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goddamnedtwisto posted:I always find the idea of polytheism, with gods running the same gamut of dumbness and badness as humans, to be much more satisfying than one big perfect bloke with a beard. Granny got struck by lightning despite never setting a foot wrong in her life? Monotheism has to tie itself in knots about the ineffability of God and His plan, polytheism shrugs and goes "Zeus got pissed last night". You can see some of that in the roots of the Abrahamic faiths where the god there is one among many at the start, and thou shalt have no other gods before me but those other guys are probably saying the same about theirs, but then as the society grew someone decided to be That One Kid when you're playing superheroes and there's actually only one God ever and He's omnipotent and knows everything and can turn invisible and can destroy cities and anyone even acknowledging other ones is doing A Heresy. Akhenaten also tried that but it worked much less well. Ms Adequate posted:I don't like this disparaging of meritocracy. I'm better at video games than other people and that makes me morally superior, end of story. e: 334CE - Goths protect the Danube against vandals. I guess it's a nightclub or something.
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Guavanaut posted:I don't know if it's the hip current theology theory but I read that there was some evidence that polytheistic societies were efforts to have multiethnic multicultural societies without pissing too many people off. Like "okay, we're the main culture, so our god is the king god, but he's not all-powerful, he's just a shouty guy like our chief, but you people came here by boat, so your god can have the oceans, that's pretty cool, and these people that grow most of our grain and pray to their harvest god, that's pretty important so they can have that" but in a much less planned and more organic way. You can see an example of this with the temple to Moguntius on Hadrian's wall. The Romans say "Oh yeah we know Moguntius, he's a servant of Apollo. We'll build you a fancy stone temple to him." And then when it goes up it's a temple to Moguntius under Apollo. And then gradually just Apollo, with the understanding that Moguntius is more of a local spirit who looks after this temple. And then eventually just Apollo. In the context of Pterry's theory of worship and power from Small Gods, it's a very interesting idea.
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Pesky Splinter posted:Three words; Metal. Gear. Economy. ℳ€₮₳₺ ₲£₳R?
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Jose posted:amazing what competent covid response can do I think this is really the least we can expect of Kier
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# ? Jul 27, 2020 19:48 |
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crispix posted:The Irish government is also sending welfare snoops to airports to strip benefits from anyone caught going on a holiday. Plague or no plague, we mustn't let down our guard against the workshy and undeserving!! Yeah so the whole thing is playing out in the media and there is pushback for it. In fairness to the Government, the idea about people going on holiday not getting Covid payments I don't mind.... Because they announced that two weeks ago. Back when you weren't supposed to travel outside the country unless it was an emergency what with the pandemic being on. And I was okay with that as people didn't need to go on holidays to Malta or the like. Where I do have the problem is employing welfare people to airports to do checks since it is super police state like. And the Government went and published a green list of countries that you can travel to without quarantine but also said "but you shouldn't go abroad." Just pick one message here guys. The part that is super Tory like is Leo going on TV and saying that he understood to be on the Covid payments you had to be looking for work. Which was never a criteria, so after that TV interview they went and edited the requirements on the website to include that. https://twitter.com/FancyVegasPro/status/1287733383175577602 The Question IRL fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Jul 27, 2020 |
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Bobby Deluxe posted:There is definitely evidence that the Romans were doing this. When they rocked up to a new place and wanted to win over the locals, they would offer to build a temple to the local deity, and then at the last minute pull a switcheroo. I wonder how much of it was earnest theology - "Oh the Britons have this goddess Sulis who sounds a lot like Minerva, they must be the same goddess" - and how much was fairly cunning propaganda/culture war - "Hey Britons, we're gonna throw up a temple to Sulis, by the way to worship her you've got to do it the way we do, in our kind of buildings, ps you're Roman now". You have to assume that it makes it considerably easier to rule over a people if you don't charge in and tear down all their temples and try to erase their way of life, instead presenting them with the fait accompli of "You'll get to live your day-to-day life just as before, but in nicer buildings, as long as you chuck some taxes our way".
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Disnesquick posted:With a finite amount of time, I wouldn't spend disproportionate amounts of energy on a battle that the right has chosen for me. By focussing more on this one issue than it deserves it is you who is telling everyone else who is suffering "nah, gently caress you". How much airtime did this one issue get compared to, e.gm the kids growing up with shrunken brains and lungs because the air is toxic? I don't think we disagree! But what I'm saying is you can't take the line of "antisemitism isn't a problem" just because acting that way makes things easier and makes the accusations easier to counter. It's the wrong way to do things, you're throwing people under the bus Like, that's why it's an effective trolling strategy - they attack the left on something that's important to us, a big part of our identity. And we have to either defend against it, or compromise our principles and stop showing support for a leftist cause and the people it affects. Which definitely is a win for the other side, because now they have an example of how we don't really care, how the left can't be trusted - and they've managed to create the division they could only claim was there before, and they'll exploit that crack. Solidarity is important, and not just for the general principle Like I said, we need to be better about it. Shut bad faith accusations down while taking the overall issue seriously, and making that stance clear to everyone. That's still exploitable, but that's just how it is with every issue. And yeah, we have a lot to focus on, so we don't have time to waste on bad faith arguments that are purely about undermining the left. But there's a right and a wrong way to do it, y'know? It's especially important when this whole mess has (by design) made people more suspicious of antisemitism claims, and could make Jewish leftists feel less welcome or less willing to talk about things it's time for max solidarity imo
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I wonder how much of it was earnest theology - "Oh the Britons have this goddess Sulis who sounds a lot like Minerva, they must be the same goddess" - and how much was fairly cunning propaganda/culture war - "Hey Britons, we're gonna throw up a temple to Sulis, by the way to worship her you've got to do it the way we do, in our kind of buildings, ps you're Roman now". You have to assume that it makes it considerably easier to rule over a people if you don't charge in and tear down all their temples and try to erase their way of life, instead presenting them with the fait accompli of "You'll get to live your day-to-day life just as before, but in nicer buildings, as long as you chuck some taxes our way". Maybe the left should try that. "Blair, eh? Have you noticed how his New Labour thing is very much like the New Economic Policy of our guy, Lenin? Pretty neat. Confusing to have two political leaders doing similar stuff, though. Let's all just keep it simple and follow one guy, called Blenin. Or Lenin, for short. You'll barely notice the difference."
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# ? Jul 27, 2020 20:11 |
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I knew this was somewhere: Buzzfeed published this in MAY 2019, almost a year before 'the leaked Labour report'. https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/leaked-emails-reveal-labours-compliance-unit-took-months-to quote:
Meanwhile, the Jezza support fund has just gone over £300k with the average donation being £18.75 and just a handful of big ones (£4500 being the largest). https://www.gofundme.com/f/47gyy-jeremy039s-legal-fund
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# ? Jul 27, 2020 20:17 |
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Jose posted:amazing what competent covid response can do The Tories and NZ First making GBS threads the bed loudly enough that even the media couldn't ignore it played a big part too. Also parliament is MMP so it won't be the total blowout polls like that would be under FPTP. Its actually not perfect because labour are okay but the greens are legitimately great and imo a labour gov in coalition with the greens will be a far better government than labour alone.
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sebzilla posted:Maybe the left should try that. Arguably the Right beat us to the punch by building a temple to neoliberalism in the sacred copse that was the Labour party.
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https://twitter.com/FT/status/1287833169388019715?s=19 Jesus CHRIST Edit:behind a pay wall of course
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# ? Jul 27, 2020 20:39 |
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Lol we hosed
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/FT/status/1287833169388019715?s=19 He’s literally trying to beat COVID with blitz spirit at this point isn’t he?
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# ? Jul 27, 2020 20:48 |
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not that interesting. saying to prepare for the possibility rather than it's accepted as inevitable. and confirming what we all knew that they'd avoid any repeat of national 'lockdown' restrictions. work from home guidance to be ditched from august 1st. but not like they'll make it mandatory to go back to the office and spend too much in Pret again. quote:British businesses were warned by Boris Johnson on Monday of the risk of a second wave of the coronavirus in the autumn, just as companies were getting ready to encourage more workers back to offices from next week.
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# ? Jul 27, 2020 20:51 |
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Gonzo McFee posted:https://twitter.com/FT/status/1287833169388019715?s=19 I mean... yeah? We all knew a second wave would hit in winter, that's the nature of the thing, the hope is that by maintaining social distancing, masks, and hand washing we can keep the peak of it low enough to avoid obliterating the NHS. The big problem is "avoiding lockdown", by which they mean "avoiding paying any more furlough money". Also the fact that he's telling businesses this, and not the public (and *still* trying the nudge unit bullshit of never presenting a clear, unambiguous message and relying on people overshooting so they can avoid the libertarian side of the party/country making GBS threads themselves)
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# ? Jul 27, 2020 20:52 |
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Oh and a random observation from the couple of shops, buses, and a tube train I've been in over the last few days - PoC are *way* more likely to be wearing a mask than white people, which I'm sure isn't an ingrained knowledge that Plod are going to use lack of a mask to gently caress with them.
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# ? Jul 27, 2020 20:54 |
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local lockdowns only in event of a second wave so everyone in those areas is properly hosed
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Also handily primes communities to get properly xenophobic about outsiders, which always helps the tories.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:They started off in Soho proper, but down at the Chinatown/Theatreland end, because they always had a pretty canny business plan of being a sex shop that wasn't one of those loving terrifying Private Shop places that stink of rollups and desperation - they gave plausible deniability for someone being in the area without frightening the horses by being on the high street. Ha! I painted the shutter last Summer for Diamond Jacks Tattoo shop, which is sandwiched inbetween two of those on Walkers Court. The guys that run them are sound enough but the clientele are all like something out of a bleak late 70s drama, and nearly all of them thought I'd be good to have a conversation with while working.
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Goldskull posted:Ha! I painted the shutter last Summer for Diamond Jacks Tattoo shop, which is sandwiched inbetween two of those on Walkers Court. The guys that run them are sound enough but the clientele are all like something out of a bleak late 70s drama, and nearly all of them thought I'd be good to have a conversation with while working. I was surprised to see what looks like a new one (or at least a recently-refurbished one) in New Malden a while ago - most of the ones in Soho have long been gentrified out, because you'd have thought of all businesses the internet would have cut into them the most. From what you say it's possible the clientele have just stuck with them for aesthetic reasons if nothing else.
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There's a meme going around Facebook of Diane Abbott saying 'Do I have to wear a mask online shopping?', which I'm pretty sure is based on The worse the situation becomes, the calmer I am about politics. Labour is eating itself, the Tories will hopefully eat themselves, and if the second wave of Covid-19 and the worst-case scenarios from a No Deal Brexit, the conditions will be perfect for the rise of the far right. I wonder if people will look back at their Spanish holiday in 2020 the same way we look at the Berlin cabaret in the 1930s: a country where people could see the clouds gathering on the horizon but chose to ignore the storm approaching.
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Lady Demelza posted:There's a meme going around Facebook of Diane Abbott saying 'Do I have to wear a mask online shopping?', which I'm pretty sure is based on The military (here) have been asked to present the government with contingency plans to deal with civilian unrest later this year/next by end of August. (There was a link somewhere but I can't find it now). Ed: here's one link on the subject but it's not the one I was thinking of. https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-army-four-way-winter-disaster-coronavirus-brexit-flu-flooding-560248 Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Jul 27, 2020 |
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Lady Demelza posted:There's a meme going around Facebook of Diane Abbott saying 'Do I have to wear a mask online shopping?', which I'm pretty sure is based on Seven loving people at least decided that this was creative and original. Left wing WoC is dumb ha ha.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Oh and a random observation from the couple of shops, buses, and a tube train I've been in over the last few days - PoC are *way* more likely to be wearing a mask than white people, which I'm sure isn't an ingrained knowledge that Plod are going to use lack of a mask to gently caress with them. Also, hopefully, that the message has been received that Covid-19 is a racist virus and will gently caress over people from ethnic minority groups far more than pasty-faced fuckers.
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kingturnip posted:Also, hopefully, that the message has been received that Covid-19 is a racist virus and will gently caress over people from ethnic minority groups far more than pasty-faced fuckers. You'd think so, but at best half of the bus drivers - the profession with the highest covid death rate in the country, by some distance - seem to be wearing them.
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If my choice was death or having to drive a bus all summer with a mask on I might choose death too.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:The military (here) have been asked to present the government with contingency plans to deal with civilian unrest later this year/next by end of August. (There was a link somewhere but I can't find it now). Yeah, I saw a brief article on the news about this, and then it seemed to drop out of coverage. Somebody commented that in light of that news, the armed forces recruitment had shown some interesting patterns over the last two years. It's generally poor military to practice to have soldiers patrolling the streets they grew up on, so perhaps the government (or the armed services) have had a pretty good idea of what might need protecting and the manpower required to do that for quite some time. And to think the Chief of Defence had to sit there calmly whilst Mark Francois challenged him to a fistfight, knowing full well that in 6 months those same politicians will be demanding his soldiers protect them from a mob.
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Say, what? Graun/uk-news/2020/jul/27/met-police-use-software-ethnic-groups-specialise-profile quote:Met uses software that can be deployed to see if ethnic groups 'specialise' in areas of crime
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Oh good, they gave Trevor Phillips the admin password for RacistBot.
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# ? Jul 27, 2020 23:37 |
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Guavanaut posted:It's no different than the US right being loving obsessed with attributing jokes that are older than me to AOC. Stolen from an ancient Greg Proops bit btw. How are people fixed for masks? I have some generic disposable ones that are fine, I tried a reusable one dad got from eBay or whatever and it's a pretty poor fit. Is there anything good out there for a bearded person wanting to look like Bane or Sub Zero?
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# ? Jul 28, 2020 00:28 |
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twitter has been so good without the brit blye checks, i hope they rally around another fake boycott soon
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If you're not subject to uniform requirements (or likely to be shot by the police for wearing one) I really do recommend a bandana, just fold it in half into a triangle and then a small extra fold along the long side, then tie it over your nose and tuck it into your shirt. Goes right over the beard and as guava noted it makes you look like an old west gunslinger which IMO is cool. I managed to get a proper mask for work but it's less comfortable and doesn't cover as well. Also you can tie it over your head which is nice if you have long hair, keeps it out of your face and that makes you look like a pirate.
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BizarroAzrael posted:Stolen from an ancient Greg Proops bit btw. We've got the ones that feel sort of silky in at work for cheap now. I'm not a fan, they sit right against your lips and it feels weird. I've spent months wearing the disposable kind every day though and I'm used to those now, have even mastered putting them on so I don't fog up my glasses. A useful skill.
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No 1966 world cup or England football team part.
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baka kaba posted:I don't think we disagree! But what I'm saying is you can't take the line of "antisemitism isn't a problem" just because acting that way makes things easier and makes the accusations easier to counter. It's the wrong way to do things, you're throwing people under the bus We've seen that defence doesn't work. As soon as the Left looked inwards and said "Oh yeah I guess we need to work on this", it was absolutely game over. The result is at least 10 years of misery and countless lives ruined. Amongst those lives are the Jewish leftists who have been alienated from their family, friends and communities because they chose to side with the Left and not the narrative. There is no right way to respond to a fake narrative. It can't be done because if it ever is done, then they will find a new point of division. No matter how much good faith you put into it, there is a billion dollars spinning a false reality for everyone else. You can be "true to yourself", sure, but that's worthless. The best way to defeat the narrative and let everyone feel safe again is to win and then smash the media machine that is causing these divisions in the first place. The Left let itself get dragged into a fight that is impossible to win, when it could have been fighting on other fronts, and bringing in far more votes than it lost over this, in the form of non-voters. That failure means hundreds of thousands of young lives absolutely destroyed. That is the price of this failure and compared to that I could not give even one solitary fraction of a gently caress for the idiots who thought Corbyn was out to get them. Edit: This aggression isn't directed at you, by the way, but I fundamentally disagree that the Left could ever have done anything in a fight that was always going to be defensive. The left must be absolutely certain in itself to win and spending time, during a shooting war, on the kind of introspection, is a guaranteed loss. "they've managed to create the division they could only claim was there before, and they'll exploit that crack." I'm afraid they had the ability to create this particular division no matter what the Left did; the resources available to the right are immense. Active Quasar fucked around with this message at 07:10 on Jul 28, 2020 |
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While it's nice - albeit unnecessary - for the council to have my road resurfaced, I'm not sure the contractors need to start rolling their machines that literally vibrate the entire house down the road at 7:30am when I'm on Annual Leave.
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kingturnip posted:While it's nice - albeit unnecessary - for the council to have my road resurfaced, I'm not sure the contractors need to start rolling their machines that literally vibrate the entire house down the road at 7:30am when I'm on Annual Leave. The resurfacing / removal of scaffolding outside my window appears to start at 8am every day, continue until 11am and then stop until tomorrow. whhhhyyyyyyyyy
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They've been stripping the deadly cladding off my flat every morning at 8 sharp since the week lockdown started. It's torture.
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