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AntherUslessPoster posted:This is how you get lost civilisations on disabled starships. I mean the Galaxy has like 40 shuttles across three bays. Not to mention hundreds of escape pods all with their own distress beacons. I imagine the J would be way more.
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Veotax posted:I remember reading at one point that Enterprise wanted to do a crossover with the Dr Who revival which started around that time, but it ended up falling through. The time-pod in Future Tense was an intentional reference, and Russel T. Davies has said he would have been down for a formal crossover, but Enterprise went off the air just as Dr. Who started up again. I imagine getting the BBC and CBS getting to actually agree to anything would have been a nightmare anyway. (And thank God for that; I can't imagine it being anything other than pure distilled fanwank.)
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MikeJF posted:Concept idea for the Defiant's mission patch These both own bigtime
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MikeJF posted:I mean the Galaxy has like 40 shuttles across three bays. Not to mention hundreds of escape pods all with their own distress beacons. I imagine the J would be way more. There are always some variables, stellar parasite-induced amnesia etc etc etc. OTOH I imagine there are more failsafes than on 24th century starships, with several levels of conscious Emergency X Holograms across all decks etc. But again that's trek and we are living in it's darkest age yet.
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If Trek did a crossover with Dr Who i would never watch Trek again
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MikeJF posted:Concept idea for the Defiant's mission patch Was this actually seen on screen?
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MikeJF posted:Production team having just stolen these from the dumpster out back during the set teardown of TNG Those ended up in Ronald D. Moore's possession. A few years ago he finally got them mounted on his living room wall. https://twitter.com/RonDMoore/status/601911511821324288 
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feedmyleg posted:Though I still think it makes sense that so far in the future (assuming they don't go for a societal/technological collapse storyline which I kind of assume they will This is basically the GSVs (General Systems Vehicle, in practice an entire city with FTL drives) from the Culture series. They've got a nominal physical hull in case the ship ever needs to shut down for some reason, but in normal operation almost everything is done with elaborate force fields, including entire ship areas constructed entirely out of field effects.
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) that ships would just be giant holodecks without traditional physical structures for most of the ship—outside of warp and replicator tech.
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Angry Salami posted:The time-pod in Future Tense was an intentional reference, and Russel T. Davies has said he would have been down for a formal crossover, but Enterprise went off the air just as Dr. Who started up again. I imagine getting the BBC and CBS getting to actually agree to anything would have been a nightmare anyway. It’s wild that Doctor Who started back up as Enterprise was ending, because the first few seasons of the revival look and feel like it was made in 1997.
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Powered Descent posted:Those ended up in Ronald D. Moore's possession. A few years ago he finally got them mounted on his living room wall.
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Angry Salami posted:The time-pod in Future Tense was an intentional reference, and Russel T. Davies has said he would have been down for a formal crossover, but Enterprise went off the air just as Dr. Who started up again. I imagine getting the BBC and CBS getting to actually agree to anything would have been a nightmare anyway. A formal crossover would've been awful but a children in need special would've been great. Roadie posted:This is basically the GSVs (General Systems Vehicle, in practice an entire city with FTL drives) from the Culture series. They've got a nominal physical hull in case the ship ever needs to shut down for some reason, but in normal operation almost everything is done with elaborate force fields, including entire ship areas constructed entirely out of field effects. Eh, the main structure of the ship that people actually walk around is matter, they just use fields a lot to move and temporarily project things and actually hold the matter together under all the stresses. The 'hull' is open with windows and balconies and gaps (and generally a landscape on top); the only actual thing keeping the air in is always just the outer field envelope, which is usually about twice the radius of the actual physical ship. A GSV considers the edge of its field envelope the edge of its body. (And of course a Systems Class GSV isn't even a discrete unit so much as hundreds of floating islands inside a 200km field bubble, but they're the extreme case). I've never really seen a satisfying depiction of a GSV, to be honest. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Jul 16, 2020 |
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Powered Descent posted:Those ended up in Ronald D. Moore's possession. A few years ago he finally got them mounted on his living room wall. I'm having a brain fart or something, but is that Connie, A/refit, B, C and D? e: I'm having a real brain fart because my original question was "is the top one the E (as seen on that episode before the E existed)"
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Snow Cone Capone posted:I'm having a brain fart or something, but is that Connie, A/refit, B, C and D? Yes, though it was before the Ambassador design was finalized for the Enterprise-C, and before Generations made the -B an Excelsior variant with the big bulging things on the deflector dish. And CVN-65, which is ... certainly an inclusion, considering the Enterprise itself was named after that ship's WW2 predecessor, CV-6.
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Yeah, that's the Probert ambassador. 3D model of his sketches:  It incorporates elements of both the Excelsior and Galaxy, the same as the actual Ambassador, but just... differently. A bit closer to the actual Galaxy. They never thought they'd have to actually show it onscreen, and when they did the design was too difficult to actually machine in a reasonable time for a week-to-week episode (the complex curves of the Enterprise-D itself took ILM, a long time and a lot of money to build) so Sternbach made a more geometrical take on it. Drone posted:And CVN-65, which is ... certainly an inclusion, considering the Enterprise itself was named after that ship's WW2 predecessor, CV-6. To be fair, you can kinda justify it with more distance from WWII. CV-6 was important for an old war. CVN-65 was the first ship with a reactor! MikeJF fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Jul 16, 2020 |
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Drone posted:And CVN-65, which is ... certainly an inclusion, considering the Enterprise itself was named after that ship's WW2 predecessor, CV-6. In TMP, the rec deck on the Enterprise had a picture of the space shuttle Enterprise, which was named for the very same fictional Enterprise on which the characters are standing.   Cross-Section posted:I wonder when the decision was made that the B would be an Excelsior-class If I'm remembering the order of things right, many fans started speculating that 1701-B would be an Excelsior after ST6. In that movie, we found out the fate of the A (decommissioning), and the USS Excelsior (originally something of an antagonist ship) had been thoroughly redeemed under Captain Sulu. Very soon after, it turned up in official (if not quite canonical) materials like the TNG technical reference book. But it wasn't "official" until the B appeared onscreen in Generations.
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MikeJF posted:CVN-65 was the first ship with a reactor! Also instrumental in saving Earth from the whale probe, when you think about it. I bet Kirk omitted that part from his report though. Woulda made for an awkward scene explaining it to the C-in-C: "Jim, you mean to tell me that not only did you steal the starship Enterprise, but you went back in time and stole poo poo from THAT Enterprise too?" :facepalm:
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MikeJF posted:I've never really seen a satisfying depiction of a GSV, to be honest. I always figured that from the outside they'd just look like an ovoid because you just see the outermost field, and from inside the field they'd be however the gently caress the individual Mind(s) running the show wanted to indulge their whims. We had the example of how Sleeper Service dressed its exterior in Excession, and it seemed pretty unique in a way that implied that GSVs consider their exteriors to be a work of art.
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Wasn’t the original plan to have the Excelsior be renamed the Enterprise at the end of ST4?
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Powered Descent posted:In TMP, the rec deck on the Enterprise had a picture of the space shuttle Enterprise, which was named for the very same fictional Enterprise on which the characters are standing. 
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Voyager rewatch log We're getting into a stretch that has a lot of "put on Voyager in the background and do something else" energy. I'm just going to mention a few. S5 e22 11:59 Probably the least interesting episode of the entire franchise. E23 Relativity Time travel episodes are fun. Seven episodes are good. This is both good and fun. Also Jeri Ryan should have refused to wear the catsuit after this episode. E25 and S6 e1 Equinox Voyager meets with a starfleet ship that wasn't crewed by Protagonists. They decided that murder was the solution to being so far from the Alpha Quadrant. The two parter wasn't bad but it sort of feels like the start of the "making hard decisions" down slide the series has taken. S6 e4 Tinker Tenor Doctor Spy A fun episode but again you learn there is basically no privacy on a starfleet ship especially if they can just hook your thoughts up to the holodeck. I feel bad for the Doctor. S6 Riddles Tim Russ gives a great performance. S10 Pathfinder Fun fact: Barclay is in more episodes of Voyager than TNG. It was neat to see him and Troi again.
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Man this is a lot of Voyager per day for one person. I'm getting concerned. I'm prescribing you one viewing of Take me out to the Holodeck per every 7 eps.
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Powered Descent posted:Those ended up in Ronald D. Moore's possession. A few years ago he finally got them mounted on his living room wall. That's rad. Also they're way bigger than I thought.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Wasn’t the original plan to have the Excelsior be renamed the Enterprise at the end of ST4? It wasn't going to be renamed, but the crew was going to be moved over to the Excelsior (and there are DC-era comics to this effect). Gene Roddenberry pitched the mother of all loving fits and leaked it to the fanzines (as he did with Spock's death and the Enterprise's destruction), so the decision was made to fake out audiences with the Excelsior followed by the surprise shot of NCC-1701-A.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Man this is a lot of Voyager per day for one person. I'm getting concerned. I'm prescribing you one viewing of Take me out to the Holodeck per every 7 eps. I'm on a 5 day weekend from work and voyager doesn't require me to engage higher brain functions. It's not the only thing that I'm doing but this isn't my daily journal.
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it's ok you're talking to someone who binged like 5 seasons of MTV's Catfish show in a week during quarantine
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Powered Descent posted:In TMP, the rec deck on the Enterprise had a picture of the space shuttle Enterprise, which was named for the very same fictional Enterprise on which the characters are standing. ST6 came out during TNG though, so after those ship models had been made.
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feedmyleg posted:Yeah, the J is rad. I hope we get to see more of it on screen down the line and it's not just ignored completely. I can see the Disco team being able to evolve that design in really interesting ways if they pick up the design cues from it for season 3 ships. Though I still think it makes sense that so far in the future (assuming they don't go for a societal/technological collapse storyline which I kind of assume they will If Star Trek has taught us anything it's that you should never rely on the Holodeck. poo poo, even if you just want to use it for Sherlock Holmes Adventurers or to drink in a sixties night club it fucks up everything. Now you need it for your basic functions while another ship is bombarding you with Tachyon Torpedoes or whatever?
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Speaking of holodeck poo poo Voyager S6 e11 Fair Haven Ooch, Tommy boy, we really hafta address Star Trek's problems with depictions of the oirish! Gee, I'm really glad we get Irish village instead of more captain proton or something fun.
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Senor Tron posted:ST6 came out during TNG though, so after those ship models had been made. Good point, I'd forgotten about that.
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11:59 and the two Irish holodeck episodes are some of the worst in all of Trek
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What's 11:59? *googles* what that episode is great. it's not super Star Trek, but it's great in its own way as a human question about space and possibility.
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Arivia posted:What's 11:59? *googles* what that episode is great. it's not super Star Trek, but it's great in its own way as a human question about space and possibility.
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What if You've Got Mail but Janeway's ancestor
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I hate the Ent-J because it's so obviously not designed from the mindset of "the Starfleet design lineage taken to the nth degree" but "the NX taken to the nth degree" and the NX is dumb and the Akira is dumb and if I could time travel I'd punch everyone who worked on First Contact in their stupid nerd faces.MikeJF posted:Yeah, that's the Probert ambassador. 3D model of his sketches: Now there's a bloody starship.
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There's a lot to like in that design that streamlines and upgrades a lot of things, but I just can't get behind any ship with that terrible Excelsior-style accordion ribbing on the neck. And that secondary hull is just way too wide, even though that's true of so many ships post-TNG.
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