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Dogshit And cycle helmets together, this is going to be fun. An exquisite snipe. In 1336 Aberdeen was burned down. Presumably it took a while to notice it was only slightly darker grey. ro5s fucked around with this message at 12:38 on Jul 28, 2020 |
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https://twitter.com/GlumBird/status/1288063030195032064 Focus is entirely on Scotland but since it's the whole of the UK that had the policy of pushing the elderly with Covid into the care homes you can easily extrapolate it to the whole of the country.
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Darth Walrus posted:https://twitter.com/bylinetimes/status/1288065504872144897?s=21 Give money to their mates and fail at everything else
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Jul 28, 2020 12:42
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tommy robinson trending on twitter because he's hosed off to spain permanently before his libel case starts lol
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i think my blend all journalists/columnists party would win in a landslide https://twitter.com/NurseSayNO/status/1288057244643463172?s=20 https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1288016047753265152?s=20
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I know we're not supposed to post random weirdos from Twitter, but this guy on the bottom is such a stereotype that I laughed hard - incel looking, Musk defender, hasn't read Marx, incredibly condescending without proposing any argument. https://twitter.com/PascalLeroux/status/1287892203340206080?s=19 Also maybe some people would like those Marx courses, I dunno
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The Question IRL posted:What is up with cyclists and helmets? In the context of my post, it's about raising barriers to cycling that put people off and reduce the overall number of cyclists. Cycling is a unique mode of transport in that you need no licence, qualification, insurance etc to do it: anyone can just hop on a bike and start riding. Quite apart from the legal and financial barriers these things put up, it reinforces the unhelpful belief that cycling is a dangerous activity that requires special protective clothing to participate in and is best left to fit, aggressive men in lycra, rather than a safe and simple way to travel around that's open to everyone.
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Failed Imagineer posted:I know we're not supposed to post random weirdos from Twitter, but this guy on the bottom is such a stereotype that I laughed hard - incel looking, Musk defender, hasn't read Marx, incredibly condescending without proposing any argument. Good lord Pascal's face. He looks like a kid who said "I was born in the wrong generation. I only listen to Mercantilist shanties"
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O there was a lofty ship and a lofty ship was she And the name of that ship it was the Golden Vanity And she feared she would be taken by the Turkish Enemy For there's a finite amount of ships at sea, at sea And that's how the economy works Failed Imagineer posted:I know we're not supposed to post random weirdos from Twitter, but this guy on the bottom is such a stereotype that I laughed hard - incel looking, Musk defender, hasn't read Marx, incredibly condescending without proposing any argument. Also  https://twitter.com/PascalLeroux/status/1287947249889288197 when u definitely read marx Pistol_Pete posted:In the context of my post, it's about raising barriers to cycling that put people off and reduce the overall number of cyclists. Cycling is a unique mode of transport in that you need no licence, qualification, insurance etc to do it: anyone can just hop on a bike and start riding.   Top picture is safer than the bottom picture from a public health perspective, because there are the same number of helmet wearing people but at least 19 fewer cars on the road, 19 more people getting 20 minutes of exercise, and a few million people breathing better quality air. Perhaps people should wear helmets, but the first rule of public health club is people should but don't, and aggressive helmet campaigns with graphic imagery doesn't get you the top picture but with helmets, it gets you the bottom picture.
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https://twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1288028284303953921 Managed to boycott twitter for barely 27 minutes over a day into the two day twitter walk out.
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Funny how they never boycotted twitter over all the Nazis but the moment a famous black man days something antisemitic...
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Guavanaut posted:Perhaps people should wear helmets, but the first rule of public health club is people should but don't, and aggressive helmet campaigns with graphic imagery doesn't get you the top picture but with helmets, it gets you the bottom picture. Plus it's a basic risk assessment thing. Risk = severity x probability. I wore a helmet when I was a fit, aggressive man in cargo shorts (I hadn't discovered lycra back then) in London. Now in NL, riding my Dutch bike the probability of coming off is greatly reduced (no cars, other cyclists used to other cyclists, lower speeds, well-maintained paths), and the severity is slightly reduced (lower speeds, not going to hit a car), resulting in a risk that basically everyone here deems acceptable. The only people here who wear helmets are tourists, and "weekend cyclists" (people who don their lycra and ride for exercise/sport - including me). But even they/we use the bike paths, not the roads. For everyone else* it's just normalised as you say, not a special thing with special gear, which makes it so common and therefore safer. The only people I look worriedly at here are the ones with the low-power scooters/mopeds, which are allowed in bike lanes with no helmet. Especially the ones that have clearly been modified to go faster  *Disabled people who can't ride standard bikes can use many wheeléd options in the bike lanes too! Bobstar fucked around with this message at 13:16 on Jul 28, 2020 |
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Jose posted:Funny how they never boycotted twitter over all the Nazis but the moment a famous black man days something antisemitic... Looking forward to reading in the Spectator how the twitter walk out went next to a column by Taki arguing that the Prison Guards at Auschwitz should be commended for their brave fight against the advancing communists.
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baka kaba posted:I feel like the approach was very Corbyny, where he was never a firebrand (outside of rallies) and kind of quietly did the right thing and hoped people would act in good faith, or at least refused to make it a divisive struggle. So that narrative was left up for grabs i read somewhere that khrushchev didnt really bang the table with his shoe, it was a photoshop
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Gonzo McFee posted:Looking forward to reading in the Spectator how the twitter walk out went next to a column by Taki arguing that the Prison Guards at Auschwitz should be commended for their brave fight against the advancing communists.
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Guavanaut posted:Maybe they will be the same column and contain something like "The difference between the Black grime man and the Twitter Nazis is that the Nazis weren't really antisemitic." - Taki That sounds unrealistic for Taki. He wouldn't be talking about Nazis on Twitter.
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Jul 28, 2020 13:46
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So many people when they are behind the wheel of an automobile think of cyclists as subhuman and merrily tear past them at high speed with a space of a few inches because THEY'RE NAT EVEN PAYIN ROE-AD TAX 
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crispix posted:So many people when they are behind the wheel of an automobile think of cyclists as subhuman and merrily tear past them at high speed with a space of a few inches because THEY'RE NAT EVEN PAYIN ROE-AD TAX If I'm ever in a deep coma, all the doctors need to do is discuss loudly near me that cyclists don't pay road tax. It will penetrate far enough for me to mumble "vehicle excise duty" as I start to stir awake.
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Funnily, I never hear anyone shouting that about agricultural and horticultural vehicle exceptions, but I have heard farmers griping about cyclists.crispix posted:THEY'RE NAT EVEN PAYIN ROE-AD TAX
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Cyclist chat: Am about to become persona non grata ITT. I'm a non-cyclist (I can't 'balance' and I find all seats extremely uncomfortable to say the least - I never had a bicycle as a child.) <whine>Other kids got them for passing their 11 plus. All I got was "Well we didn't expect you to fail". </whine> Anyway, after an afternoon in Cambridge during term time some years ago with a total onslaught of cyclists coming in all directions at me seeming to be completely disregarding pedestrian crossings, traffic lights etc, I was left traumatised. Guavanaut's photo up a bit (Fiets Beraard) gave me flashbacks. A friend of mine was run down by a cyclist on Oxford St, her head hit on the pavement, all her clothes ripped, and he didn't even stop. Cyclists seem to expect everyone to (a) hear their bells, (b) see them snaking between traffic, (c) be able to just jump out of the way. I think cyclists should have to pass a Highway Code test and have licence plates and insurance. If they want to smack their heads on the concrete that's up to them. But pedestrians should be able to move about safely. Corollary: It's also beholden on pedestrians to use their available senses, pedestrian crossings, "look left look right look left again" - do they still teach that to kids? - when crossing roads.
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Pertinent to bike chat; the bike voucher scheme goes live this evening. First come first served! https://fixyourbikevoucherscheme.est.org.uk/
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:I think cyclists should have to pass a Highway Code test and have licence plates and insurance. If they want to smack their heads on the concrete that's up to them. The best solution seems to be like in the Netherlands where cycle lanes are off grounds to both cars and pedestrians and cycling is more of a normal travel to work thing than an extreme sport for lycra brochads, at least within city limits. Bicycles with hub gears rather than derailer gears seem to encourage more considerate cycling, I'm not sure if that's a cultural thing or that the target market of the former is Dutch and Japanese businesspeople and students and the latter has a whole bunch of Xtreme Shimano stuff thrown in.
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Guavanaut posted:I think anything that's an impediment to cycling is on balance bad for public health, but cycling on pavements is also a danger. Does this include cycle paths that are on the pavement level as opposed to the road level? Personally I find it mildly infuriating when cyclists cycle along narrow roads when there is an adjacent cycle path and wonder if the appropriate response would be fixed penalty notices that are used to fund more cycle infrastructure.
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Boris can go first https://twitter.com/Hbomberguy/status/1287836131757821953?s=20
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Cycling on clearly marked cycle paths is fine. Cycling on the pavement is bad. Clearly marked cycle paths that are not wide enough and are on the pavement level are also bad, but it's not cyclists who are doing that.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:
You're right JA, usually I agree with you, but I am a bit cycle-biased as you know. This would be a great way to make casual cyclist go "eh, not worth it, got to do all that with a car anyway, and cars keep you warm/cool and dry". Not saying that's a reasonable or logical reaction, but it's what happens. Think of it this way - by making cycling normal and regular, and destroying the concept of "cyclist" by rolling it into "standard human", you dilute the aggressive wankers you describe 10:1, 100:1, with normal people, who will develop a better way of behaving. And more cyclists means more awareness on the part of pedestrians. E: as Guava says, you need the paths. Imagine it as 3-speed segregation (peds; bikes and similar-speed wheels; cars and similar) compared with the UK 2-speed system (peds and sometimes bikes; everything else including bikes). As an aside, I don't want people to think I'm banging on about how perfect life in Holland is like some kind of insufferable FBPE. This is still a neoliberal hell country with racism, poverty, sexism, and all the stuff we as socialists fight against. And possibly worse than the UK, people here are generally complacent with it - they believe their own hype to a far greater extent. But I will talk up the cycling til the cows come home to their perfectly manicured fields. It's a solved problem here. It just needs the central political will to enact it. Bobstar fucked around with this message at 14:31 on Jul 28, 2020 |
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Breath Ray posted:i read somewhere that khrushchev didnt really bang the table with his shoe, it was a photoshop There are fake photos, but he assuredly did bang his shoe and was otherwise well known for snorting, slamming his fist, and stamping with displeasure during other speakers.
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couple of years ago Id commute via boris bike down regent street and on the one hand it felt and was incredibly dangerous wearing a suit and school shoes and no helmet due to taxis and buses and tipper trucks and cars competing at traffic lights but on the other i definitely went through various red lights and glided down the wrong way / on the pavement from outside lillywhites to the duke of york (the statue not the pub!). BUT my personal stance was not to endanger or startle anyone while riding a bike so i wouldnt ride through red lights unless there was no one near the crossing and i wouldnt go too fast on the pavement or ring the bell. anyway i forgot where i was going with this but I did see a couple of people get on the spot fines from the police for going through red lights and yeah the fast bkes and the electric scooters are the real problem
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Yeah, requiring licensing/registration/insurance for cyclists would just immediately have the effect of "gently caress it, not worth all that". One of the main selling points of using a bike instead of a car is bikes being significantly cheaper and less hassle than a car.
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I used to bike to uni and it was just 5 minutes gliding down a very steep road, and also my brakes didn't work. I should be dead.
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According to the bank man when we opened accounts, Dutch people tend to have liability insurance (though he might just have been saying that to sell us some!), which would pay out the Big Bucks if you run into a pedestrian. Couple of Euros a month, reassuring to have. But not compulsory to cycle, obviously.
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I have the opposite experience - pedestrians spreading out in a phalanx, blocking the pavement and the cycle path so they can sneak along. Any time I cycle, I always assume any other person is the dumbest motherfucker imaginable - running into my path at a moment's notice, not looking where they're headed, or just drifting into my path as they look at their phone. That style of defensive cycling has served me very well.
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I lived in Cambridge for a few years so, of course, I got a bike and cycled everywhere. I'm a bit of a timid cyclist(and now a timid driver, sorry to everyone who has to deal with me at crossroads but beeping your horn will only make matters worse) but being able to zoom around and park up more or less wherever I want is great. I miss cycling to work and I miss the cycling culture in Cambridge, because even though there are lots of cyclists who are wankers(there are plenty of drivers and pedestrians who are wankers too, so, eh) the sheer number of cyclists and cycling infrastructure everywhere makes drivers and peds more aware of our presence in general. I don't wear a helmet though, because I'm vain and I don't like having to carry it around with me if I've just gone out to do a bit of shopping or whatever. If I end up moving to London I might start wearing it(I won't) cause cycling there sounds terrifying but driving is worse. Dedicated cycle lanes and cycle paths and cycle bridges are great. Also skirt guards should be more common, I had to order one online from the Netherlands because no loving bike shop in all of England seems to stock them.
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floofyscorp posted:I lived in Cambridge for a few years so, of course, I got a bike and cycled everywhere. I'm a bit of a timid cyclist(and now a timid driver, sorry to everyone who has to deal with me at crossroads but beeping your horn will only make matters worse) but being able to zoom around and park up more or less wherever I want is great. I miss cycling to work and I miss the cycling culture in Cambridge, because even though there are lots of cyclists who are wankers(there are plenty of drivers and pedestrians who are wankers too, so, eh) the sheer number of cyclists and cycling infrastructure everywhere makes drivers and peds more aware of our presence in general. Please wear a helmet if you're cycling in London. I don't know a single cyclist who lives there (and I know quite a few) who hasn't been hit by a car at some point.
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stev posted:I used to bike to uni and it was just 5 minutes gliding down a very steep road, and also my brakes didn't work. I should be dead. Did you buy a new bike every day or did you live at the other end of the mythical uphill both ways slope in yorkshire? Actually there's probably a capitalism analogy there. Depending on the circumstances of your birth either it's uphill both ways or just gliding 5 minutes down a very steep road.
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OwlFancier posted:Did you buy a new bike every day or did you live at the other end of the mythical uphill both ways slope in yorkshire? Most days I'd be too drunk for the walk/crawl back up the hill to bother me.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:A friend of mine was run down by a cyclist on Oxford St, her head hit on the pavement, all her clothes ripped, and he didn't even stop. Cyclists seem to expect everyone to (a) hear their bells, (b) see them snaking between traffic, (c) be able to just jump out of the way. I've had a tonne of near misses on Oxford St. Pedestrians just step out into traffic right in front of you while looking at their phones. It's a nightmare to cycle down (and just a nightmare in general tbh). Cycling on a pavement is stupid, but peds could at least glance left and right before strolling into the road.
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