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DGC773
Sep 10, 2010


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I think I may leave this game after re-subbing for a month. I use to play hardcore when we were in GoonFleet fighting BOB and then the entire game but I just don't get any enjoyment from the game anymore.

Everything seems to be a grind, I just don't have time to make decent amount of ISK or play for hours in the hope for a fleet fight.

I dislike the pay to win element that CCP have brought in. Yeah I know that paying to win the game doesn't give you skill but it removes the feeling of achievement when you earn something.

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Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

NGC773 posted:

I think I may leave this game after re-subbing for a month. I use to play hardcore when we were in GoonFleet fighting BOB and then the entire game but I just don't get any enjoyment from the game anymore.

Everything seems to be a grind, I just don't have time to make decent amount of ISK or play for hours in the hope for a fleet fight.

I dislike the pay to win element that CCP have brought in. Yeah I know that paying to win the game doesn't give you skill but it removes the feeling of achievement when you earn something.

You can't really "pay to win" at EVE. You can pay to lose, but winning involves having more friends than the other guy and CCP hasn't figured out out to sell people friends.

GOOD TIMES ON METH
Mar 17, 2006

Fun Shoe

NGC773 posted:

I think I may leave this game after re-subbing for a month. I use to play hardcore when we were in GoonFleet fighting BOB and then the entire game but I just don't get any enjoyment from the game anymore.

Everything seems to be a grind, I just don't have time to make decent amount of ISK or play for hours in the hope for a fleet fight.

I dislike the pay to win element that CCP have brought in. Yeah I know that paying to win the game doesn't give you skill but it removes the feeling of achievement when you earn something.

If you have time left try doing non-null sec stuff. gently caress around in wormholes for a bit and see if you like it. The game mechanics there feel more interesting to me but ymmv

RYYSZLA
May 11, 2013

Sickening posted:

Are they just going to own that place permanently?

We hope so.

Elements of the lore, quotes from CCP Sledgehammer and the new advert video that dropped today all suggest that systems flipped to trig lim / ecomm fortress are going to stay that way, and the trig lim stars seem to be opening wormholes big enough for world arks to come through. Hopefully this means we keep Ichoriya, which means that I've fullfilled an 8 year old promise to Gallactica, Tekitha, Lockout, First General, Crimper, Mesh Marillion, Zoidberg, wey'oun & xer0 to avenge galmil getting blobbed


Hexel posted:

Is PL dead yet

Hollow shell of its former self that when morale reaches rock bottom (as it did in mid-2019) it's bad enough to literally outright kill corps (like mine, Higher Than Everest)

Gwyneth Palpate posted:

They've been dead for a long time. Hell, Grath is in GSF right now. (It's a dumb pseudo-eve-celebrity stunt, I think.) AFAIK most of PL went to NCdot or phorde.

Basically Hedliner is a guy that surrounded himself with 50% useful dudes 50% absolutely god-awful subhuman wretches that shouldn't even be made reddit mods for what little arbitrary power it gives them, let alone be made alliance leadership, like DoomChinchilla. Im pretty sure in 2018-19 he was deliberately stoking these divisions to try and get corps to WIdot into sniggerdly, which in actual 20/20 hindsight while clearly the best option for rejuvenating snigg. and PL in general, it was aids to be a part of, to the point that it killed hundreds of "leet pvpers" want to play for the last 2 years. A bunch of us are only just returning now

Doom personally is why a bunch of people like Wrik Hoover, Wey'oun, a bunch of sniggerdly dudes, and a bunch of elise randolph's corp switched over to horde/nc. BUSA, NESW and Bat Country leaving was the beginning of the real end.

Discussion Quorum
Dec 5, 2002
Armchair Philistine
Grindy undocked PvE (even lucrative grinds - I was blazing L4 pirate burner missions) is both incredibly unappealing and unrealistic now that I have a tiny human crawling around. T2 industry seems a lot more accessible than when I last played so I'll see how that works out with an irregular login cycle. I do still have my P4 factories and my P4 spreadsheets seem to still work, but ugh at trying to scale that beyond one character.

Rutibex posted:

You can't really "pay to win" at EVE. You can pay to lose, but winning involves having more friends than the other guy and CCP hasn't figured out out to sell people friends.

NPCs that will join your fleet and follow broadcasts about as well as the common Goon. 50,000 plex for +50 in your fleets for 7 days!

GOOD TIMES ON METH
Mar 17, 2006

Fun Shoe

Discussion Quorum posted:

NPCs that will join your fleet and follow broadcasts about as well as the common Goon. 50,000 plex for +50 in your fleets for 7 days!

This would be cool imo

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.
Triglavian Invasion is maybe the dumbest thing CCP has ever done.

DGC773
Sep 10, 2010


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Sickening posted:

Triglavian Invasion is maybe the dumbest thing CCP has ever done.

Whats up with them camping a system and insta-killing anything that jumps in?

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

NGC773 posted:

Whats up with them camping a system and insta-killing anything that jumps in?

I mean, you just force people to get standings with the trigs and then go back to exactly what they were doing before. Its just so pointless. Get a rookie ship, shoot at edencom, go back to normal. No meaningful decisions made. No drawback for choosing.

The only things being gained is pissing off people who are uninformed. I am sure at this point its lost them more money in subs then its gained.

DGC773
Sep 10, 2010


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Sickening posted:

I mean, you just force people to get standings with the trigs and then go back to exactly what they were doing before. Its just so pointless. Get a rookie ship, shoot at edencom, go back to normal. No meaningful decisions made. No drawback for choosing.

The only things being gained is pissing off people who are uninformed. I am sure at this point its lost them more money in subs then its gained.

One of the reasons I can't be bothered with the game is because I logged back into my tengu in dekelein after years of being away. Traveled 40 jumps to high sec then just got insta-killed by Trig. This happened within 2 hours of be coming back to the game. I know eve is hardcore mode for games but gently caress I am too old to be wasting my time playing like this.

RYYSZLA
May 11, 2013

Sickening posted:

I mean, you just force people to get standings with the trigs and then go back to exactly what they were doing before. Its just so pointless. Get a rookie ship, shoot at edencom, go back to normal. No meaningful decisions made. No drawback for choosing.

The only things being gained is pissing off people who are uninformed. I am sure at this point its lost them more money in subs then its gained.

So far, yeah, in theory, more significant effects are coming

Discussion Quorum
Dec 5, 2002
Armchair Philistine
I'm still not fully up to speed on all of this new alien stuff. Until they killed those Horde JFs I was happily flying through their systems (granted always in an interceptor/frigate/pod) :shrug:

Do they leave you alone once you have standings, and is CONCORD still a thing in those systems? Asking for a me.

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

Discussion Quorum posted:

I'm still not fully up to speed on all of this new alien stuff. Until they killed those Horde JFs I was happily flying through their systems (granted always in an interceptor/frigate/pod) :shrug:

Do they leave you alone once you have standings, and is CONCORD still a thing in those systems? Asking for a me.

You go shoot one evecom guy and its like nothing changed. Evecom doesn't shoot you until you are -1.0 with them. Trigs shoot you until you have any positive rep with them.

DGC773
Sep 10, 2010


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Sickening posted:

You go shoot one evecom guy and its like nothing changed. Evecom doesn't shoot you until you are -1.0 with them. Trigs shoot you until you have any positive rep with them.

Yikes, sounds like another ill thought out 'content' from CCP. It only serves to catch out the casual players.

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

NGC773 posted:

Yikes, sounds like another ill thought out 'content' from CCP. It only serves to catch out the casual players.

Yes. It seems especially strange considering the casual player is the player who will walk away from the game the easiest.

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011


Discussion Quorum posted:

NPCs that will join your fleet and follow broadcasts about as well as the common Goon. 50,000 plex for +50 in your fleets for 7 days!

I think that's called a droneboat.

RYYSZLA
May 11, 2013

Sickening posted:

Yes. It seems especially strange considering the casual player is the player who will walk away from the game the easiest.

To be fair, it's not "complete" yet

Imagine if incursions only spawned the smallest easiest sites and we just assumed that was all there is to it, that's basically what you're doing now. Not that I hold it against you, CCP gave you no choice really. The lore explanation for all this stuff is non-existant so far

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

RYYSZLA posted:

To be fair, it's not "complete" yet

Imagine if incursions only spawned the smallest easiest sites and we just assumed that was all there is to it, that's basically what you're doing now. Not that I hold it against you, CCP gave you no choice really. The lore explanation for all this stuff is non-existant so far

I don't understand the comparison. One is an optional part of the game a casual player can understand and plan their game time around pretty easily and the other is being instantly exploded in the middle of highsec while doing your arc mission. I can't imagine what the new player experience is like with these things going on. Low level agents are giving them missions and lead into instant death with no alternative pathways into a target system. Its loving dumb on levels never seen before in eve.

And turning a highsec system into a nullsec system, forever, seems incredibly dumb considering how highsec is mapped out. loving with highsec at a massive level is going to dumpster this game.

Sickening fucked around with this message at 21:33 on Jul 14, 2020

Stereotype
Apr 24, 2010

College Slice

Sickening posted:

I don't understand the comparison. One is an optional part of the game a casual player can understand and plan their game time around pretty easily and the other is being instantly exploded in the middle of highsec while doing your arc mission.

I got a huge warning message when I tried to jump into a Trig invaded zone. Basically just "don't jump in here because you will die" so I went around it.

Seemed pretty clear to me as a total newbie casual

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

Stereotype posted:

I got a huge warning message when I tried to jump into a Trig invaded zone. Basically just "don't jump in here because you will die" so I went around it.

Seemed pretty clear to me as a total newbie casual

There are systems in which you can't go around it. This is going to get worse the longer it goes on.

Like, imagine being a returning player and seeing all your poo poo in a highsec system that is now nullsec. A system where you will be instantly podded.

Stereotype
Apr 24, 2010

College Slice
I tried to do high sec PvE freighting of soda and dirt and got blown up going from a 1.0 to a 0.9 so I think space is just dangerous ya know

Erulisse
Feb 12, 2019

A bad poster trying to get better.

Sickening posted:

There are systems in which you can't go around it. This is going to get worse the longer it goes on.

Like, imagine being a returning player and seeing all your poo poo in a highsec system that is now nullsec. A system where you will be instantly podded.

And it is GOOD.

Foehammer007
Dec 7, 2011

by Pragmatica

FAT32 SHAMER
Aug 16, 2012




Lmao

Xolve
Oct 12, 2012

Well, shoot! We ain't come this far just to dump this thing in the drink. What's the nearest target opportunity?
Grath is in Am0k

Erulisse
Feb 12, 2019

A bad poster trying to get better.

Is that the Snuff main corp or something?

Hexel
Nov 18, 2011




:psyduck:

Loden Taylor
Aug 11, 2003

Countdown until Groon and Holesquad are brought back in.

Stereotype
Apr 24, 2010

College Slice

Idgi

lite_sleepr
Jun 3, 2003

Xolve posted:

Grath is in Am0k

I was in Am0k.

Didn't Rydis (forever my Sky Marshall) marry Ish?

Xolve
Oct 12, 2012

Well, shoot! We ain't come this far just to dump this thing in the drink. What's the nearest target opportunity?

lite_sleepr posted:

I was in Am0k.

Didn't Rydis (forever my Sky Marshall) marry Ish?

I don't know- it's been... quite a while since I was in Am0k

FAT32 SHAMER
Aug 16, 2012




Elitistops is a Corp led by someone named penifsmash who specialised in solo hotdropping JFs, more often than not goon ones and I think he hated goons or at least didn’t like them

Until it was tome to shoot at Test

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.
Where can i even shoot a drat edecom ship? searching online leads me to zero loving answers.

JFC this game.

Loden Taylor
Aug 11, 2003


ElitistOps is the old Goonswarm black ops group that got booted by Darius Johnson and then joined up with PL.

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



Loden Taylor posted:

Countdown until Groon and Holesquad are brought back in.

Hole squad is dead as dirt and gone. You're more likely to get 2013 era Syndicate living SV back together (coincidentally a lot of people in Hole Squad were 2013 era SV folks).

gwrtheyrn
Oct 21, 2010

AYYYE DEEEEE DUBBALYOO DA-NYAAAAAH!
Well, BOS is in TEST, so at least part of that group isn't coming back

lite_sleepr
Jun 3, 2003

Sickening posted:

Where can i even shoot a drat edecom ship? searching online leads me to zero loving answers.

JFC this game.

Open the Agency, go to Triglavian, click on stellar recon, and go to the high sec systems where invasions are happening.

As I understand they only invade high sec of .5 or higher.

Dr. Pangloss
Apr 5, 2014
Ask me about metaphysico-theologo-cosmolo-nigology. I'm here to help!

orange juche posted:

Hole squad is dead as dirt and gone. You're more likely to get 2013 era Syndicate living SV back together (coincidentally a lot of people in Hole Squad were 2013 era SV folks).

The discord is still not-dead, even if i only drop in now and again and never post anything.

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

Black summer was the best summer.

lite_sleepr posted:

Open the Agency, go to Triglavian, click on stellar recon, and go to the high sec systems where invasions are happening.

As I understand they only invade high sec of .5 or higher.

I did this just now, funny enough there is exactly one highsec system in the rear end end of nowhere. I traveled the vast area of lowsec just to get there. I am now .01 and now white to trigs. Mission success.

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lite_sleepr
Jun 3, 2003

Sickening posted:

I did this just now, funny enough there is exactly one highsec system in the rear end end of nowhere. I traveled the vast area of lowsec just to get there. I am now .01 and now white to trigs. Mission success.

Sickening has seen the Abyss, and found it welcoming.

The Flow must not be denied. Extirpate those would would deny the Flow.

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