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Big Mean Jerk posted:I rewatched ST09 for the first time in ages today and I maintain that it's a flawed but ultimately solid and fun intro for that version of the TOS cast. It's amazing how well the film works in spite of itself—it's held together almost entirely by charm and a propulsive sense of fun. But watching it again recently, the mess that is Star Trek Into Darkness made a lot more sense. It's got all the same problems, but with a fraction of both the charm and fun.
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feedmyleg posted:There's a lot to like in that design that streamlines and upgrades a lot of things, but I just can't get behind any ship with that terrible Excelsior-style accordion ribbing on the neck. And that secondary hull is just way too wide, even though that's true of so many ships post-TNG. I like the ribbing, bit think it should be chrome.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I rewatched ST09 for the first time in ages today and I maintain that it's a flawed but ultimately solid and fun intro for that version of the TOS cast. Giacchino's score is still the best part though, and having it take center stage over the last Kelvin scene was such a great choice. Not afraid to admit that that scene chokes me up every time. I suspect other people might hate it but I think the Mustang/Sabotage scene that follows is great too. That kid took his one line and acted the gently caress out of it.
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It's dumb, but it's at least having fun while it's dumb instead of being dumb and also a dark slog.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:I suspect other people might hate it but I think the Mustang/Sabotage scene that follows is great too. That kid took his one line and acted the gently caress out of it. I really appreciated Beyond's callback to it. Of course it's Sabotage, it's both appropriate for the purpose and a nice callback to Kirk rediscovering himself as a captain. Like okay, in action-movie Star Trek verse, you CAN make surfing a starship on a wave of drones in space work. The whole reboot trilogy really seems to show that you can do cool action movie Star Trek if you actually care and try to give it some attention and purpose? When they care, it works fairly to very well. When they don't care, it's poo poo.
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The most inoffensive thing about ST09 is also the most offensive thing I can say about it: it was a decent enough way to spend two hours.
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Y'all are very charitable and nice about ST09. I still think it's really bad and also I hate it, and did not enjoy it.
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I appreciate, nothing about ST09. I hate it absolutely completely.
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I liked and still like Star Trek V, even though it's objectively bad. I can't either about ST09; it's utterly charmless and well-formed garbage IMO.
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I liked the score and the robbit bridge officer that seemingly never gets mentioned again.
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It’s a bad, goofy movie that operates on osmosis-via-pop-culture understanding of Star Trek. They say JJ Abrams made the movie as his audition for Star Wars and I can believe it because it has 90% of the same problems as Force Awakens. best thing about the movie is Pine doing a brief Shatner impression at the end.
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Jul 17, 2020 02:26
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ST09 is better than all of the TNG films except FC and also TMP, TSS, and TFF It still has problems but it keeps moving and tells a decent story. I will never get over the engineering brewery though.
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Jul 17, 2020 02:29
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The brewery made me keep laughing because all I could think about was the MST3K of Space Mutiny. "Wouldn't the basement make the spaceship bottom heavy?"
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Jul 17, 2020 02:57
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Nokia phones are indestructible and it stands to reason that they would exist several hundred years in the future. Wasn't there Pepsi or Coke or something at the bar where Kirk met Uhura? A brand so potent, it survived the Eugenics Wars and WWIII!
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Jul 17, 2020 03:00
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Gonz posted:Nokia phones are indestructible and it stands to reason that they would exist several hundred years in the future. Budweiser I guess if Trek is in a divergent future, one of the changes I can accept is where Nokia didn't put all their eggs in the Windows Phone basket
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Snow Cone Capone posted:Budweiser The Nu-Trek universe Nokia phone batteries last 50 years on a single charge. Up 25 years from the Nokia phones of the 90's!
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Gonz posted:The Nu-Trek universe Nokia phone batteries last 50 years on a single charge. Up 25 years from the Nokia phones of the 90's! To be fair to Nokia, the Windows phones were terrible but I have about a half-dozen different Nokia candybars in a box somewhere that still hold charges
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skasion posted:It’s a bad, goofy movie that operates on osmosis-via-pop-culture understanding of Star Trek. They say JJ Abrams made the movie as his audition for Star Wars and I can believe it because it has 90% of the same problems as Force Awakens. best thing about the movie is Pine doing a brief Shatner impression at the end. Pine's Shatner impression as seen on SNL owns and I wish he'd done it through all the movies. There should be a Director's Cut where Pine redubs his dialogue in Shatner-Mode.
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Jul 17, 2020 03:20
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The best sequence in nutrek is oddly in the worst movie. The opening of ID when they are running from the alien tribe strikes all the right tone. It sucks that the movie was downhill from there.
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Gonz posted:Nokia phones are indestructible and it stands to reason that they would exist several hundred years in the future.
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Jul 17, 2020 03:25
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Klingon Coca-Cola retains the original cocaine ingredient.
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Nessus posted:Ehh they had consumer brands in the Soviet Union. I imagine it would be less ubiquitious but you could probably ask the replicator for a Coca-Cola and get one. Just be sure to specify: Cold, hot, or bloodworm. Yeah, the money motivation is gone but if you invent a drink you'd still be motivated to make it popular and get people to enjoy your work, so branding and advertising would still be useful.
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Nessus posted:you could probably ask the replicator for a Slug-o-Cola and get one. Just be sure to specify: Cold, hot, or bloodworm. e: oh my god friggin Memory Alpha lol 
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Snow Cone Capone posted:e: oh my god friggin Memory Alpha lol I actually didn't remember that drink dispenser so this isn't nearly the worst Memory Alpha article.
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Worf loitering near the beverage replicator in Ten Forward during his off duty hours, hoarding prune juices.
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For example, the article detailing every time someone on Enterprise got a drink: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Drink_dispenser
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Pen Pals was good. Samaritan Snare was great. I can really see TNG rounding into form.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I rewatched ST09 for the first time in ages today and I maintain that it's a flawed but ultimately solid and fun intro for that version of the TOS cast. Giacchino's score is still the best part though, and having it take center stage over the last Kelvin scene was such a great choice. Not afraid to admit that that scene chokes me up every time. Me too. That's the good stuff right there.
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Grand Fromage posted:For example, the article detailing every time someone on Enterprise got a drink: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Drink_dispenser I'm worse for reading the whole thing
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ST09 has plenty of flaws, but I prefer to think of it just as a complete reboot than an alternate timeline connected to Prime so changes don't bother me. It's a fun popcorn flick with some great Trek moments like the opening Kelvin attack.
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Yeah I mean continuity-wise it makes no sense for it to be the past of the Prime timeline outside of Nimoy. It's way easier to justify it as the past of an alternate universe, ala the mirror universe where everything is just vastly different. Spock dimension-hopped.
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Snow Cone Capone posted:e: oh my god friggin Memory Alpha lol memory alpha is turbo useful my dude
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Senor Tron posted:ST09 has plenty of flaws, but I prefer to think of it just as a complete reboot than an alternate timeline connected to Prime so changes don't bother me. It's a fun popcorn flick with some great Trek moments like the opening Kelvin attack. I prefer to think of it as poop, that lives in a toilet
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why the gently caress does anybody care about canon anymore I mean really what the poo poo *rolls up a copy of the Star Trek Encyclopedia and swats the thread on the rear end with it*
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Tighclops posted:why the gently caress does anybody care about canon anymore I mean really what the poo poo If you don't know CANON how can you COMPLAIN about it
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Gonz posted:Klingon Coca-Cola retains the original cocaine ingredient. To the Klingons this still qualifies as a soft drink.
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skasion posted:It’s a bad, goofy movie that operates on osmosis-via-pop-culture understanding of Star Trek. They say JJ Abrams made the movie as his audition for Star Wars and I can believe it because it has 90% of the same problems as Force Awakens. best thing about the movie is Pine doing a brief Shatner impression at the end. I think you mean "Urban doing a Kelley impression the entire time" 
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Tighclops posted:why the gently caress does anybody care about canon anymore I mean really what the poo poo If you can roll that motherfucker up I'd be impressed. The last edition was like half a yellow pages thick.
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