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Groovelord Neato posted:What's the rationale for not allowing prisoners let alone felons to vote? I know what the real reason is but what's their excuse for doing it? "They're bad people" they're pretty blatant about it.
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Groovelord Neato posted:What's the rationale for not allowing prisoners let alone felons to vote? I know what the real reason is but what's their excuse for doing it? they pretend to believe in a social contract that the prisoners/felons have violated and so can’t get the goodies like voting. then they ignore or deride the idea of a social contract anytime it’s advantageous to them to do so
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Groovelord Neato posted:What's the rationale for not allowing prisoners let alone felons to vote? I know what the real reason is but what's their excuse for doing it? More of the usual fascist playbook of making sure anyone that might conceivably vote against you out to be literally subhuman.
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lousy hat posted:they pretend to believe in a social contract that the prisoners/felons have violated and so can’t get the goodies like voting. Yeah it's this. "While you're repaying your crime to society you can't get to decide who runs that society."
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uncurable mlady posted:if the state can’t prove how much someone owes then how can they stop them from voting? what exactly is the mechanism here, do they not let them register? in addition to whatever bullshit happens before registration/voting, every florida felon who votes also runs the risk of doing everything they think they need to but missing something because the records are hosed and getting later popped for illegal voting
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Groovelord Neato posted:What's the rationale for not allowing prisoners let alone felons to vote? I know what the real reason is but what's their excuse for doing it? constitution lets you unperson anybody you deem a felon for any reason, so any state that wants to more openly control who is permitted to vote will hand out felonies (oftentimes as pleas deals to bullshit charges that probably wouldn't hold up in court, but to get to court means being in jail for like a month) like nothing. Not just voting but pretty much all social support programs from food stamps to housing assistance. Still gotta pay taxes to support those programs tho!
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Groovelord Neato posted:What's the rationale for not allowing prisoners let alone felons to vote? I know what the real reason is but what's their excuse for doing it? Amendment 5 to the Bill of rights, heavily truncated: quote:No person shall...be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law; Taken as a matter of principle, all people who are subjects of the right forms of paperwork are thus legally 'open season.' And if you want to render people outlaws, then you basically have a rigid binary between people who haven't been processed and people who have, and the people who have can be subject to nearly anything. Really, some people are just draconian as gently caress and think that any violation of the law should render a person a total outlaw, probably out of some belief that they, personally, are perfectly law-abiding and that the system is just (aka the funniest and most naive belief).
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Mr Interweb posted:this guy's still alive (for now), but it doesn't look like he's having a good time:  he's a mlm chud. probably better for the rest of the planet that he doesn't reproduce.
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Strong Sauce posted:found in the thread.. A “second generation wealth creator” named sex? Oh, yeah. I can’t wait for the update.
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Groovelord Neato posted:What's the rationale for not allowing prisoners let alone felons to vote? I know what the real reason is but what's their excuse for doing it? "Criminals don't have rights!"
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Veni Vidi Ameche! posted:A “second generation wealth creator” named sex? Oh, yeah. I can’t wait for the update. what’s that even supposed to mean "oh my father built this company which i inherited that makes me a 2nd generation wealth creator"?
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Flowers For Algeria posted:what’s that even supposed to mean Probably, honestly.
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So, wait. Does this mean Flynn, Manafort, Cohen, Stone and D'Sousha can't vote?
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BiggerBoat posted:So, wait. it's state by state, with most states allowing for the governor or similar to re-instate voting rights on an individual basis. This exists entirely to let the felon friends of power continue their franchise, so yeah they can probably all vote still every cycle there's a dozen or so people who get caught voting twice or whatever for the Republican, I don't think a single one has ever seen a day in court. If you're told you can vote by your probation officer, but your PO is wrong, and you vote, you'll go to jail for 5 years tho. Many instances of each of these exist, you can probably guess the commonality each side shares
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BiggerBoat posted:So, wait. D'Sousha maybe, not sure how pardons work for voting rights Flynn maybe, he's still fighting his case Stone maybe, not sure how commuted sentences work for voting rights Cohen hard no Manafort hard no
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odds are if you're literally still in prison like the last two you aren't voting one of the good "purity tests" for candidates who claim to be serious about justice reform is to ask them their opinion on the currently incarcerated being allowed to vote. It's an absolute no-brainer if you're serious about the issue and almost no lib does
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Groovelord Neato posted:What's the rationale for not allowing prisoners let alone felons to vote? I know what the real reason is but what's their excuse for doing it? Do you want thugs electing people to office in the United States? Also part of going to prison means giving all human rights during the experience and any other rights once you leave like the right to vote!
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don't forget that prisoners still get counted for congressional district representation
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etalian posted:Do you want thugs electing people to office in the United States? but that would only make a meaningful difference if the prison population were a hugely significant portion of the total population-- waaaait a minute....
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Groovelord Neato posted:What's the rationale for not allowing prisoners let alone felons to vote? I know what the real reason is but what's their excuse for doing it? You broke the law, its there for people to see Why should you get the same as honest men like me?
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Strong Sauce posted:found in the thread.. https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.ne...7d7&oe=5F3A0444 he's laughing, actually you see he also posted this two hours ago: quote:Some stupid dickless spineless oval office posted me On Reddit so I guess I’m even more famous!!! Hahaha stupid loving lonely friendless pathetic virgins. Thanks for all the traffic though! It’s been amazing!!! If only these liberal loving morons knew what they didn’t know. You know you’ve really made it when you’ve got stupid loving friendless internet losers making videos of you and reposting your public posts as if you don’t want people to see them? Hahaha I love triggering these pathetic cunts! But just to clarify - Never in my life have I ever said I would spread any virus. I guess it really pisses them off I’m Totally recovered and negative with covid! Hahaha and to further state: MASKS DONT loving STOP OR SLOW THE SPREAD OF COVID - Any info to help me find out who the user wolfcolacrypto on Reddit is would Be very much appreciated 🙂 edit: he also posted this on reddit: quote:This is me and I don’t have covid you stupid mother fucker. Happy to send you my negative test result! Also can’t wait to find out who you are. Once I do I am going to ruin your life. This is gonna be so much fun! totally normal behavior Mr Interweb has issued a correction as of 02:50 on Jul 20, 2020 |
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StashAugustine posted:You broke the law, its there for people to see
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Epic High Five posted:odds are if you're literally still in prison like the last two you aren't voting This won't surprise anyone but here in Australia where we have compulsory voting all the people in prison are also required to vote and the electoral commission has put a lot of work into making that as easy and accessible for them as possible: https://formupload.aec.gov.au/Form?FormId=prisoner The electoral commission also has special teams whose job is to canvas homeless people and remote indigenous communities to make sure their votes are recorded as well, whenever possible.
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Mr Interweb posted:https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.ne...7d7&oe=5F3A0444 UPDATE: i guess captain tough guy isn't as tough as he'd have you believe. he turned his FB page private 
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the possibility of constantly wheezing and being out of breath is the cost of FREEEEEDOM.
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A wealth creator. 2nd generation. Lmao.
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https://twitter.com/DecoherenceWave/status/1284959840180174848
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Is there any crime that should result in temporary or permanent loss of voting rights? Or would those crimes be so few that it’s not even worth worrying about? Also, for currently incarcerated, what locality would they vote in - the address of their prison or the address of where they lived prior to incarceration?
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Nottherealaborn posted:Is there any crime that should result in temporary or permanent loss of voting rights? Or would those crimes be so few that it’s not even worth worrying about? Perjury? Part of voting is swearing that you are who you say you are, and if you're convicted of lying under oath it kinda negates the vote.
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Nottherealaborn posted:Is there any crime that should result in temporary or permanent loss of voting rights? Or would those crimes be so few that it’s not even worth worrying about? The problem with taking away prisoners' right to vote is that it then becomes an "obvious" step for authoritarian governments to simply ensure that anyone who might vote against them becomes a criminal. And, as one goon stated years ago in another discussion of this very topic - if there are enough felons to influence an election then you, as a society, are doing something horribly wrong. There might be an argument to be made for people with severe learning difficulties, or brain damage, or in a coma or something like that, but that should be decided on a case-by-case basis by a panel of medical experts with ample room for appealing their decisions. Beyond that, democracy is simply too important and fragile to have a section of the population disenfranchised, be it for a years or forever.
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Nottherealaborn posted:Is there any crime that should result in temporary or permanent loss of voting rights? No.
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Rick Scott isn't a senator and DeSantis isn't governor if Florida didn't disenfranchise felons.
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Nottherealaborn posted:Also, for currently incarcerated, what locality would they vote in - the address of their prison or the address of where they lived prior to incarceration? In Australia they get incarcerated voters to nominate an outside address and they also ask them about the length of their sentence and stuff like that so they know where to post their voting pack at the next election.
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I yearn for republican death
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ElGroucho posted:I yearn for republican death 
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welcome to the republican party
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ElGroucho posted:I yearn for ftfy 
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Nottherealaborn posted:Is there any crime that should result in temporary or permanent loss of voting rights? fascism
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crimes against fashion
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