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The Chairman
Jun 30, 2003

But you forget, mon ami, that there is evil everywhere under the sun
At this point, I don't think it particularly matters who "Q" is because it's a self-sustaining enterprise now. There's a whole ecosystem of Q interpreters and Q explainers and Q prophets that have sprung up around it, so even if Trump himself had a lucid moment and got on stage to categorically deny the existence of Q or that he'd secretly executed Hillary Clinton or that he is in contact with Ashtar High Command or whatever other theories have tacked onto the original core, the Q community would just close ranks and explain to each other that denying being Q just means he's definitely Q

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Murgos
Oct 21, 2010
Should probably start pushing the theory that Hillary Clinton is actually behind Q and the whole thing has been a false flag op to confuse the faithful and lull them into inaction thinking something is going to happen, 'any minute now'.

edit: And or George Soros.

Also, my bet is that Palmer Lucky was involved in Q somewhere.

turnip kid
May 24, 2010
Does anyone know the provenance of this COPYPASTA that's written by a person who claims to be one of many Qs? Lots of SA Mentions within:

https://pastebin.com/BsyeQe5M

quote:

Some of you go all the way back to the Something Awful forums and the days when platforms like IRC and ICQ still felt new. Some of you literally just joined yesterday. I am going to give you an abbreviated history of the chans as it pertains QAnon. Most people know 4chan and 8chan as the place where Q lives online, but they don’t really understand them. “No outside comms” seems to be what the 99% of QAnon understands—that these are the “official” channels where Q posts. But have you ever been there? Have you ever really gone to boards and looked at them? Some you have, but the vast, vast majority of QAnon followers have not. Perhaps that is no surprise, as they aren’t easily comprehensible. So, let’s talk briefly about three things: Something Awful, 4chan, and 8chan/8kun. And I do mean briefly. You could write a book about each of these, but we can move forward with some broad strokes that should give you the context you need to truly understand Q.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

turnip kid posted:

Does anyone know the provenance of this COPYPASTA that's written by a person who claims to be one of many Qs? Lots of SA Mentions within:

https://pastebin.com/BsyeQe5M

Without reading the link.

4 Chan was born from people who were banned from SA/found SA too restrictive. Mostly having to do with things that are reprehensible, openly posted child porn was prevalent on 4 chan for a very long time along with abudant racism and bigotry.

8 Chan was born from people who thought 4 Chan to restrictive.

So, yeah, horrible people all around.

turnip kid
May 24, 2010
This is the actual content, not the 4chan/8chan/SA stuff:

quote:

This all starts in the summer of 2016. Someone on /pol/ makes a post pretending to be someone working with “intimate knowledge” of the “Clinton case.” They made a post in the style of an AMA (which stands for Ask Me Anything, a form of Q&A popularized by reddit). This is just another form of CARPing (Creative Anonymous Roleplaying). The first two responses are: “Will the Hillary get Pregnant again?” and “Why are you on 4chan on a Friday night?” This thread almost instantly devolves into what is commonly known as a “shitpost.” It is nonsense. You might say to yourself, “Why would someone go on the internet and tell lies?” Well, this person isn’t really lying, they are shitposting. It is a form of artistic expression. It’s an attempt to get someone to suspend their belief for a few moments. Any seasoned oldfag or /pol/tard knows exactly what this kind of thread is. No one takes this literally.

However, at the time /pol/ is growing. You’ve got new people coming in daily. Much of /pol/ favors Donald Trump, broadly for his trollish nature and memeability, but also for his politics. Months later, someone cites the AMA as the FBI source behind the Pizzagate theory. This finds its way to Twitter. No one actually understands what they are reading, and no one checks the sources. Someone actually thought a months old shitpost on /pol/ was some kind of real leak. Long story short, someone goes into a Comet Ping Pong pizza with an AR-15 and starts shooting. A Friday night shitpost turned into shooting.

Fast forward about six months.

Someone on /b/ posts a depressing green text asking for recommendations on a new cult to join after they found out their girlfriend was cheating. Someone mentions that OP should become a Tibetan monk, because Tibetan Buddhism is a really great cult (e.g. because you can “light yourself on fire if you ever get too depressed OP”). Tibetan Buddhism goes on forever because the Dalia Llama gets reincarnated infinitely, so maybe if you are lucky you get to be him one day. This is the thinking. This isn’t exactly enlighted discussion. I respond suggesting that I have a great new cult that OP can join (which is loosely based on Heaven’s Gate, I’m just making this up on the spot). I had recently listened to a podcast about Heaven’s Gate and I was riffing on it. I loved the absurdity. OP asked for more sauce, but I decided to start a new thread instead.

Warning: This about to get really nerdy.

I started writing some shitposts with pseudo biblical writing, talking about saving humanity. I’m actually more embarrassed about it now than anything, as it was not my finest work. I would refer to “the awakening” as being the time when I would deliver the evidence that would let people “wake up” and realize we were in a simulation. Have you ever seen the Matrix? Yeah, like I said… not my finest work. I signed my posts as Q. Where did Q come from?

Well, initially, because of John de Lancie’s character of Q on Star Trek: The Next Generation. The character of Q was omnipotent and omnipresent. In the show he would speak to Captain Picard of the U.S.S. Enterprise in his own form of strange riddles. Q took a particular interest in humanity as a whole and would appear as a jester-like sort of mix between an anti-hero and anti-villain, always giving Picard hints on how to expand his mind to solve a problem, usually to save all of humanity. So, this was my model.

The goal was to get a few believers and then set a date a few weeks later and reveal “the awakening.” The Awakening was supposed to end with copypasta. It was a bamboozle. I was trolling, and I never even finished it because I got bored with it. Most people could see through it (fake and gay) anyway. But someone was watching. Someone who likely called me fag and told me to choke on a bunch of dicks and kill myself was watching.

A few months later I start to see the first “Q” posts, which would eventually be called “Q Drops.” It migrates from /b/ to /pol/. Wow, so original. You took one poo poo idea from /b/ and made it political. Round of applause.

This person knew exactly what I was doing, not that what I did was that original either. Star Trek is pretty popular among internet nerds. But this is why Q has always talked the way he does. This was the model. This is where Q comes from. The “Q Clearance” stuff that came later is, well… coincidence. But not even a good coincidence because it doesn’t even really make sense, as that is a clearance for the Department of Energy.

The Q from Star Trek also exits as what is known as the “Q Continuum”, where there are other omnipotent beings, and everyone is referred to as Q. This is where the habit of Q referring to himself as “we” comes from. It’s a Star Trek fan, just like me—only one who managed to make a piece of creative anonymous fiction into something political. Likely for lulz at first, because lets be real no one thought it would turn into what it has.

I suspect that Q has been played by many different people over the last couple years as the tripcode has changed, but likely all of them are Star Trek TNG fans. You can really see it in the writing and the constant talk about “humanity.” It’s also possible that the person currently playing Q is the same as the person who was shitposting in my original thread. It doesn’t even matter.

So that’s it. That’s Q. Q eventually moved from 4chan to 8chan and then 8kun. It should be obvious who controls the narrative now. There is nothing truly anonymous or secure about 8kun. We have technologies for that (i.e. tor, torrents, modern cryptography) and 8kun ain’t it. QAnon is the cash cow for the pig farmer and his son in the Philippines who run 8kun, giving a platform to future terrorists and pedophiles. There is a reason for “no outside comms” and “no dates”—control the narrative and keep the machine rolling as long as possible. Why? Money. Between ad revenue and merchandise QAnon is now a profitable venture. Even a broken clock is right twice a day, and eventually you will make some prediction that will feel real enough, even if 99% of everything you say is bullshit, and keep the train running. In fact, it’s much easier than you think.

Real long winded, yeah.

Test Pattern
Dec 20, 2007

Keep scrolling, clod!

Dr. Killjoy posted:

Curious, how do the bog standard Republican Pro Israel Q-types and the outright antisemitic conspiratorial Q-types gel with each other? Outright hostility like the gulf between the fundies and the New Agers or are they more amicable?

They resolve it in one of three ways: (1) Q mostly uses code-words for Jews or name particular Jews (globalists, Soros, lizard people, THEM), and the covert Jew-haters get to say "they don't mean Jews, they mean those LITERALLY" or "they just mean THOSE PARTICULAR Jews"; (2) Not the real Jews/Khazar nonsense/Christian Identity nonsense, etc.; or (3) the usual anti-Semitic/Christian Zionist doublethink where Jews are bad, killed Christ, etc. BUT ALSO Muslims are much worse AND the sooner all the Jews are in Israel, the sooner Jesus will come back and kill them all.

New Yorp New Yorp
Jul 18, 2003

Only in Kenya.
Pillbug

Test Pattern posted:

They resolve it in one of three ways: (1) Q mostly uses code-words for Jews or name particular Jews (globalists, Soros, lizard people, THEM), and the covert Jew-haters get to say "they don't mean Jews, they mean those LITERALLY" or "they just mean THOSE PARTICULAR Jews"; (2) Not the real Jews/Khazar nonsense/Christian Identity nonsense, etc.; or (3) the usual anti-Semitic/Christian Zionist doublethink where Jews are bad, killed Christ, etc. BUT ALSO Muslims are much worse AND the sooner all the Jews are in Israel, the sooner Jesus will come back and kill them all.

My daily circuit of the conspiracy theory circles is always a nice reminder that I, as a jew, should never mention that to strangers. At best, I'm a fake (i.e. ashkenazi) jew. At worst, I'm a part-reptilian inhuman monster who wants to bathe in the blood of Christians.

Time Crisis Actor
Apr 28, 2002

by Hand Knit
Well poo poo. I never thought it would happen to me, but one of my friends just started sharing Qanon-adjacent stuff, including that bullshit “Panda eyes” post, and a link which just says “Pizzagate is real”. The worst part is that he works for the federal government in a sensitive position.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

New Yorp New Yorp posted:

My daily circuit of the conspiracy theory circles is always a nice reminder that I, as a jew, should never mention that to strangers. At best, I'm a fake (i.e. ashkenazi) jew. At worst, I'm a part-reptilian inhuman monster who wants to bathe in the blood of Christians.

I love doing it. Makes em squirm.

Pretty good
Apr 16, 2007



Time Crisis Actor posted:

Well poo poo. I never thought it would happen to me, but one of my friends just started sharing Qanon-adjacent stuff, including that bullshit “Panda eyes” post, and a link which just says “Pizzagate is real”. The worst part is that he works for the federal government in a sensitive position.
Snitch on him

Vahakyla
May 3, 2013

Pretty good posted:

Snitch on him

Yeah that stuff isn’t appreciated by the feds.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

New Yorp New Yorp posted:

My daily circuit of the conspiracy theory circles is always a nice reminder that I, as a jew, should never mention that to strangers. At best, I'm a fake (i.e. ashkenazi) jew. At worst, I'm a part-reptilian inhuman monster who wants to bathe in the blood of Christians.

I made my profile pic on discord an Israeli flag for a few months. I was shocked with the level of racist attacks being thrust my way. How many times I was called a kyke etc is kind of insane.

Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

OwlFancier posted:

I think the best way to look at it is the way to look at most big social events, they aren't the product of a plan, they're the product of a massive amount of latent potential built up in society, which then discharges through specific outlets. As others have noted, the right wing is, well, crazy. They believe insane nonsense because their politics is predicated on it and their leaders encourage it. This is just another piece of insane nonsense that basically went viral with them.

It doesn't have to have a plan behind it or be anything special any more than any other viral thing does, it just has to click with enough people, and if you're already hopped up on satanic panic big gubbermint conspiracy rich liberals are the embodiment of evil judgement day is coming, kind of thinking, then this clicks.

I definitely agree. Essentially something like Q would have happened anyway, because the contradiction between Trump pledging to drain the swamp only to become the swamp had to be resolved somehow (other than the epiphany that "he lied and I got duped").

MadJackal
Apr 30, 2004

Sulphagnist posted:

I definitely agree. Essentially something like Q would have happened anyway, because the contradiction between Trump pledging to drain the swamp only to become the swamp had to be resolved somehow (other than the epiphany that "he lied and I got duped").

It's not like a Leftist cult sprang up after "Change You Can Believe In" didn't result in a Utopian, racially peaceful Socialist wonderland.

Reactionary / Conservative / Trumpist thinking is just totally and utterly hosed because when The Leader fails, any lie within grasping distance works as a perfect lifesaver for their worldview.

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

turnip kid posted:

Does anyone know the provenance of this COPYPASTA that's written by a person who claims to be one of many Qs? Lots of SA Mentions within:

https://pastebin.com/BsyeQe5M

This is terrific, thank you. It sounds exactly like what happened. It only answers part of the question though – it gives us the ‘inspiration’, but doesn’t tell us who the first person to post as this iteration of Q was. But looking at how terrible it all is, it seems almost certain that it was just another poo poo poster. If they were an insider trying to build a credible character, why would they make such specific and easily falsifiable predictions about Clinton and Podesta being arrested on particular days? Obvious troll. A gimmick to get likes and shares and comments and replies, or whatever the 4chan equivalent is.

I think it does matter what’s happened since then though – if someone on the trump team has this direct line to these people, that makes a difference. I’ve been looking through the posts on qmap.pub, and following some of them back to the original posts on 4chan, but it honestly hurts my eyes and my head and I’m not sure how much more I can take.

One thing I’ve noticed is after the first few days of that fragmented kind of thing, there’s a change at post 34 – the one that comes out and says “Q clearance patriot”. It’s possible that’s the point at which someone had noticed the last few days of poo poo posts pick up some traction, and deliberately take it to the next level. Or of course it was just the same person who’d had more time to develop the character. That’s more likely. I’m not even entirely sure how the ID codes work or whatever.

Either way, the gamification of it all is honestly a stroke of genius. Sending people on a treasure hunt by asking those kinds of questions (“What is the mayo clinic? who is on the board of directors? who went to the WH yesterday?”) was astonishingly effective. I doubt it was deliberate, they were probably just playing with an idea and it took off. Surely what’s happened was beyond their wildest dreams.

But there is a vulnerability in the human psyche, which all of history’s cults and religions have played into. And it’s exactly the sort of thing that a mind like Bannon would exploit. But I’m probably being a bit high-minded-ly conspiratorial myself there.

The reason I think it’s worth considering is because Trump, and a chunk of his staff and campaign, are obviously compromised. I’m not across all of the details, but look at Flynn and Turkey, whatever was happening in Ukraine and Russia, etc. the geopolitical stuff seems like it’s not entirely inconsequential. And since Q has been deliberately and systematically trying to exonerate Flynn for example, and discredit the Russia investigation... Which fox has been doing too to be fair, but it does feel fishy. And the 2016 election showed us that they are willing and able to fight dirty on the digital battlefield, shitposts and all.

I think the best bet is a Breitbart staffer or something. The political ideology, the general trollishess, the occasional (debatable) journalistic advance knowledge, the familiarity with the subculture. Maybe it’s literally just the 8kun owners at this point, or maybe they brought them back.


Time Crisis Actor posted:

Well poo poo. I never thought it would happen to me, but one of my friends just started sharing Qanon-adjacent stuff, including that bullshit “Panda eyes” post, and a link which just says “Pizzagate is real”. The worst part is that he works for the federal government in a sensitive position.

That’s why I’m here too. A girl I used to work with about 10 years ago has been posting a lot about the child sex trafficking thing. Then she started calling the George Floyd murder a hoax. I lightly engaged with one of her friends recently after he posted a pic of what I assume are DNC staffers wearing red shoes and saying they were made from the skin of dead children. So I asked about it, and he led me to a massive collection of material deeply rooted in Qannon.

gently caress it here’s the exchange:

quote:

That's an interesting album XX, thanks for sharing. Where does the red shoe thing come from specifically? And what do you think about Donald Trump making James Acosta labour secretary? And what do you make of him saying "I wish her well, frankly" about Ghisliane Maxwell yesterday?

Anytime trump appoints someone its a test... to see if theyre deep state or not. Hes done it all through his presidency. Christopher wray of the FBI is the next to go. Or mike pence. Lindsay graham is compromised imo. And when he says things like that im sure its a troll or theres a hidden message. Misspelling matter. Lot of it relates to Q drops. Have to dig to put the pieces together. Qmap.pub

Strange about Gislaine though, isn't it? She's one of the key figures in a major child sex trafficking case... I mean like he said, he used to live near them, they used to party together, he likes to have his way with women, he knew Epstien liked young girls... Is it possible he's not completely innocent too, and this was a signal to her, to try and get her not to turn on him?

Look up videos (theres multiple) from before 2016 of trump denouncing epstein and calling his island a "cess pool of god knows what"

Sure. But if he knew it was a cess pool, why didn't he say anything before then? He'd been there, he'd partied with Epstein for over 15 years, he knew full well what was going on. He's a rich and powerful guy. But it wasn't until Epstein was already under fire that he mentioned anything, and even then, it was only after he was asked. Did he cooperate with the police to help stop this sex trafficking ring which was happening right in front of him? Did he go and file a witness report?

What about you [old friend]? Does it seem odd to you that when one of the key figures in a major child sex trafficking operation is finally brought to justice, Trump just says “I used to live near her, I wish her well, frankly”? I haven’t got a particularly strong pro-trump vibe from you, I get the the impression you’re a good mum who’s more genuinely concerned about kids. The pizzagate / Q annon stuff comes from an explicitly pro-trump place though… So if he’s maybe not completely innocent, or just doesn’t really seem to care, does that raise any suspicions about any it? Isn't it weird that he knew it was a cesspool, but did nothing to help the investigations? {she's thus far failed to respond}


You have to understand history to be able to understand why now. Also timing. Public optics. People werent ready to ascend into higher conciousness then... thats why he couldnt bring it up. This os bigger than just events on earth. There are solar and galactic events occurring right now that are beyond most peoples comprehension. Like i said... you have to do your own research. I have. I know what i believe. Time will show and prove.

Oh I love history, and you're absolutely right, it's essential to understanding the present. It's all fascinating. What can you tell us about these galactic events?

Basically its all about solar flashes, alignments, and where our solar system is sitting in the galaxy. From my research we cross the galactic equator twice a year. But the 5D ascension is based on conciousness... which is a collective entity. So the more positive vibrational output the faster it speeds up the timeline if that makes any sense. Thats why mathematicians look at life as a simulation cause they cant explain the ethereal factors that exist on this planet. And every solar system abides by its own laws of physics and conciousness. Hard to explain unless you have a grasp on half these concepts already

Yeah I’ve got a grasp of these concepts, all good. Someone as materialistic and ego-driven as trump, who cares so much about status and perception of power, seems much more likely to keep us in the 3D realm rather than facilitating the 5D ascension of consciousness, doesn’t he?

ego driven - sure. But hes successful and the president of the most powerful country in the world... and worked his way there, dont let the media fool you. He works hard. Was given a lot. But also works hard. Obama was the definition of a narcissist and they gave him the nobel peace prize. You have to always look at the whole context. Trump might be materialistic but hes also giving. Countless stories, one of him paying off a families mortgage who picked him up on the side of the road. Gave black entrepreneurs loans and then ripped up the check they went to pay him back with. The best thing you can do is turn off the TV and form an opinion for yourself. I have. And its nobodys choice but ours what reality we desire to live in and ascend to, its a collective process that one man cant sway on his own...

Man it’s so true about TV. I never watch it, can’t stand it, much prefer to make up my own mind. You gotta be careful about media in general really. So when we look at Trump.. I mean, after using his father’s money to buy a building, he basically refused to pay taxes and stiffed contractors whenever he could, and still managed to bankrupt a casino. The business model of licensing out the Trump name to other properties seems to have worked well enough though.
His character was pretty well established - he bragged about assaulting women, he bragged about going back stage at the Miss universe contest, he sexualised his daughter as soon as she was born…
But by the end of the 90s he had largely drifted away. Until 2004, when Mark Burnett came along and rehabilitated his image with the Apprentice, and used TV sets to make him look like a proper mogul.
So when 2016 came along… people like Steve Bannon, were able to use groups like Cambridge Analytica, to systematically target certain media markets in key states, to give him the electoral college.
Since then, he’s openly used the presidency for his personal profit to promote his brand and bill the government. I mean, that part is good business at least. Shame it’s at the taxpayer’s expense.
I’d love to know more about this generous side you mention, where did you hear that?


Just pull up a list of all his executive orders hes written since he took office and tell me how many are negative impacting on the american people. You have to understand hes not a perfect person but hes the right person to take down the deep state and the dirty human trafficking cartel. All good things. Despite his character. Obama is a kenyan born muslim brotherhood supporter who created ISIS and race wars in the US. Among a huge list of other crimes against humanity... the bush family committed genocide and bombed their own people... but everyones on trumps back... all i gotta say is peoples "priorities" are way outta whack and "trump derangement syndrome" is a real thing.


What’s interesting is how it now seems to have come back full circle to the first Q's original intention – a literal, messianic, "heaven’s gate" style cult. And I think it's starting to suck in some more people, which could pretty easily have real world consequences. The tricky part is going to be giving these people a way out which allows them to save face. Because I don't know how much longer Trump can stay in the picture. And he's not actually necessary for these newcomers who are about bringing down the cabal to ascend to higher plane.

Bucky Fullminster fucked around with this message at 11:35 on Jul 25, 2020

pseudanonymous
Aug 30, 2008

When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.

Bucky Fullminster posted:

gently caress it here’s the exchange:



What’s interesting is how it now seems to have come back full circle to the first Q's original intention – a literal, messianic, "heaven’s gate" style cult. And I think it's starting to suck in some more people, which could pretty easily have real world consequences. The tricky part is going to be giving these people a way out which allows them to save face. Because I don't know how much longer Trump can stay in the picture. And he's not actually necessary for these newcomers who are about bringing down the cabal to ascend to higher plane.

It's neat how whenever Trump's laughably vile behavior comes up they retreat into "higher consciousness / 5d / vibrational" bullshit and then say stuff like "do your own research" or "you need to understand history" or "the optics weren't right".

It is kind of neato how the Q-anon deep state "hypothesis" allows someone to explain away anything Trump does as 8d chess and trickery and testing and moves vs the deep state, when in fact he's a failed businessman, fraudster, tax cheat, and a child rapist. But all that was just to fight the deep state or something.

Beerdeer
Apr 25, 2006

Frank Herbert's Dude
Still a lot of “Obama was a racist Muslim homosexual” in these people who claim to look at history objectively.

Parakeet vs. Phone
Nov 6, 2009
^You gotta know the "real" history, sheeple.

MadJackal posted:

It's not like a Leftist cult sprang up after "Change You Can Believe In" didn't result in a Utopian, racially peaceful Socialist wonderland.

Reactionary / Conservative / Trumpist thinking is just totally and utterly hosed because when The Leader fails, any lie within grasping distance works as a perfect lifesaver for their worldview.

You know, it's kind of interesting. I think we did kind of get that rationalizing with Obama, it's just that it got filtered through typical liberal brains and Hollywood. So we ended up with awful stuff like the adventures of best friends Obama and Biden in their sick Camaro and just everything else in that mix. Plus the constant theorizing about political capital, value of :decorum:, West Wing fantasies etc.

Q started out in a similar enough place of being a morale booster about how secretly everything was going great and one day they'd get everything they wanted, but it got dragged through conspiracy theory spaces and then evangelical spaces (which have been getting more linked anyway) and here we are.

It may also have been inevitable we'd wind up with something like Q. Conspiracy theories have always been linked but they've really been drifting into each other. Like you have Alex Jones screaming about interdimensional demons and the planets aligning and awakening new psychic power in him on top of all the usual alt-right conspiracies.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to


Any mention of Pizza = PEDOPHILES!!!

Though that second shirt is probably mocking Qanon/Pizzagate stuff.

DarklyDreaming
Apr 4, 2009

Fun scary

twistedmentat posted:



Any mention of Pizza = PEDOPHILES!!!

Though that second shirt is probably mocking Qanon/Pizzagate stuff.

Feels more like an offhand reference to this:



But when I was searching for a reference to that scene/quote I found some Q types talking about how it's proof Aubrey Plaza is part of the conspiracy so who knows.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

twistedmentat posted:

Though that second shirt is probably mocking Qanon/Pizzagate stuff.

I think it's more just a joke on the universal love of Pizza. I'd love that shirt to mock QAnon folks though.

Neo_Crimson
Aug 15, 2011

"Is that your final dandy?"

twistedmentat posted:



Any mention of Pizza = PEDOPHILES!!!

Though that second shirt is probably mocking Qanon/Pizzagate stuff.

I want that second shirt, but it'll make me look like a Pizzagater at first glance.

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

DarklyDreaming posted:

Feels more like an offhand reference to this:



But when I was searching for a reference to that scene/quote I found some Q types talking about how it's proof Aubrey Plaza is part of the conspiracy so who knows.

I'm pretty sure Aubry Plaza is too busy making every other women gay to be involved with pizzagate.


But yea, I think they're little more than just everyone loves pizza! Because that is literally the dollar bill.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

Neo_Crimson posted:

I want that second shirt, but it'll make me look like a Pizzagater at first glance.

I really dont think your average person knows what pizzagate is.

If they do see it as a pizzagate reference youll get an interesting conversation.

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin
Oh no, the ninja turtles were just grooming my entire generation.

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

MadJackal posted:

It's not like a Leftist cult sprang up after "Change You Can Believe In" didn't result in a Utopian, racially peaceful Socialist wonderland.

Reactionary / Conservative / Trumpist thinking is just totally and utterly hosed because when The Leader fails, any lie within grasping distance works as a perfect lifesaver for their worldview.

Obama is also intelligent, smooth, and charismatic, so it's not humiliating to admit someone like him conned you.

And you don't have to admit your political enemies were right about anything to admit Obama lied to you, because Republicans weren't saying "don't be fooled, he's a warmongering corporate tool who loves Reagan", they said he was an IslamoMarxist radical terrorist.

Trump on the other hand is obviously a moron, just some reality tv flim flam man who is totally unqualified, and everyone you hate told you that's exactly what he is. They can't be right, therefore he must be a superhero keeping all his campaign promises in secret!

twistedmentat
Nov 21, 2003

Its my party
and I'll die if
I want to

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

Oh no, the ninja turtles were just grooming my entire generation.

The 90s were a time were kids were rewarded with pizza.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 8 hours!
Making a big deal about Trump being the 45th just means they've accepted in their hearts that Obama was legitimately their 44th.

Zero_Grade
Mar 18, 2004

Darktider 🖤🌊

~Neck Angels~

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

Oh no, the ninja turtles were just grooming my entire generation.
:tinfoil: When everyone thought 'reptilians' meant snakes or lizards, it was actually turtles all along :tinfoil:

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

Not sure if the 'QAnon Anonymous' podcast is just standard listening in here, but episode 94: "The New Age to Q annon pipeline" (June 3) is extremely good journalism

Chuka Umana
Apr 30, 2019

by sebmojo
Never thought I'd see "good journalism" and "podcast" in the same sentence.

Euphoriaphone
Aug 10, 2006

Are there any new Q posts? I’m guessing that 99% of Q followers never even read any of the 4/8chan posts directly, but only saw them through memes and “interpreters”. Even for a tech minded person it’s not the easiest to follow the tripcodes or find the “authentic” posts. And the people that follow Q tend to be anything but tech minded.


I’d even bet most of the Facebook boomers posting Q stuff don’t know any of the “lore”, they just read it as “Trump has a plan to arrest all the politicians and celebrities you hate cause they’re all pedos.” Q may have started as a single plot thread that hooked the conspiracy minded, but now it’s effectively just a “this post was made by chud gang” stamp on right wing memes.

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

Chuka Umana posted:

Never thought I'd see "good journalism" and "podcast" in the same sentence.

... If you're being serious, that's a really weird thing to think man. It's a fantastic medium. Long form, conversational, primary source audio. The reporters get to go on a journey and we get to ride along with them, without having our eyes locked on a screen.

Please don't miss out. I don't want to turn this into PYF podcast, but honestly, there is some seriously great journalistic content out there. Start with that one at least.

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
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Chuka Umana posted:

Never thought I'd see "good journalism" and "podcast" in the same sentence.

Hello time traveler from 2005

Parakeet vs. Phone
Nov 6, 2009

Bucky Fullminster posted:

Not sure if the 'QAnon Anonymous' podcast is just standard listening in here, but episode 94: "The New Age to Q annon pipeline" (June 3) is extremely good journalism

I remember some goon somewhere chiming in a few months back that we really weren't ready for Q to turn into Satantic Panic Round 2. That episode was very unnerving to see regular conspiracy ramblings take the smallest rotation to perfectly fit into the Instagram mom blog sphere.

Bucky Fullminster
Apr 13, 2007

Parakeet vs. Phone posted:

I remember some goon somewhere chiming in a few months back that we really weren't ready for Q to turn into Satantic Panic Round 2. That episode was very unnerving to see regular conspiracy ramblings take the smallest rotation to perfectly fit into the Instagram mom blog sphere.

Yeah gently caress, they mention in the episode that the lockdowns and the Plandemic film seem to have caught a lot of these people, and I just went back and checked my friends FB page, it was exclusively cute baby photos until April 12 this year, when she posted a photo of Bill Gates and the macro "THINK - the same person that thinks the earth is overpopulated wants to save your life with a vaccine." and the comment:

quote:

I just read this beautifully written post from my girl X. This is exactly how I feel. Thank you for writing this girl its like you read my mind ❤.

"Good morning. I am, what some of you would label as a conspiracy theorist. I do not trust the government or the media. I think for myself.
I have researched some really dark and unsettling topics. The rabbit holes were creepy and scary. Am I a freak tho? NO. I care about everyone. Even about the ones who think negatively about me.
I'm a spiritual being who's not afraid to look up truth to find answers, whether it be a disturbing truth or not. I talk about spirituality and the illuminati and I'm not afraid of different perspectives or potential truth.
I keep an open mind and go with what resonates in my gut. Theres so much information bombardment on the internet. I take in what I feel is right for me.
I have noticed that others who don't see things the same way, get reactive and always have something to say that is there truth, without accepting another's truth. Comments that eventually personally insult the other from a place of ego, or "I'm right" attitude.
What even is freedom of speech anymore?
That is getting taken away at an alarming rate these days. Its everyone's God given right to speak out with their truth. Theres no need for immature insults or blasting people with ignorance. Knowledge isn't just something you learned in school, or from a book or a scientist. What we learn in school, is how to be conformed into a society that makes you work to make the rich richer. To be controlled. To be used as a number (social insurance number) to be nothing more, than a loving number for the ones who own you.
People have always relied on others to do their thinking for them in the last 100 years. Living their cookie cutter lives inside their boxes, while watching the idiot boxes with their t.v. "programming" that puts the ideas in your mind for you, so you dont have to think for yourself.
Before that, they listened to their selves and the ways of nature. They were guided by spirit. God, consciousness... however you feel. That truth Is being smothered more and more every decade. Dont forget where we came from."

The one week later came the Out of Shadows film and other Qanon links. And now we're at george floyd hoax, trump was right about the infrared, and today it's "twitter changed their terms of service to allow pedophiles".

I think I'm going to show her a screen shot of the front page of 8kun and ask if she knows what it is and what she thinks of this kind of platform.


And to be fair, satanic panic was built in to Q from the beginning wasn't it? "Evil" was there in the first few days and I'm pretty sure I saw Satan specifically mentioned in the first month or so.

Origami Dali
Jan 7, 2005

Get ready to fuck!
You fucker's fucker!
You fucker!
I now can't see the words "I've been doing some research and..." without a deep sense of dread for what will follow.

The Chairman
Jun 30, 2003

But you forget, mon ami, that there is evil everywhere under the sun

Euphoriaphone posted:

I’d even bet most of the Facebook boomers posting Q stuff don’t know any of the “lore”, they just read it as “Trump has a plan to arrest all the politicians and celebrities you hate cause they’re all pedos.” Q may have started as a single plot thread that hooked the conspiracy minded, but now it’s effectively just a “this post was made by chud gang” stamp on right wing memes.

I think that's the primary reason that Qanon's been so enduring: it fits every level of engagement in the belief, from "Trump is doing things in secret to get rid of the bad people in government" to "Trump is liberating the mole children and shutting down the adrenochrome factories" to "Trump is communing with aliens and will bring about the Age of Aquarius" and every other niche belief in between, and all of them coexist fairly peacefully because none of them actually talk to each other, just past each other about themselves and their own beliefs

Every once in a while there’s some belief that is a bridge too far for the community, like baby Q, but they’re only rejected because the other Q interpreters feel their position is being threatened; if it weren’t for them pushing back and calling it a psyop, none of the rank-and-file would be that motivated to reject it

The Chairman fucked around with this message at 04:07 on Jul 27, 2020

Pretty good
Apr 16, 2007



If you didn't come into 2020 already thoroughly inoculated against brain-rot cliches like "I've been doing my own research", "I think for myself", and "whatever happened to freedom of speech", then you're basically hosed

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