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At this point, I don't think it particularly matters who "Q" is because it's a self-sustaining enterprise now. There's a whole ecosystem of Q interpreters and Q explainers and Q prophets that have sprung up around it, so even if Trump himself had a lucid moment and got on stage to categorically deny the existence of Q or that he'd secretly executed Hillary Clinton or that he is in contact with Ashtar High Command or whatever other theories have tacked onto the original core, the Q community would just close ranks and explain to each other that denying being Q just means he's definitely Q
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Should probably start pushing the theory that Hillary Clinton is actually behind Q and the whole thing has been a false flag op to confuse the faithful and lull them into inaction thinking something is going to happen, 'any minute now'. edit: And or George Soros. Also, my bet is that Palmer Lucky was involved in Q somewhere.
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# ? Jul 24, 2020 14:17 |
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Does anyone know the provenance of this COPYPASTA that's written by a person who claims to be one of many Qs? Lots of SA Mentions within: https://pastebin.com/BsyeQe5M quote:Some of you go all the way back to the Something Awful forums and the days when platforms like IRC and ICQ still felt new. Some of you literally just joined yesterday. I am going to give you an abbreviated history of the chans as it pertains QAnon. Most people know 4chan and 8chan as the place where Q lives online, but they don’t really understand them. “No outside comms” seems to be what the 99% of QAnon understands—that these are the “official” channels where Q posts. But have you ever been there? Have you ever really gone to boards and looked at them? Some you have, but the vast, vast majority of QAnon followers have not. Perhaps that is no surprise, as they aren’t easily comprehensible. So, let’s talk briefly about three things: Something Awful, 4chan, and 8chan/8kun. And I do mean briefly. You could write a book about each of these, but we can move forward with some broad strokes that should give you the context you need to truly understand Q.
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# ? Jul 24, 2020 16:30 |
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turnip kid posted:Does anyone know the provenance of this COPYPASTA that's written by a person who claims to be one of many Qs? Lots of SA Mentions within: Without reading the link. 4 Chan was born from people who were banned from SA/found SA too restrictive. Mostly having to do with things that are reprehensible, openly posted child porn was prevalent on 4 chan for a very long time along with abudant racism and bigotry. 8 Chan was born from people who thought 4 Chan to restrictive. So, yeah, horrible people all around.
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# ? Jul 24, 2020 17:05 |
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This is the actual content, not the 4chan/8chan/SA stuff:quote:This all starts in the summer of 2016. Someone on /pol/ makes a post pretending to be someone working with “intimate knowledge” of the “Clinton case.” They made a post in the style of an AMA (which stands for Ask Me Anything, a form of Q&A popularized by reddit). This is just another form of CARPing (Creative Anonymous Roleplaying). The first two responses are: “Will the Hillary get Pregnant again?” and “Why are you on 4chan on a Friday night?” This thread almost instantly devolves into what is commonly known as a “shitpost.” It is nonsense. You might say to yourself, “Why would someone go on the internet and tell lies?” Well, this person isn’t really lying, they are shitposting. It is a form of artistic expression. It’s an attempt to get someone to suspend their belief for a few moments. Any seasoned oldfag or /pol/tard knows exactly what this kind of thread is. No one takes this literally. Real long winded, yeah.
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# ? Jul 24, 2020 17:09 |
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Dr. Killjoy posted:Curious, how do the bog standard Republican Pro Israel Q-types and the outright antisemitic conspiratorial Q-types gel with each other? Outright hostility like the gulf between the fundies and the New Agers or are they more amicable? They resolve it in one of three ways: (1) Q mostly uses code-words for Jews or name particular Jews (globalists, Soros, lizard people, THEM), and the covert Jew-haters get to say "they don't mean Jews, they mean those LITERALLY" or "they just mean THOSE PARTICULAR Jews"; (2) Not the real Jews/Khazar nonsense/Christian Identity nonsense, etc.; or (3) the usual anti-Semitic/Christian Zionist doublethink where Jews are bad, killed Christ, etc. BUT ALSO Muslims are much worse AND the sooner all the Jews are in Israel, the sooner Jesus will come back and kill them all.
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# ? Jul 25, 2020 00:43 |
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Test Pattern posted:They resolve it in one of three ways: (1) Q mostly uses code-words for Jews or name particular Jews (globalists, Soros, lizard people, THEM), and the covert Jew-haters get to say "they don't mean Jews, they mean those LITERALLY" or "they just mean THOSE PARTICULAR Jews"; (2) Not the real Jews/Khazar nonsense/Christian Identity nonsense, etc.; or (3) the usual anti-Semitic/Christian Zionist doublethink where Jews are bad, killed Christ, etc. BUT ALSO Muslims are much worse AND the sooner all the Jews are in Israel, the sooner Jesus will come back and kill them all. My daily circuit of the conspiracy theory circles is always a nice reminder that I, as a jew, should never mention that to strangers. At best, I'm a fake (i.e. ashkenazi) jew. At worst, I'm a part-reptilian inhuman monster who wants to bathe in the blood of Christians.
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# ? Jul 25, 2020 04:54 |
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Well poo poo. I never thought it would happen to me, but one of my friends just started sharing Qanon-adjacent stuff, including that bullshit “Panda eyes” post, and a link which just says “Pizzagate is real”. The worst part is that he works for the federal government in a sensitive position.
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# ? Jul 25, 2020 05:37 |
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New Yorp New Yorp posted:My daily circuit of the conspiracy theory circles is always a nice reminder that I, as a jew, should never mention that to strangers. At best, I'm a fake (i.e. ashkenazi) jew. At worst, I'm a part-reptilian inhuman monster who wants to bathe in the blood of Christians. I love doing it. Makes em squirm.
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Time Crisis Actor posted:Well poo poo. I never thought it would happen to me, but one of my friends just started sharing Qanon-adjacent stuff, including that bullshit “Panda eyes” post, and a link which just says “Pizzagate is real”. The worst part is that he works for the federal government in a sensitive position.
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# ? Jul 25, 2020 07:12 |
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Pretty good posted:Snitch on him Yeah that stuff isn’t appreciated by the feds.
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New Yorp New Yorp posted:My daily circuit of the conspiracy theory circles is always a nice reminder that I, as a jew, should never mention that to strangers. At best, I'm a fake (i.e. ashkenazi) jew. At worst, I'm a part-reptilian inhuman monster who wants to bathe in the blood of Christians. I made my profile pic on discord an Israeli flag for a few months. I was shocked with the level of racist attacks being thrust my way. How many times I was called a kyke etc is kind of insane.
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# ? Jul 25, 2020 09:51 |
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OwlFancier posted:I think the best way to look at it is the way to look at most big social events, they aren't the product of a plan, they're the product of a massive amount of latent potential built up in society, which then discharges through specific outlets. As others have noted, the right wing is, well, crazy. They believe insane nonsense because their politics is predicated on it and their leaders encourage it. This is just another piece of insane nonsense that basically went viral with them. I definitely agree. Essentially something like Q would have happened anyway, because the contradiction between Trump pledging to drain the swamp only to become the swamp had to be resolved somehow (other than the epiphany that "he lied and I got duped").
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# ? Jul 25, 2020 09:55 |
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Sulphagnist posted:I definitely agree. Essentially something like Q would have happened anyway, because the contradiction between Trump pledging to drain the swamp only to become the swamp had to be resolved somehow (other than the epiphany that "he lied and I got duped"). It's not like a Leftist cult sprang up after "Change You Can Believe In" didn't result in a Utopian, racially peaceful Socialist wonderland. Reactionary / Conservative / Trumpist thinking is just totally and utterly hosed because when The Leader fails, any lie within grasping distance works as a perfect lifesaver for their worldview.
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# ? Jul 25, 2020 10:13 |
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turnip kid posted:Does anyone know the provenance of this COPYPASTA that's written by a person who claims to be one of many Qs? Lots of SA Mentions within: This is terrific, thank you. It sounds exactly like what happened. It only answers part of the question though – it gives us the ‘inspiration’, but doesn’t tell us who the first person to post as this iteration of Q was. But looking at how terrible it all is, it seems almost certain that it was just another poo poo poster. If they were an insider trying to build a credible character, why would they make such specific and easily falsifiable predictions about Clinton and Podesta being arrested on particular days? Obvious troll. A gimmick to get likes and shares and comments and replies, or whatever the 4chan equivalent is. I think it does matter what’s happened since then though – if someone on the trump team has this direct line to these people, that makes a difference. I’ve been looking through the posts on qmap.pub, and following some of them back to the original posts on 4chan, but it honestly hurts my eyes and my head and I’m not sure how much more I can take. One thing I’ve noticed is after the first few days of that fragmented kind of thing, there’s a change at post 34 – the one that comes out and says “Q clearance patriot”. It’s possible that’s the point at which someone had noticed the last few days of poo poo posts pick up some traction, and deliberately take it to the next level. Or of course it was just the same person who’d had more time to develop the character. That’s more likely. I’m not even entirely sure how the ID codes work or whatever. Either way, the gamification of it all is honestly a stroke of genius. Sending people on a treasure hunt by asking those kinds of questions (“What is the mayo clinic? who is on the board of directors? who went to the WH yesterday?”) was astonishingly effective. I doubt it was deliberate, they were probably just playing with an idea and it took off. Surely what’s happened was beyond their wildest dreams. But there is a vulnerability in the human psyche, which all of history’s cults and religions have played into. And it’s exactly the sort of thing that a mind like Bannon would exploit. But I’m probably being a bit high-minded-ly conspiratorial myself there. The reason I think it’s worth considering is because Trump, and a chunk of his staff and campaign, are obviously compromised. I’m not across all of the details, but look at Flynn and Turkey, whatever was happening in Ukraine and Russia, etc. the geopolitical stuff seems like it’s not entirely inconsequential. And since Q has been deliberately and systematically trying to exonerate Flynn for example, and discredit the Russia investigation... Which fox has been doing too to be fair, but it does feel fishy. And the 2016 election showed us that they are willing and able to fight dirty on the digital battlefield, shitposts and all. I think the best bet is a Breitbart staffer or something. The political ideology, the general trollishess, the occasional (debatable) journalistic advance knowledge, the familiarity with the subculture. Maybe it’s literally just the 8kun owners at this point, or maybe they brought them back. Time Crisis Actor posted:Well poo poo. I never thought it would happen to me, but one of my friends just started sharing Qanon-adjacent stuff, including that bullshit Panda eyes post, and a link which just says Pizzagate is real. The worst part is that he works for the federal government in a sensitive position. That’s why I’m here too. A girl I used to work with about 10 years ago has been posting a lot about the child sex trafficking thing. Then she started calling the George Floyd murder a hoax. I lightly engaged with one of her friends recently after he posted a pic of what I assume are DNC staffers wearing red shoes and saying they were made from the skin of dead children. So I asked about it, and he led me to a massive collection of material deeply rooted in Qannon. gently caress it here’s the exchange: quote:That's an interesting album XX, thanks for sharing. Where does the red shoe thing come from specifically? And what do you think about Donald Trump making James Acosta labour secretary? And what do you make of him saying "I wish her well, frankly" about Ghisliane Maxwell yesterday? What’s interesting is how it now seems to have come back full circle to the first Q's original intention – a literal, messianic, "heaven’s gate" style cult. And I think it's starting to suck in some more people, which could pretty easily have real world consequences. The tricky part is going to be giving these people a way out which allows them to save face. Because I don't know how much longer Trump can stay in the picture. And he's not actually necessary for these newcomers who are about bringing down the cabal to ascend to higher plane. Bucky Fullminster fucked around with this message at 11:35 on Jul 25, 2020 |
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Bucky Fullminster posted:gently caress it here’s the exchange: It's neat how whenever Trump's laughably vile behavior comes up they retreat into "higher consciousness / 5d / vibrational" bullshit and then say stuff like "do your own research" or "you need to understand history" or "the optics weren't right". It is kind of neato how the Q-anon deep state "hypothesis" allows someone to explain away anything Trump does as 8d chess and trickery and testing and moves vs the deep state, when in fact he's a failed businessman, fraudster, tax cheat, and a child rapist. But all that was just to fight the deep state or something.
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# ? Jul 25, 2020 16:10 |
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Still a lot of “Obama was a racist Muslim homosexual” in these people who claim to look at history objectively.
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^You gotta know the "real" history, sheeple. MadJackal posted:It's not like a Leftist cult sprang up after "Change You Can Believe In" didn't result in a Utopian, racially peaceful Socialist wonderland. You know, it's kind of interesting. I think we did kind of get that rationalizing with Obama, it's just that it got filtered through typical liberal brains and Hollywood. So we ended up with awful stuff like the adventures of best friends Obama and Biden in their sick Camaro and just everything else in that mix. Plus the constant theorizing about political capital, value of , West Wing fantasies etc. Q started out in a similar enough place of being a morale booster about how secretly everything was going great and one day they'd get everything they wanted, but it got dragged through conspiracy theory spaces and then evangelical spaces (which have been getting more linked anyway) and here we are. It may also have been inevitable we'd wind up with something like Q. Conspiracy theories have always been linked but they've really been drifting into each other. Like you have Alex Jones screaming about interdimensional demons and the planets aligning and awakening new psychic power in him on top of all the usual alt-right conspiracies.
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# ? Jul 25, 2020 18:13 |
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Any mention of Pizza = PEDOPHILES!!! Though that second shirt is probably mocking Qanon/Pizzagate stuff.
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twistedmentat posted:
Feels more like an offhand reference to this: But when I was searching for a reference to that scene/quote I found some Q types talking about how it's proof Aubrey Plaza is part of the conspiracy so who knows.
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twistedmentat posted:Though that second shirt is probably mocking Qanon/Pizzagate stuff. I think it's more just a joke on the universal love of Pizza. I'd love that shirt to mock QAnon folks though.
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twistedmentat posted:
I want that second shirt, but it'll make me look like a Pizzagater at first glance.
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DarklyDreaming posted:Feels more like an offhand reference to this: I'm pretty sure Aubry Plaza is too busy making every other women gay to be involved with pizzagate. But yea, I think they're little more than just everyone loves pizza! Because that is literally the dollar bill.
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Neo_Crimson posted:I want that second shirt, but it'll make me look like a Pizzagater at first glance. I really dont think your average person knows what pizzagate is. If they do see it as a pizzagate reference youll get an interesting conversation.
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# ? Jul 25, 2020 21:15 |
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Oh no, the ninja turtles were just grooming my entire generation.
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MadJackal posted:It's not like a Leftist cult sprang up after "Change You Can Believe In" didn't result in a Utopian, racially peaceful Socialist wonderland. Obama is also intelligent, smooth, and charismatic, so it's not humiliating to admit someone like him conned you. And you don't have to admit your political enemies were right about anything to admit Obama lied to you, because Republicans weren't saying "don't be fooled, he's a warmongering corporate tool who loves Reagan", they said he was an IslamoMarxist radical terrorist. Trump on the other hand is obviously a moron, just some reality tv flim flam man who is totally unqualified, and everyone you hate told you that's exactly what he is. They can't be right, therefore he must be a superhero keeping all his campaign promises in secret!
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# ? Jul 26, 2020 01:46 |
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:Oh no, the ninja turtles were just grooming my entire generation. The 90s were a time were kids were rewarded with pizza.
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# ? Jul 26, 2020 08:03 |
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Making a big deal about Trump being the 45th just means they've accepted in their hearts that Obama was legitimately their 44th.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:Oh no, the ninja turtles were just grooming my entire generation.
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# ? Jul 26, 2020 13:57 |
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Not sure if the 'QAnon Anonymous' podcast is just standard listening in here, but episode 94: "The New Age to Q annon pipeline" (June 3) is extremely good journalism
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# ? Jul 27, 2020 00:51 |
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Never thought I'd see "good journalism" and "podcast" in the same sentence.
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# ? Jul 27, 2020 01:22 |
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Are there any new Q posts? I’m guessing that 99% of Q followers never even read any of the 4/8chan posts directly, but only saw them through memes and “interpreters”. Even for a tech minded person it’s not the easiest to follow the tripcodes or find the “authentic” posts. And the people that follow Q tend to be anything but tech minded. I’d even bet most of the Facebook boomers posting Q stuff don’t know any of the “lore”, they just read it as “Trump has a plan to arrest all the politicians and celebrities you hate cause they’re all pedos.” Q may have started as a single plot thread that hooked the conspiracy minded, but now it’s effectively just a “this post was made by chud gang” stamp on right wing memes.
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Chuka Umana posted:Never thought I'd see "good journalism" and "podcast" in the same sentence. ... If you're being serious, that's a really weird thing to think man. It's a fantastic medium. Long form, conversational, primary source audio. The reporters get to go on a journey and we get to ride along with them, without having our eyes locked on a screen. Please don't miss out. I don't want to turn this into PYF podcast, but honestly, there is some seriously great journalistic content out there. Start with that one at least.
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Chuka Umana posted:Never thought I'd see "good journalism" and "podcast" in the same sentence. Hello time traveler from 2005
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Bucky Fullminster posted:Not sure if the 'QAnon Anonymous' podcast is just standard listening in here, but episode 94: "The New Age to Q annon pipeline" (June 3) is extremely good journalism I remember some goon somewhere chiming in a few months back that we really weren't ready for Q to turn into Satantic Panic Round 2. That episode was very unnerving to see regular conspiracy ramblings take the smallest rotation to perfectly fit into the Instagram mom blog sphere.
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Parakeet vs. Phone posted:I remember some goon somewhere chiming in a few months back that we really weren't ready for Q to turn into Satantic Panic Round 2. That episode was very unnerving to see regular conspiracy ramblings take the smallest rotation to perfectly fit into the Instagram mom blog sphere. Yeah gently caress, they mention in the episode that the lockdowns and the Plandemic film seem to have caught a lot of these people, and I just went back and checked my friends FB page, it was exclusively cute baby photos until April 12 this year, when she posted a photo of Bill Gates and the macro "THINK - the same person that thinks the earth is overpopulated wants to save your life with a vaccine." and the comment: quote:I just read this beautifully written post from my girl X. This is exactly how I feel. Thank you for writing this girl its like you read my mind ❤. The one week later came the Out of Shadows film and other Qanon links. And now we're at george floyd hoax, trump was right about the infrared, and today it's "twitter changed their terms of service to allow pedophiles". I think I'm going to show her a screen shot of the front page of 8kun and ask if she knows what it is and what she thinks of this kind of platform. And to be fair, satanic panic was built in to Q from the beginning wasn't it? "Evil" was there in the first few days and I'm pretty sure I saw Satan specifically mentioned in the first month or so.
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# ? Jul 27, 2020 03:09 |
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I now can't see the words "I've been doing some research and..." without a deep sense of dread for what will follow.
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Euphoriaphone posted:I’d even bet most of the Facebook boomers posting Q stuff don’t know any of the “lore”, they just read it as “Trump has a plan to arrest all the politicians and celebrities you hate cause they’re all pedos.” Q may have started as a single plot thread that hooked the conspiracy minded, but now it’s effectively just a “this post was made by chud gang” stamp on right wing memes. I think that's the primary reason that Qanon's been so enduring: it fits every level of engagement in the belief, from "Trump is doing things in secret to get rid of the bad people in government" to "Trump is liberating the mole children and shutting down the adrenochrome factories" to "Trump is communing with aliens and will bring about the Age of Aquarius" and every other niche belief in between, and all of them coexist fairly peacefully because none of them actually talk to each other, just past each other about themselves and their own beliefs Every once in a while there’s some belief that is a bridge too far for the community, like baby Q, but they’re only rejected because the other Q interpreters feel their position is being threatened; if it weren’t for them pushing back and calling it a psyop, none of the rank-and-file would be that motivated to reject it The Chairman fucked around with this message at 04:07 on Jul 27, 2020 |
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If you didn't come into 2020 already thoroughly inoculated against brain-rot cliches like "I've been doing my own research", "I think for myself", and "whatever happened to freedom of speech", then you're basically hosed
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Likequote:Theres so much information bombardment on the internet. I take in what I feel is right for me.
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