will until I get tired of it, not when Apple or whoever decides to stop supporting it. How long do you expect to daily that laptop for? Apple generally operates on a ~six year support policy when it comes to stuff like OS updates, and machines continue to get security updates as needed after that. So let’s say Apple stops supporting your 2020 Mac with OS updates a few years after the last Intel Mac ships. Is it going to suddenly brick itself because your OS is 2 or even 3 years out of date? (And mind you this ending is probably like at least five years after the last Intel mac) There are goons posting here on OSX Mountain Lion and Mavericks and on C2D machines that definitely haven’t gotten a new OS in years. My parents daily drive a 2009 iMac that is running whatever its very last OS is (I think Yosemite?) trilobite terror fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Jun 23, 2020 |
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CaptainPsyko posted:They released 13” pros with the new keyboard just a few weeks ago. Thank god. Guess I'll be getting work to order me one once people are back in the office post-pandemic (whenever the hell that'll be).
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:Thank god. Guess I'll be getting work to order me one once people are back in the office post-pandemic (whenever the hell that'll be). Are you WFH? shouldn’t they be getting you one now?
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Binary Badger posted:https://appleinsider.com/articles/20/06/22/waterfield-designs-saddle-turns-the-mac-pro-into-a-workhorse  xarph posted:Children, there was once a glorious time of peace. A peace of 15 or so years, between the fall from grace of IBM, to the fall of Intel, that macs could play games. On the other hand, being able to directly run iPad apps means that the assorted games from that will also become part of the Mac gaming library, at least if devs can harmonize input methods (which might explain part of the push for iPad mouse support). Roadie fucked around with this message at 04:06 on Jun 23, 2020 |
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Ok Comboomer posted:Are you WFH? shouldn’t they be getting you one now? My old one still works but I'm down to around...half of the screws left in the bottom and the bottom plate is sort of lifting off on one side and it's full of dents. Between the fact it's 7 years old probably also explains why it's running so hot. But yeah given its functional it wouldn't be enough of a priority for me to get one shipped to my home immediately. I was offered the option to upgrade last year but I was holding out for them to at least fix the keyboards because a dented, volcano hot MBP 2013 still beats the pants off those awful butterfly keyboards.
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Roadie posted:
Yeah this is the big sell for me and I’m almost 100% gonna get the first gen one (obviously not the first week). iOS gaming is pretty drat good and looks pretty drat good too. I was watching a video a few days ago and the dolphin iOS emulator (GameCube and wii games) blows the android version out of the water and it’s not even worked on by that many people.
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:My old one still works but I'm down to around...half of the screws left in the bottom and the bottom plate is sort of lifting off on one side and it's full of dents. Between the fact it's 7 years old probably also explains why it's running so hot. Dude get your work to send you a new computer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rqZZgVxnCk
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Oh god I looked at Big Sur and now I’m loving terrified that apple’s gonna round off the corners on all of their upcoming displays
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Arivia posted:I mean yeah pretty much. I was waiting to see if this announcement was true to determine if I'd buy a Mac laptop or not for returning to school and it is, so I won't be. I don't want an effectively EOLed product fresh out of the box, yes it'll be good for some number of years but a laptop is way too much money for planned obsolescence to be a thing. Catalina is fully supported on 8 year old Macs. You’ll be fine.
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Some Goon posted:Intel's got shitballs of money and are literally selling every chip they can produce. They're not in a good spot, but they've got time.
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FCKGW posted:Catalina is fully supported on 8 year old Macs. To be fair, OS X support for PPC support only lasted for *checks notes* 5 years after the last PPC-based Mac was shipped. If the last Intel Mac is shipped in late 2021/early 2022, I'd take until 2026/2027 for OS updates.
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SourKraut posted:To be fair, OS X support for PPC support only lasted for *checks notes* 5 years after the last PPC-based Mac was shipped. If the last Intel Mac is shipped in late 2021/early 2022, I'd take until 2026/2027 for OS updates. There were exponentially fewer PPC OSX Macs in the Wild in 2010 than there are Intel Macs running in 2020. And at least for the next few years there are probably also going to be way less dramatic incentives for people to dump their old computers or upgrade to new ones like there were for PPC users switching to Intel Macs by the time support was pulled. Somebody using a PPC Mac in 2010 would be upgrading to a much bigger and higher res display, a unibody chassis, much faster internet and WiFi capability, and other major QoL improvements. And PPC/early Intel Macs were in many cases quirky or less-than-optimal in construction or longevity. Lots of plastic pieces failing or breaking, or yellowing and cracking by 2010. Heat issues in many models. Plus you’re talking about HDDs and optical media drives, many of which failed and prompted their owners to consider replacing them instead of repairing them in the first place. Compare that to today and Macs are substantially more durable. Hell, even the earlier unibody models from the early 2010s can easily put up with a solid decade of use and come out looking relatively unscathed. I wouldn’t put it past Apple cutting off OS updates after five years, but also the conditions have changed pretty dramatically since 2010.
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ARM Macs are going to blow Intel Macs out of the water in performance, battery life, heat, everything. Even for ordinary users, the differences will be substantial enough to motivate a switch, I think.
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:ARM Macs are going to blow Intel Macs out of the water in performance, battery life, heat, everything. Even for ordinary users, the differences will be substantial enough to motivate a switch, I think. With how powerful the iPad Pro is I absolutely agree with this.
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:ARM Macs are going to blow Intel Macs out of the water in performance, battery life, heat, everything. Even for ordinary users, the differences will be substantial enough to motivate a switch, I think. I think so too, but it’s like how cars have gotten more durable and consistent too. If the carrot’s tasty enough then sure, they’ll bite if they can afford to, but there isn’t the proverbial stick of their old machine biting the dust or becoming a relative pain to use to push them. Aside from the likelihood that ARM Mac Pro is gonna have a soldered-on CPU instead of sockets I’m so so hype for what MKBHD incredibly awkwardly called Apple’s “great transition”
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