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Aeka 2.0: Nov 16, 2000; Have you seen my apex seals? I seem to have lost them.; Dinosaur Gum

Disneyland is now recalling service employees for preperation of opening in a couple of weeks. They are waiting for gavin's approval.
Will he do the right thing?

# ? Jun 23, 2020 11:28

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# ? May 17, 2024 00:06

Wicked Them Beats: Apr 1, 2007; Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

If "the right thing" means he'll bend over backwards to make Disney happy, then yes. He already tried to exempt them from the original closure order so I imagine he's fine with them reopening on whatever timeline their lawyers recommend.

# ? Jun 23, 2020 15:11

WAR CRIME GIGOLO: Oct 3, 2012; The Hague
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Took me half an HR to drive 40 miles down 101. If that doesn't tell you how many people aren't going to work atm idk what would

# ? Jun 23, 2020 15:11

luminalflux: May 27, 2005

Which part of 101 though? Traffic is definitely returning to the bay area, Hwy 1 to Santa Cruz from the city was packed on saturday. On sunday we drove SF<->Placerville like we've done a few times during the quarantine, first time we averaged 75 MPH door to door, now it's more like 50 what with all the tailbacks by Vacaville.

# ? Jun 23, 2020 17:02

WAR CRIME GIGOLO: Oct 3, 2012; The Hague
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luminalflux posted:

Which part of 101 though? Traffic is definitely returning to the bay area, Hwy 1 to Santa Cruz from the city was packed on saturday. On sunday we drove SF<->Placerville like we've done a few times during the quarantine, first time we averaged 75 MPH door to door, now it's more like 50 what with all the tailbacks by Vacaville.

North Bay. Drove into San Rafael, but usually it's an HR at least to get through the narrows at 7-9 am

# ? Jun 23, 2020 17:04

Qtotonibudinibudet: Nov 7, 2011; Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki

Kenning posted:

The thing that drives me crazy about shelter in place was that it was there to buy time for the government to act. But that time was never spent on anything. They didn't set up universal testing, contact tracing, and well-supported quarantines for infected people. They didn't pass any legislation to support people that might lose jobs and businesses that might close. It was just like, we took a pause in March, and then now it's June and nothing has really changed in terms of a large-scale governmental response.

Eh, they maybe haven't done as much as they should have, but it'd be disingenuous to say they've done nothing. Alameda county at this point at least has multiple testing sites available if you want to get tested, with no requirements. Contract tracing is kind of in a weird place where I've heard that it's maybe available from Apple and Google (could also be that theirs are still in dev hell), but I've definitely not heard government instruction on it, which is odd.

The economic stuff is also kinda weird since that's the one space the feds have addressed, however imperfectly. It's not clear if they'll extend it further, but if so, I can understand the state wanting to reserve those funds for other initiatives in areas the feds aren't doing poo poo (of which there are many).

# ? Jun 23, 2020 17:19

Sydin: Oct 29, 2011; Another spring commute

luminalflux posted:

Which part of 101 though? Traffic is definitely returning to the bay area, Hwy 1 to Santa Cruz from the city was packed on saturday. On sunday we drove SF<->Placerville like we've done a few times during the quarantine, first time we averaged 75 MPH door to door, now it's more like 50 what with all the tailbacks by Vacaville.

Rush hour is still non-existent on 85/87 in the south bay, I can still get to work in 15 minutes when it used to take me 45-50. Traffic is definitely picking up on the whole though, particularly on side streets. Feels like a lot of people are still out of work or telecommuting, but otherwise more or less back to standard levels of travel.

# ? Jun 23, 2020 17:51

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

CMYK BLYAT! posted:

Eh, they maybe haven't done as much as they should have, but it'd be disingenuous to say they've done nothing. Alameda county at this point at least has multiple testing sites available if you want to get tested, with no requirements. Contract tracing is kind of in a weird place where I've heard that it's maybe available from Apple and Google (could also be that theirs are still in dev hell), but I've definitely not heard government instruction on it, which is odd.

Apparently the state rolled out a contact tracing app in late May. Similar to contact tracing apps in other countries like the UK, if you test positive you are asked to download the app and health workers will reach out to people who have been in contact with you offering testing.

This in contrast to what Apple and Google are doing, where the tracing ability is built into the phone's OS and people are notified via the software if they were in contact with someone who tested positive.

Has anybody here tested positive yet? Can anyone attest to being asked by the state to download a contact tracing app?

Certainly I don't recall being informed by the state by mail or any other way of an app, besides maybe seeing billboards advertising the app.

America Inc. fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Jun 23, 2020

# ? Jun 23, 2020 18:09

DeadFatDuckFat: Oct 29, 2012; This avatar brought to you by the 'save our dead gay forums' foundation.

Google requires the app in order for it to work though?

# ? Jun 23, 2020 18:39

luminalflux: May 27, 2005

Sydin posted:

Rush hour is still non-existent on 85/87 in the south bay, I can still get to work in 15 minutes when it used to take me 45-50. Traffic is definitely picking up on the whole though, particularly on side streets. Feels like a lot of people are still out of work or telecommuting, but otherwise more or less back to standard levels of travel.

Traffic is definitely up on my street in the city (16th), even saw a Genentech bus the other day. I really only drive places on the weekends, but in april I could get off the Duboce exit from 101 in one light cycle, now it's back to taking 3+ cycles to get through it.

# ? Jun 23, 2020 19:09

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

CA has given the go-ahead to return back to work, not sure why this is a surprise to anyone.

# ? Jun 23, 2020 19:13

Sydin: Oct 29, 2011; Another spring commute

Link? Did Gavin just say that as part of his update or something? I can't find anything via google.

It'd be a really dumb time to say that considering cases are absolutely soaring, even in the Bay Area.

# ? Jun 23, 2020 19:35

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

DeadFatDuckFat posted:

Google requires the app in order for it to work though?

Okay yeah so it seems like now you have to install contact tracing apps and it doesn't come out of the box in the OS. It seems like instead Apple and Google have created a framework for these apps to be built on.

https://www.wired.com/story/covid-19-contact-tracing-apple-google/

So yeah again we have this problem that a solution from the state and other powers that be is poorly communicated and a little too complex so the average person is left in the dark and doesn't know what's going on.

# ? Jun 23, 2020 19:51

The Wiggly Wizard: Aug 21, 2008

Wow Marin has the highest cases/100k in the Bay Area right now. I wonder what that's about. They're one of the least population-dense counties.

Boomers and wine moms couldn't be bothered to distance?

# ? Jun 23, 2020 20:56

Leperflesh: May 17, 2007

San Quentin?
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Coronavirus-outbreak-at-San-Quentin-State-Prison-15353583.php

Of course everyone who works at San Quentin takes their exposure and spreads it back into the community. John Oliver just did a bit on it this Sunday.

# ? Jun 23, 2020 20:59

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

Leperflesh posted:

San Quentin?
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Coronavirus-outbreak-at-San-Quentin-State-Prison-15353583.php

Of course everyone who works at San Quentin takes their exposure and spreads it back into the community. John Oliver just did a bit on it this Sunday.

God, this whole thing is so hosed up

Yeah, lets just transfer prisoners out of a place with a huge Coronavirus outbreak without testing them first. That totally wont cause a new, huge outbreak in a prison that had previously managed to avoid one

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Something strange was happening at San Quentin, Jesse told her. A large number of prisoners had recently arrived on buses from somewhere in Southern California and had been placed in cells on the upper tiers of Jesse�s housing area � a unit known as Badger.

Soon afterward, Jesse told his wife, the prison started to perform coronavirus tests on the men in Badger.

At first he didn�t know why, but then he overheard corrections officers saying that the men in the upper tiers � the recent arrivals � had come from a prison in Chino with a major outbreak of coronavirus.

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Now 159 prisoners have tested positive for the virus � a figure that has increased tenfold in the last two weeks, according to the state�s web tracker. In addition, more than 30 San Quentin employees have recently been infected.

These numbers are likely to climb as the virus races through the aging, overcrowded structure.

Interviews with inmates and staffers give a behind-the-scenes glimpse at the confusion and chaos that erupted behind bars as prison executives tried to keep a lid on a disaster of their own making.

In late May, the California Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation decided to transfer 121 incarcerated men from the Chino prison to San Quentin. At the time, officials in Sacramento said this was done to prevent the prisoners from falling victim to the Chino outbreak.

But many of the men weren�t tested for the coronavirus for up to a month before the state put them on buses.

Andrew Aguilar, 36, has been a corrections officer at San Quentin for a little more than a year. He said that until the infected Chino prisoners were brought into San Quentin, prison staff and inmates had successfully worked together to disinfect the facility and keep the virus out. �But once these new inmates came, officers and inmates started to get worried,� Aguilar said.

Part of his job was escorting the Chino prisoners, and he couldn�t understand why they had been mixed with other prisoners in the Badger unit. One day, Aguilar said, he went to Badger to bring an elderly Hispanic man to the medical clinic.

�I was speaking to him in Spanish and asked him how he felt,� Aguilar said. �He stated not too well and that he was from Chino.�

Aguilar realized that other men from Chino were probably sick, too.

Then, on Sunday, Aguilar spiked a fever. He started to cough and vomit, and his body ached. The symptoms worsened over the next several days; he tested positive for the virus. On Thursday night, his wife saw that he was having trouble breathing and took him to the emergency room at a hospital in Sonoma County where he is now a COVID-19 patient.

His 57-year-old mother, Abby Aguilar, said she is scared for her son and angry at the state for risking his health.

�Who in their right mind would send infected inmates without testing them to a state prison, San Quentin, where there were no cases?� she said. �I can�t believe it.�

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The design of the prison makes it hard for staff to manage the growing outbreak. Most of San Quentin�s cells have old-fashioned bars instead of solid doors that create a barrier against droplets. So when prisoners test positive for the virus, they are sent to an area of the prison often used for punishment � the Adjustment Center � because the cells there have solid doors.

Maura Bailey, a 35-year-old Sacramento woman, said her husband, Robert, is incarcerated at San Quentin, serving a short sentence for a low-level drug offense. He tested positive for the virus after the Chino prisoners arrived and was transferred to an isolation cell in the Adjustment Center, along with other infected prisoners.

�He basically said he�s in The Hole. He�s in solitary confinement,� Maura Bailey told The Chronicle. She said he is suffering from high blood pressure and joint pain, and aside from a once-daily check of his vital signs by prison staff, he doesn�t have access to proper medical care.

�Are they going to just be left � I hate to say it � to die in there?� she said. �That�s how it really feels sometimes.�

All of the Chino prisoners have now been moved to the Adjustment Center as well.

Prison officials declined to answer detailed questions about the outbreak and provided inaccurate statements to lawmakers and to The Chronicle.

Initially, the Corrections Department said that the Chino prisoners had been tested prior to arriving at San Quentin and that they �were not exposed to the general population.�

�The false statements are a serious problem,� said Assemblyman Marc Levine, who represents Marin County and has long raised alarms about the prison system�s vulnerability to the pandemic. �We need accurate information.�

# ? Jun 23, 2020 21:08

The Wiggly Wizard: Aug 21, 2008

Leperflesh posted:

San Quentin?
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Coronavirus-outbreak-at-San-Quentin-State-Prison-15353583.php

Of course everyone who works at San Quentin takes their exposure and spreads it back into the community. John Oliver just did a bit on it this Sunday.

Just back of the envelope at 190 cases in San Quentin is 15% of Marin cases which is a lot but even accounting for that it's still high. It's definitely going home with staff but I would not be surprised about hot tub marinite exceptionalism either.

# ? Jun 23, 2020 21:09

Dr. Fraiser Chain: May 18, 2004; Redlining my shit posting machine

I know the state has ramped up contact tracers and they are currently being trained. I, and many of my colleagues, were asked to do that job.

# ? Jun 23, 2020 21:10

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

The Wiggly Wizard posted:

Just back of the envelope at 190 cases in San Quentin is 15% of Marin cases which is a lot but even accounting for that it's still high. It's definitely going home with staff but I would not be surprised about hot tub marinite exceptionalism either.

I do my best to not go out much, but when I am out, people seem to be good about wearing masks up here

# ? Jun 23, 2020 21:17

Henrik Zetterberg: Dec 7, 2007

My wife works for the CA dept of public health and the whole contract tracing program has poached a ton of her key employees, making it super hard to do her job. And on top of that, the furlough days coming in July. Thanks Gavin!

# ? Jun 23, 2020 21:24

Kaincypher: Apr 24, 2008

Henrik Zetterberg posted:

My wife works for the CA dept of public health and the whole contract tracing program has poached a ton of her key employees, making it super hard to do her job. And on top of that, the furlough days coming in July. Thanks Gavin!

are the furloughs official yet?

# ? Jun 23, 2020 21:51

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

Sydin posted:

Link? Did Gavin just say that as part of his update or something? I can't find anything via google.

It'd be a really dumb time to say that considering cases are absolutely soaring, even in the Bay Area.

https://covid19.ca.gov/roadmap/

It's not a full-on opening but we've been in Stage 2 of the reopening plan for a while now and most counties have moved on to Stage 3 already. It's up to the county; if they have met the requirements for Stage 3 then they can start opening more businesses. Most counties except a handful in the Bay Area have met that requirements and have a ton more open businesses now.

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However, if a county wants to open gyms, bars, hair salons, barbershops, schools, dine-in restaurants, movie theaters shopping malls or professional sporting events, they have to go through an attestation process, in which they certify the spread of COVID-19 is under control locally.

As of Monday, all but four of California's 58 counties have completed that process. The only counties not allowed to move into Stage 2.5 and 3 are Alameda, Imperial, San Francisco and Santa Clara counties.

https://abc7news.com/california-reopen-bars-gyms-reopening-plan-governor-newsom-update-today/6210597/

# ? Jun 23, 2020 22:39

Henrik Zetterberg: Dec 7, 2007

Kaincypher posted:

are the furloughs official yet?

Hers start in July apparently.

# ? Jun 24, 2020 00:02

TheAgent: Feb 16, 2002; The call is coming from inside Dr. House; Grimey Drawer

if nothing is done and the current rate continues or gets worse (it'll get worse without another severe, state wide lockdown) the SoCal hospital system will be overrun in 10 to 16 weeks, even with massive emergency procedures in place

so that's fun

total number of ICU beds in SoCal is around 4,500 and with emergency surge expansion can get to around 20 to 25 thousand. total daily uptick of ICU admissions in the SoCal area is tough to find, but even before our massive numbers we were at 20 to 30% capacity back in early April

if we do not shut down, we are looking at a potential of 6 to 8 thousand new cases a day in SoCal alone, with roughly 150 of them having to occupy a new ICU bed every day

gonna chug some more wine I guess because gently caress

# ? Jun 24, 2020 00:05

Henrik Zetterberg: Dec 7, 2007

My local hockey rink has been open for a couple weeks now. They're talking about bringing back leagues soon too. Gonna be great when one person spreads that poo poo like wildfire.

# ? Jun 24, 2020 00:20

The Wiggly Wizard: Aug 21, 2008

Henrik Zetterberg posted:

My local hockey rink has been open for a couple weeks now. They're talking about bringing back leagues soon too. Gonna be great when one person spreads that poo poo like wildfire.

Unfortunately for me volleyball is one of the most germ-sharing of sports and there's basically no way the beer leagues or tournaments can responsibly open up until the virus is eradicated or there's a vaccine.

Santa Clara Co. hasn't even opened barbershops yet but we've done a RELATIVELY ok job at keeping cases down so I can't complain too much.

# ? Jun 24, 2020 00:39

Spazzle: Jul 5, 2003

The Wiggly Wizard posted:

Unfortunately for me volleyball is one of the most germ-sharing of sports and there's basically no way the beer leagues or tournaments can responsibly open up until the virus is eradicated or there's a vaccine.

Santa Clara Co. hasn't even opened barbershops yet but we've done a RELATIVELY ok job at keeping cases down so I can't complain too much.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Santa-Clara-County-sees-worrisome-surge-in-15361391.php

# ? Jun 24, 2020 00:43

Tayter Swift: Nov 18, 2002; Pillbug

Kaincypher posted:

are the furloughs official yet?

For some unions, notably SCIU, yes. Others are still negotiating but all roads are leading to 2 days of floating furloughs a month and all contract-based raises recinded at this point, maybe with some concessions made by CalHR to mitigate the damage.

# ? Jun 24, 2020 01:04

Dr. Fraiser Chain: May 18, 2004; Redlining my shit posting machine

Yeah I'm getting some weird furlough thing starting in July. I think I work normal schedule and I earn two days off, instead of pay, to be used at some future time or something? That's what it looks like currently

# ? Jun 24, 2020 01:20

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

https://twitter.com/mattdpearce/status/1275595789671137280

:ohno:

# ? Jun 24, 2020 02:05

Tayter Swift: Nov 18, 2002; Pillbug

Goodpancakes posted:

Yeah I'm getting some weird furlough thing starting in July. I think I work normal schedule and I earn two days off, instead of pay, to be used at some future time or something? That's what it looks like currently

Yes. This is the same as the end of the previous round of furloughs, after Brown was sworn in, except it's 2 days a month now instead of one.

Ironically I've been doing this exact same thing for years now so hooray me I guess.

# ? Jun 24, 2020 02:10

Aeka 2.0: Nov 16, 2000; Have you seen my apex seals? I seem to have lost them.; Dinosaur Gum

The owners of the business I work at are married. Today the wife was mentioning going to sprouts, but if they make her wear a mask she won't go in. They just don't care, "arent afraid" of it without considering how their actions could affect others.
Orange County in a nutshell.

# ? Jun 24, 2020 02:20

SlimGoodbody: Oct 20, 2003

Aeka 2.0 posted:

The owners of the business I work at are married. Today the wife was mentioning going to sprouts, but if they make her wear a mask she won't go in. They just don't care, "arent afraid" of it without considering how their actions could affect others.
Orange County in a nutshell.

My entire childhood, I wanted to get out of that fuckin country, and then I did at around 24 and never looked back. There are some good people there, but by and large, it's coddled suburban sociopaths.

# ? Jun 24, 2020 06:06

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# ? Jun 24, 2020 08:03

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

drat, the wildfires have jumped onto the thread now

# ? Jun 24, 2020 08:30

Anza Borrego: Feb 11, 2005; Ovis canadensis nelsoni

Kenning posted:

The thing that drives me crazy about shelter in place was that it was there to buy time for the government to act. But that time was never spent on anything. They didn't set up universal testing, contact tracing, and well-supported quarantines for infected people. They didn't pass any legislation to support people that might lose jobs and businesses that might close. It was just like, we took a pause in March, and then now it's June and nothing has really changed in terms of a large-scale governmental response.

Social isolation is really hard, and even people like ourselves who are serious about the danger of COVID-19 have to recognize that's it's painful and damaging to not be able to see people we care about and do things that make our lives feel like they're worth living. For the first 2 months of the lockdown I was a loving hardass about it. I stopped visiting my girlfriend in Sacramento, I did huge amounts of planning to avoid going to the supermarket more than once every two weeks, I didn't see anybody. But like...I can do that for 2 months. I can maybe do it for 6 months, if I have reason to believe that those 6 month are being spent mounting a serious response that means I don't have to do it anymore. But I can't do it for a year, or 18 months, or 2 years.

As of a few weeks ago my personal model has shifted from "rigorous self-denial for the common good" to "measured, thoughtful risk-taking to ensure that I'm emotionally able to go back to rigorous self-denial once the hospitalization rate starts to climb again."

If they announced tomorrow, "Okay, we have a testing and contract tracing plan we're gonna roll out, everyone plz stop all movement for 2 weeks to allow symptoms to manifest and to slow the infection rate so it works" I'd go full hermit again, and I think a lot of people would too. That's a solution. But they're not giving us solutions. They're not giving us anything. While I think not going to bars and restaurants is a lot bar that a lot of people ought to be able to clear (like just wearing masks when out-and-about, jfc), completely avoiding friends and family is impossible for most people to do for the period of time necessary for, say, a vaccine to be developed.

I saw my dad yesterday. A couple of us met up at my mom's place where there's a big back yard, we grilled some meat and had tacos, and sat around outside. As we were making this plan, I had a serious conversation with my dad (who is an at-risk person) about what the risks are realistically, and he basically said that he doesn't want to get COVID, but he's been 100% alone for months now, and it's really messing him up. It was a really nice day, and I think it gave him enough of a re-charge that he'll be able to tolerate not traveling to San Diego to see his grandkids, or visiting friends in the Bay for a while.

I think that stuff like that is likely to be the best-case scenario model right now. Abstinence doesn't work for sex, it doesn't work for drugs, it's not gonna work for COVID. We've gotta practice safer socializing, not avoiding other people entirely until some hypothetical moment where there's no more risk.

This is describes what my wife and I have been going through for the last few weeks quite well, and I see this thing very much the same. Thank you for posting it.

I�m probably going to repost it on social media, and will be sure not to attribute it to a dead comedy forum
:colbert:

Anza Borrego fucked around with this message at 08:43 on Jun 24, 2020

# ? Jun 24, 2020 08:36

Gangringo: Jul 22, 2007; In the first age, in the first battle, when the shadows first lengthened, one sat.

He chose the path of perpetual contentment.

I'm also not dealing with isolation well. Thankfully there's testing available now so my current plan to visit family is to get tested, immediately isolate until I get a result back, then join my parents' bubble for a few days.

# ? Jun 24, 2020 16:21

WAR CRIME GIGOLO: Oct 3, 2012; The Hague
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I saw a mushroom cloud of smoke rising off the side of the highway a few days ago. An ominous warning of the season to come.

If my house burns down again I'm not sure what I'm gonna do. Had a hard time putting paintings on the wall just thinking they're going to go up in smoke why buy em? I've done that with so much poo poo over the last year.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Jun 24, 2020

# ? Jun 24, 2020 16:28

America Inc.: Nov 22, 2013; I plan to live forever, of course, but barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

I saw a mushroom cloud of smoke rising off the side of the highway a few days ago. An ominous warning of the season to come.

If my house burns down again I'm not sure what I'm gonna do. Had a hard time putting paintings on the wall just thinking they're going to go up in smoke why buy em? I've done that with so much poo poo over the last year.

Have there been any efforts you've seen at the local or state level to reduce the chance of wildfires or mitigate their damage? I've heard from older co-workers that their local governments are telling them to clear dead brush around their houses in a 100 yard radius or something like that.

America Inc. fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Jun 24, 2020

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WAR CRIME GIGOLO: Oct 3, 2012; The Hague
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adoration for none posted:

Have there been any efforts you've seen at the local or state level to reduce the chance of wildfires or mitigate their damage? I've heard from older co-workers that their local governments are telling them to clear dead brush around their houses in a 100 yard radius or something like that.

Yeah that's all pretty standard. PGE did a lot of tree cutbacks but the fire risk is there regardless. What we need to do is bury the power infrastructure so we can be cool like San Jose and never have a problem with wildfires getting to the 50k acres mark. Also city planning has changed drastically in terms of what's allowed to be landscaped. Like you have 6 choices of landscape concepts and none of them resemble lawns. Houses are required to be sprinklered in every room of the house as most fires actually start inside the house from a chimney or open window having burning materials land inside. I may be explaining this wrong but basically having sprinklers kick on inside the house can save it from being burned unless it's a Tokyo firestorm type deal which causes houses to instantly explode as the air temp is 1000 outside.

I use Tokyo as an example because y description of that night is spot on to what Tokyo citizens reported when the city was firebombed. Maybe it's PTSD from being surrounded by a literal wall of fire in all directions. Still have nightmares of walking outside and hearing screams explosions and a blindingly red sky.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 19:27 on Jun 24, 2020

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