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Well since we're not starting a new thread, here's your  UKMT Solidarity Fund Monthly Update - 1st July 2020 Donations have been lower than usual over the last month, as people are rightly donating their spare funds to more urgent causes, particularly the Black Lives Matter movement. We've still been getting applications however, so the fund balance, while still healthy, has dipped below the £3k mark it's been flirting with to date.  And some overall stats since the fund came into being: Total donations: £4378.47 Total payout value: £1747.33 Number of payouts: 9 The number of payouts would be 10 but one goon did not leave us a way to contact them, and did not respond to an in-thread request for contact info. If you are that one goon who made an application and did not hear back from us, please contact us on the Discord or at the email address below! Lastly, we've had some queries about the status of our official multi-signatory bank account, as we're *still* stuck using the temporary account Irving Washington set up to get us going quickly. The simple answer is we made enquiries, and the bank never got back to us. We're going to give them a call asap, but we've been holding off during the period of uncertainty re the future of the forums, since they'll want to see a copy of the constitution and that will need to change significantly if the forums shut down. Constitution | Record of Activity Donate: Paypal - https://paypal.me/ukmtsolidarity Bank Transfer - PM IrvingWashington (aka Bill Drummond on Discord) for account details Apply: Application Form Email Us PM: AceClown, Fargle (discord only), Maugrim, Oscar Diggs or Rarity.
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Does anyone know how UC for self employment works? I keep trying to get my head around it, but the benefit calculators on gov.uk keep saying I'm not entitled to anything because my wife works more than 16 hours (even though she barely makes enough to keep us fed & afloat).
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Jul 1, 2020 18:14
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Yep, just apply for it anyway - they'll ask her to put in her details assuming you're living together (as it's considered a partnership) - they'll take off her wages but your mortgage/rent will supercede that as it's factored in. If you earn anything, that gets factored in too at some 60p on the £1 rate or something. You should at least get the ~£400 or so + rent/mortgage contribution despite her working. We got ~£1000 1st month, then ~£300 the next as I hosed up entering my furlough pay pittance that they take into account too, because how it's worded is absolute poo poo. Hope that makes sense. I'm having more grief off the Council applying for a Council tax reduction as they I provide what they want and then they ask for the same thing again. And their website only accepts loving jpegs for bank statements etc. Edit: my GF was furloughed that first month, redundant the next, and I can't get through to tell them their wordings dogshit/made a mistake. My accountant's been worth his weight in gold last 4 months. Goldskull fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Jul 1, 2020 |
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Jul 1, 2020 18:24
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It depends how much your wife earns, rather than how many hours she is doing. She might be earning enough to reduce any potential UC payment to zero that you might be entitled to. As an example my sister went on it with her boyfriend, she is self employed and her earnings fluctuate each month, he is employed so gets a regular salary (around £1300~). Their first month they got £0, but the next month they got something under £100. Self employment is a bit of a pain as in normal times the work coach would go through a bunch of questions with you to determine if you 'gainfully self employed' or not (and you can get a second opinion on this because lol some of the work coaches don't really know much about self employment). If you are, they kind of leave you alone to do your own thing, but might ask you to bring in evidence of income or expenses. If you aren't, then they might expect you to be looking for work alongside the self employment. Not sure how this would be affected currently with covid though!
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Jul 1, 2020 18:26
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Jose posted:The victims of communism think tank is definitely legit Of course they're not they're a bunch of nuts, lol if you think I was stanning for them, but their mistake is in attributing the Uighur genocide to communism rather than in saying there's a Uighur genocide going on.
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Jul 1, 2020 18:27
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Why is there no July thread? I can't help thinking that somehow this is Keir Starmer's fault
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Jul 1, 2020 18:32
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To be honest that's the biggest issue - my wife's mother died a few years back and left the house to her and her sister. So while we're incredibly lucky not to have a mortgage, lucky is probably not the best word to describe the circumstances by which we inherited the house. We split the bills 3 ways as well, so in terms of claiming for anything for the house is going to be a complete nightmare. Is there a 'sometimes I need to eat and pay for buses' component to it?
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Jul 1, 2020 18:34
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The Donut posted:It depends how much your wife earns, rather than how many hours she is doing. She might be earning enough to reduce any potential UC payment to zero that you might be entitled to. As an example my sister went on it with her boyfriend, she is self employed and her earnings fluctuate each month, he is employed so gets a regular salary (around £1300~). Their first month they got £0, but the next month they got something under £100. Self employment is a bit of a pain as in normal times the work coach would go through a bunch of questions with you to determine if you 'gainfully self employed' or not (and you can get a second opinion on this because lol some of the work coaches don't really know much about self employment). If you are, they kind of leave you alone to do your own thing, but might ask you to bring in evidence of income or expenses. If you aren't, then they might expect you to be looking for work alongside the self employment. Not sure how this would be affected currently with covid though! This is also worth noting. The call I got (I'm a 1 man Ltd Company Director so ALL my money is from Dividends + a ~£700pm employee wage that you could furlough yourself on up until a cut off date), the UC guy phoning up just confirmed some things I'd filled in like who last paid you (me) , DOB etc etc. There's a Journal thing once you register on UC to fill in, but IME they're not plagueing people to spend 36hrs a week jobseeking. You have to go through this DIGIDENTITY app thing too, which was getting hammered a few months ago but once thats up they call you rather than the days long phone wait I was hearing about. YMMV.
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Jul 1, 2020 18:35
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baka kaba posted:That's cool about the cartoons though, especially the actual work involved instead of getting a black marker out ForkBanger posted:Zip-a-Tone and LetraTone were the big ones, used by graphic designers and artists. Probably a bit like the blutak/prestik thing. A lot of older cartoons used manual hatching, but that could cause Black characters to look 'scruffy' or 'dirty' which is not a great look when you're going for anti-racism, so LetraTone worked well at avoiding that.  It's very of its time (and printer capability), but let's check in on what the Daily Mail was doing 8 years later...  gently caress off mac. winegums posted:Why is there no July thread? I can't help thinking that somehow this is Keir Starmer's fault
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Jul 1, 2020 18:54
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Ms Adequate posted:Of course they're not they're a bunch of nuts, lol if you think I was stanning for them, but their mistake is in attributing the Uighur genocide to communism rather than in saying there's a Uighur genocide going on. Not sure I buy the idea that there is a genocide going on, but that the Chinese Communist Party are somehow unaware, or opposed to it. Or that you would usefully able to use the word ‘communism’ to refer to any other political system or philosophy while the CCP is running a growing superpower.
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Jul 1, 2020 18:58
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Xi Jinping Thought on Socialism with Chinese Characteristics for a New Eraism.
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Jul 1, 2020 19:00
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radmonger posted:Not sure I buy the idea that there is a genocide going on, but that the Chinese Communist Party are somehow unaware, or opposed to it. I think the point is that the deranged right wing think tanks use the word communism to refer to every other political system or philosophy that isn't their preferred one.
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Jul 1, 2020 19:04
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Guavanaut posted:I just checked back through some old interviews with cartoonists in Southern Africa and yeah, LetraTone is what they called it (regardless of brand). Surely that wasn’t a cartoon from 2001?!
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Jul 1, 2020 19:10
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OwlFancier posted:I think the point is that the deranged right wing think tanks use the word communism to refer to every other political system or philosophy that isn't their preferred one. Deranged right wing think tanks are indeed wrong about many things.
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Jul 1, 2020 19:11
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Interesting throughout: https://ukandeu.ac.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Mind-the-values-gap.pdf   Somewhere, David Cameron is smiling.
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Jul 1, 2020 19:12
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radmonger posted:Deranged right wing think tanks are indeed wrong about many things. And the process is that they say that china is doing bad things (which it is) and then attribute that to the entire concept of leftism, which they call communism. It is perhaps not a great idea to let them do either the attribution, or to set the terms of what is and isn't communism.
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Jul 1, 2020 19:15
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A great deal of that skew seems to be crime and punishment: death penalty, harsher sentencing. There is no longer that famed decades-long majority support for the death penalty amidst the equally-firm elite majority against it, but it's still a high level of support So short of the usual level of racismdial.jpg I suppose that it is the logical route for Labour to seek those lost Labour heartlands one keeps hearing about. The composition of the party won't brook most avenues of culture war, but even London voters have Opinions on bicycle thieves
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Jul 1, 2020 19:26
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Jel Shaker posted:Surely that wasn’t a cartoon from 2001?! lol This is the same cartoonist in TWENTY FIFTEEN FOR FUCKSAKE https://twitter.com/SirTerence/status/661534885937590274?s=20 Mac is an absolutely irredeemably racist old shite. ronya posted:Interesting throughout: What I'm getting from this is actually nobody is very socially liberal in this country. Also think that graph of Labour MPs being so left wing economically is highly questionable.
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Jul 1, 2020 19:51
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BN(O) was a disgrace. It's good that we have given holders of those 5 year leave with unconditional right to work rather than that "long holiday visa" proposal before, it'd be great if we could extend it to all those who previously held it and their direct families. Does leave the residents of the Chungking Mansions in the lurch. As a parallel, in the 80s the civil service (jokingly?) proposed resettling Hong Kongers in Northern Ireland. As well as the economic boost, it was thought that the unionist and nationalist communities would be so angry at a bunch of new immigrants outnumbering them 5:1 that the Troubles would end.
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Jul 1, 2020 19:52
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The Donut posted:It depends how much your wife earns, rather than how many hours she is doing. She might be earning enough to reduce any potential UC payment to zero that you might be entitled to. I might be misunderstanding it, but the local CAB have been absolutely no help - if I try to walk in they say I need an appointment, and if I try to call they never answer. Job centre won't give me any advice unless I'm already registered. I'm also interested in how this works because I'm convinced that the whole self employment / LLC / tax deduction / bankruptcy system is a coded system for rich people to magic up free money - start a company, pay yourself a wage, run up a bunch of debts and then write it off via bankruptcy. The reason not everyone can do it is because only the rich are trained in how to structure it without ending up in jail.
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Jul 1, 2020 19:52
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forkboy84 posted:This is the same cartoonist in TWENTY FIFTEEN FOR FUCKSAKE Mail: okay v  vhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVtbkQMwJS4 Nutapii posted:As a parallel, in the 80s the civil service (jokingly?) proposed resettling Hong Kongers in Northern Ireland. As well as the economic boost, it was thought that the unionist and nationalist communities would be so angry at a bunch of new immigrants outnumbering them 5:1 that the Troubles would end.
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Jul 1, 2020 20:02
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Bobby Deluxe posted:The weird thing is that every time I try to run though any version of the application, it literally says no because she works more than 16 hours. Which seems like bullshit if you have a partner who works 20 hours minimum wage. Are you looking at that benefits calculator thing? Ignore it and just do the UC online application, it has the questions on your living situation etc within. I'm trying my best to help as I asked the same thing on here a few months ago, and got poo poo off people for being a ltd company and following the same financial advice off accountants/agencies so I could actually get loving paid when they changed the rules about 6 years ago, only help I got was 'LOL sucks to be you being a company director and going under the tax bracket as an employee', like I don't pay best part of 5 figures a year in tax. Same poo poo on twitter, where all the mouthbreathers think you're some kind of cash in hand 1970s Handyman. It won't do any harm to fill in the UC thing, they'll come back on you and say whether you're entitled to anything. I know it sucks, I'm 2 months away from having to borrow beg or steal now.
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Jul 1, 2020 20:08
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ronya posted:
I'm extremely leery of the idea that 'liberal' and 'authoritarian' are the polar opposites everyone likes to pretend they are.
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Jul 1, 2020 20:15
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So in the months after Grenfell, the housing association who own the block I live in had to do a bunch of fire safety inspection work. They did carry out a bunch of works (firestopping pipe penetrations above false ceilings in communal areas, more smoke alarms, assessments and removal of cladding etc) and now have decided that the cost of all the work they did is going to billed to the residents. Am I out of my mind or is this incredibly shady and possibly not legal?
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Jul 1, 2020 20:17
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ThomasPaine posted:I'm extremely leery of the idea that 'liberal' and 'authoritarian' are the polar opposites everyone likes to pretend they are. I don't think that's as much the case in the UK though, so I dunno why they went with it.
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Jul 1, 2020 20:20
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ThomasPaine posted:I'm extremely leery of the idea that 'liberal' and 'authoritarian' are the polar opposites everyone likes to pretend they are. Let people do what the gently caress they want, or don't? It's only *really* useless as a framing device when you try to use liberal to cover both economic and social liberalism.
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Jul 1, 2020 20:22
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Yeah it works fine for social issues. The result does surprise me through. I figured the country was relatively socially liberal and shifting hard right economically. Instead it's the opposite? So everyone no longer minds wealth distribution but we're hoping to bring back rampant homophobia and improve our racism quotient. More seriously I assume it boils down to the fact that nationalism is growing.
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Jul 1, 2020 20:29
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Yes that's what Brexit is all about if you think about it. More handouts for Brits.
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Jul 1, 2020 20:30
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Well. A fist will be involved.
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Jul 1, 2020 20:32
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sebzilla posted:Let people do what the gently caress they want, or don't? Social liberalism is an illusion that I don't really think has ever existed or ever can exist. Every freedom promised by liberalism has come from a desire to maintain markets and trade and profits, and every supposedly liberal country has been more than willing to get the truncheons out when people start to use their apparent freedom to attack those commercial interests. A state where everyone can do whatever they want at all times can't also be a state where everyone is provided the means to meaningfully be who they want to be. Sometimes genuine freedom has to be imposed by authoritarian means. (/Rousseau)
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Jul 1, 2020 20:36
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The UK has always had a big hole in the landscape for economically left socially conservative politics.
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Jul 1, 2020 20:36
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OwlFancier posted:The UK has always had a big hole in the landscape for economically left socially conservative politics. Isn't that the exact preserve of your Eddie Dempsey types?
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It's the position of the BNP, but no major party that I am aware of has actually done it. Because weirdly the structure of the british political system makes everyone economically right wing and also functions as a laundering process for lovely racism and its ilk whereby you get to claim you're appealing to the average voter when you do lovely things to minorities that you coincidentally would do anyway. You could perhaps argue that Blair gave the impression of that but lol if you think he was actually economically left wing. I suppose it's what the unthinking clods who voted for the tories projected onto them as well. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Jul 1, 2020 |
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Jul 1, 2020 20:39
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ThomasPaine posted:Social liberalism is an illusion that I don't really think has ever existed or ever can exist. Every freedom promised by liberalism has come from a desire to maintain markets and trade and profits, and every supposedly liberal country has been more than willing to get the truncheons out when people start to use their apparent freedom to attack those commercial interests. A state where everyone can do whatever they want at all times can't also be a state where everyone is provided the means to meaningfully be who they want to be. Sometimes genuine freedom has to be imposed by authoritarian means. (/Rousseau) Ehhh, I'm not sure. I mean, yes, the reasons freedoms are given are either to advance profit or caving in to pressure before things evolve into Officially Kicking Off, and yes, freedoms are always constrained within capitalism by capitalism, but that doesn't mean they don't exist at all. Like, I can get gay married now, which is caught up in a million different strands of Problems and yet at the end of the day... it's better than not being able to get gay married.
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I think part of the problem is that social liberalism (or more like economic liberalism under the guise of social liberalism) has defended things like segregation under the basis of "let people live near who they want" and "let people work where they want" and so the opposite of social authoritarianism has to be aware of power dynamics in a way that liberalism has classically not been. Old school gay lib were Marxist as gently caress and used that as a big part of their dialectic for liberation, but it'd be weird to have the axis as Marxism<--->authoritarianism. Maybe 'progressivism' is a better antonym that hasn't been sullied by the Ayn Rand boys.
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OwlFancier posted:It's the position of the BNP, but no major party that I am aware of has actually done it. Because weirdly the structure of the british political system makes everyone economically right wing and also functions as a laundering process for lovely racism and its ilk whereby you get to claim you're appealing to the average voter when you do lovely things to minorities that you coincidentally would do anyway. I mean if you're associating conservatism specifically with (proto?)-fascism sure, but there's definitely an economically left but socially small-c conservative trend that's pretty influential within the British labour movement and has been for a long time
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Sure, but the leadership hasn't gone for it, they always go economically right socially right, with or without a sad face. Corbyn being the sole exception. Also they probably don't go far right enough, half the country would gladly set up concentration camps if it meant they got to take potshots at their own children with rifles.
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Jul 1, 2020 20:59
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Where does owning rifles to shoot your own children fall on the libertarian-authoritarian axis?
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ronya posted:A great deal of that skew seems to be crime and punishment: death penalty, harsher sentencing. There is no longer that famed decades-long majority support for the death penalty amidst the equally-firm elite majority against it, but it's still a high level of support Yeah the actual questions they used feel almost a decade old the social stuff is meaningless. The only takeaway from it is 'people who vote tory that are on less than £70k a year are loving rubes' and we did know that. ThomasPaine posted:Social liberalism is an illusion that I don't really think has ever existed or ever can exist. Every freedom promised by liberalism has come from a desire to maintain markets and trade and profits, and every supposedly liberal country has been more than willing to get the truncheons out when people start to use their apparent freedom to attack those commercial interests. A state where everyone can do whatever they want at all times can't also be a state where everyone is provided the means to meaningfully be who they want to be. Sometimes genuine freedom has to be imposed by authoritarian means. (/Rousseau) Social liberalism isn't an illusion that hasn't/can't exist because it's not a binary on/off thing it's a spectrum. A country that criminalises homosexuality is less socially liberal and shittier than a country that doesn't, just because capitalism perverts and exploits everything, and liberalism is particularly vulnerable to it, that doesn't mean social liberalism itself is inherently suspect. If two societies both have the working class being stamped into the dirt but one allows trans people to express their gender that is the better society even if both are still poo poo.
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OwlFancier posted:The UK has always had a big hole in the landscape for economically left socially conservative politics. Time for SNP to move south of the border. *I will stop edit now* Rincewinds fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Jul 1, 2020 |
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