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Yuns posted:Sorry but this is not generally true in modern cars that TC or SC cutting in mean that you've hosed up. Modern SC and TC systems in most cars are super intrusive and default to cut in way before it's actually dangerous. That being said. It's generally a good idea to have some level of TC/SC and most of the TC/SC shut off options in cars don't actually fully shut off but rather dial down the level of intrusion. And while ABS is great all of the time on the road there are still reasons why people pull ABS on the track and why KTM provides an option to turn it off (although modern cornering ABS probably solves most of those). Coydog posted:
Like whatever do what you want on the track. But on a street bike whatever ego boost I get from not having rider aids is canceled out by eating pavement in front of a dozen bystanders.
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the ultimate rider aid is your brain and wrist. you don't need electronics if you ride appropriately to the situation
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Apologies for starting us down this discussion. Didn't meant to derail this thread like that. I'll stop.
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Jul 23, 2020 19:32
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No, this is the cycle asylum way. It's ok.
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In the US: I'm looking for a used sport-tourer that would handle daily commuting well and also the occasional couple-day highway rides with a passenger. I'm leaning towards a Ninja 1000 as the other usual suspects (FJR, ST1300) seem boring or huge in comparison. "Adventure" bikes are way overcosted in my area so that's a non starter. Basically hey are my assumptions right or is there a bike I haven't put in for consideration?
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Springfield Fatts posted:In the US: I'm looking for a used sport-tourer that would handle daily commuting well and also the occasional couple-day highway rides with a passenger. I'm leaning towards a Ninja 1000 as the other usual suspects (FJR, ST1300) seem boring or huge in comparison. "Adventure" bikes are way overcosted in my area so that's a non starter. Multistrada 1000/1100? You should be able to find one for a decent price because they're the un-sexy Ducati nobody wants. But they're still pretty great to ride, and they aren't huge beasts.
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Springfield Fatts posted:In the US: I'm looking for a used sport-tourer that would handle daily commuting well and also the occasional couple-day highway rides with a passenger. I'm leaning towards a Ninja 1000 as the other usual suspects (FJR, ST1300) seem boring or huge in comparison. "Adventure" bikes are way overcosted in my area so that's a non starter. Vfr800, fz1, vstrom spring to mind. I don't know your definition of boring but the z1k is just a lot of buzzy power and not much else imo.
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Also:Collateral Damage posted:Is there anything the ZRX doesn't do well? (aside from "be easy to find up for sale") But, like, the VFR used to seem like it was the canonical answer to the question of "middleweight sport tourer", has anything changed to make that not the case any more?
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Razzled posted:the ultimate rider aid is your brain and wrist. you don't need electronics if you ride appropriately to the situation True, even MotoGP bikes currently don't have mailbox-avoidance capabilities.
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Yuns posted:Apologies for starting us down this discussion. Didn't meant to derail this thread like that. I'll stop. Lol don't worry, nobody's getting out the knuckle dusters - this is an argument that's been repeated every time there's been two bikers and one piece of new technology, I'm certain that people were telegraphing "AUTOMATIC TIMER ADVANCE IS FOR FANCY DANS STOP A REAL MOTORCYCLIST IS IN CHARGE OF HIS VEHICLE STOP" to each other a hundred years ago.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:True, even MotoGP bikes currently don't have mailbox-avoidance capabilities. that's why road racers are the real men
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Springfield Fatts posted:In the US: I'm looking for a used sport-tourer that would handle daily commuting well and also the occasional couple-day highway rides with a passenger. I'm leaning towards a Ninja 1000 as the other usual suspects (FJR, ST1300) seem boring or huge in comparison. "Adventure" bikes are way overcosted in my area so that's a non starter. The FJR isn't as boring as you might think (the ST1300 is, which is a shame). Stick to Gen 1 FZ1s if you look at them, the second gen bikes suck for riding comfort and you'll be filling up constantly. Add the Versys to your list if you can stomach the looks.
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Jazzzzz posted:The FJR isn't as boring as you might think (the ST1300 is, which is a shame). Stick to Gen 1 FZ1s if you look at them, the second gen bikes suck for riding comfort and you'll be filling up constantly. V-Strom is always a good contender. BMW's lineup too, though I'm not a big fan personally.
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Concours 1000 if you don’t mind 1980s tech. A used one will probably have all the good stuff stuff added already so that’s a bonus.
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Springfield Fatts posted:In the US: I'm looking for a used sport-tourer that would handle daily commuting well and also the occasional couple-day highway rides with a passenger. I'm leaning towards a Ninja 1000 as the other usual suspects (FJR, ST1300) seem boring or huge in comparison. "Adventure" bikes are way overcosted in my area so that's a non starter. There's a reasonably priced "Adventure" bike that just go posted in the marketplace...
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Springfield Fatts posted:In the US: I'm looking for a used sport-tourer that would handle daily commuting well and also the occasional couple-day highway rides with a passenger. I'm leaning towards a Ninja 1000 as the other usual suspects (FJR, ST1300) seem boring or huge in comparison. "Adventure" bikes are way overcosted in my area so that's a non starter. FJ-09 aka Tracer 900. It's relatively light and the engine is lots of fun. Or does that come with the adventure bike tax?
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Went to the local bike shop to have them recommend a place to do training and talk 125s, they didn't want to talk about the new Chinese bikes they sell (zontes?) And instead tried to push a 1999 CG125. Drum brakes, kick start, carb'd, spoked wheels and 55k miles. Think I'll go elsewhere. E: to clarify the look and feel of the bike are fine but part of me thinks a new efi/electric start etc bike with a 2 year warranty might be an easier start.
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The CG125 has 55k miles on it because it's a reliable workhorse, that's gone through tens of new learners. How many Chinese 125's do you see on Autotrader with that sort of mileage?
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Oh I agree but at 55k miles and tens of learners how many services has it had missed or bungled, what's been twisted or bent that I won't know about, how old are the tyres, what's nearing the end of its life that I won't know about until it splits or snaps? I get the benefits of buying a solid old Honda but there's also a decent chance it's a knackered old Honda. Talking about Chinese bikes: Brixton Cromwell Hanway Raw Sinnis Bomber Zontes Rocketman Lexmoto Tempest All about the same price, all similar looks. Anything to absolutely avoid?
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Jul 26, 2020 19:46
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Those all look like the fake names in an unlicensed soccer game.
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Jul 26, 2020 20:38
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Slavvy posted:Those all look like the fake names in an unlicensed soccer game.
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Jul 26, 2020 20:45
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Yep can't unsee that now
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Zontes Rocketman pitching, Bobson Dugnutt up to bat...
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Springfield Fatts posted:In the US: I'm looking for a used sport-tourer that would handle daily commuting well and also the occasional couple-day highway rides with a passenger. I'm leaning towards a Ninja 1000 as the other usual suspects (FJR, ST1300) seem boring or huge in comparison. "Adventure" bikes are way overcosted in my area so that's a non starter. Tiger 1050. Sits up tall like a trailie but is on road only so idiots in aerostitch wont drive up the price. Great motor and not much to go wrong. Plus it's got a huge aftermarket so you can put whatever you want on it. I'm biased because it's been my main ride for the last 10 years but I've enjoyed every mile.
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And so this isn't a completely unhelpful conversation: I present the only mention of lexmoto I've seen and, implicitly, my endorsement of the lexmoto: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xDfWrt7C2c
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Jul 27, 2020 01:32
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Slavvy posted:Those all look like the fake names in an unlicensed soccer game. I see you 
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Jul 27, 2020 01:48
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Tag ur self I’m for sure Scott Dourque
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i've always been Sleve McDichael
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Arson Daily posted:Tiger 1050. Sits up tall like a trailie but is on road only so idiots in aerostitch wont drive up the price. Great motor and not much to go wrong. Plus it's got a huge aftermarket so you can put whatever you want on it. I'm biased because it's been my main ride for the last 10 years but I've enjoyed every mile. Hey gently caress you I wear an aerostitch! Actually I'm looking at a Sprint ST this week, I assume same engine, anything I should look out for?
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Slavvy posted:And so this isn't a completely unhelpful conversation: I present the only mention of lexmoto I've seen and, implicitly, my endorsement of the lexmoto: Yeah I wouldn’t trust any from from 44T, like most bike journalist they are spoiled rotten by Aprilia and Ducati with sunny Italian country side rides and RSV4’s and getting their dicks sucked, so their perspective is akin to a European trust fund kid , entertaining, but heavily skewed. Not that those bikes are not poo poo but, honestly, don’t trust anything they say. I agree, I’d rather save up and get a CB250R / CB12R instead of the Chinese 125 clones, my weird love for Benellis not withstanding. I still don’t get why Yamaha won’t release the XSR155 in Europe with ABS, seems Like the perfect commuter learner stylish bike.
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Wait isn’t “Baron Von Grumble” legitimately trust fund kid? I like 44T content fwiw and find the budget bike battle series they do loving hilarious, but uhhh I’m not sure how much any bike ‘journalist’ is really to be listened to? I generally see most vehicle ‘journalism’ to be entertainment first and foremost.
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I mean, I would expect spoiled Ducati riding trust fund motorcycle journos to be biased AGAINST the Chinese bike, if anything.
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TheBacon posted:Wait isn’t “Baron Von Grumble” legitimately trust fund kid? John Hogan from Bikeworld, Ari/Zack and RyanF9 seem to be only ones that come to mind when I think about who straddles that fine line between entertainment and “real” bike journalism. Specially John, he makes a point to review outside of the glitzy bike launches.
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In addition to people already named, I kinda like TheMissendenFlyer reviews. He tends to have more dadbike reviews on his channel than most other youtubers.
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Ok clearly I wasn't obvious enough but: Chinese bikes are terrible beyond belief, only buy one if you consider it a totally expendable, disposable way to ride a bike for 6-12 months. Journalistic reviews are all worthless, unless some journalist started actually buying the bikes he reviews. E: fine I'm Mike Truk. Slavvy fucked around with this message at 05:52 on Jul 27, 2020 |
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I'm Bobson Dugnutt
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mulligan posted:John Hogan from Bikeworld, Ari/Zack and RyanF9 seem to be only ones that come to mind when I think about who straddles that fine line between entertainment and “real” bike journalism. Specially John, he makes a point to review outside of the glitzy bike launches. I like Ari/Zack and Ryan but I don’t know John, I’ll have to check him out, thanks!
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cakesmith handyman posted:Oh I agree but at 55k miles and tens of learners how many services has it had missed or bungled, what's been twisted or bent that I won't know about, how old are the tyres, what's nearing the end of its life that I won't know about until it splits or snaps? Lexmoto are owned by a UK dealer chain whose name I'm completely blanking on at the moment and are rebadged Sinnis bikes. I've heard good things about both but always with the inevitable "...for a Chinese bike" disclaimer.
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Slavvy posted:Ok clearly I wasn't obvious enough but: Chinese bikes are terrible beyond belief, only buy one if you consider it a totally expendable, disposable way to ride a bike for 6-12 months. My neighbor is shopping for a 600 for his wife next week and he's going to take me along so hopefully he's the voice of reason and I don't come back with a Dongshame Earthquake or Honka landslag.
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