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What is YISUN?
Mother
A lie we tell ourselves to have a purpose
Bliss
A paradox with no solution
Father
A strong female protagonist
The weakest thing there is and the smallest crawling thing
Creator
Everything in this miserable and hellish existence
A solution with no paradoxes
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Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

Begemot posted:

I dunno where you got the idea that Royalty is about being egoless. It is, if anything, the opposite.
Let's see:

Meti posted:

Existence and the act of combat are absolutely no different, and the essence of both, the purity of both, is a singular action, which is Cutting Down Your Opponent. You must resolve to train this action. You must become this action. Truly, there is very little else that will serve you as well in this entire cursed world.

Meti posted:

You must strive for attachment-non-attachment when cutting. Your cut must be sticky and resolute. A weak, listless cut is a despicable thing. But you must also not cling to your action, or its result. Clinging is the great error of men. A man who strikes without thought of his action can cut God.

Meti posted:

To cut properly, you must continually self-annihilate when cutting. Your hand must become a hand that is cutting, your body a body that is cutting, your mind, a mind that is cutting. You must instantaneously destroy your fake pre-present self. It is a useless hanger on.

In K6BD, Royalty is a continuous cutting motion. It is action in pure pursuit of a goal without respect to self, history, or consequence. White Chain's desire to be understood by the world the way she understands herself is inescapably a goal of ego. That doesn't make it a bad goal! It's a perfectly fine thing to want. But it isn't royal, because it involves grasping at self-concept, at the perspective of others. Part of the reason Meti was the GOAT was because she had no regard for whether or not she was recognized as the greatest.

White Chain's arc has been about her obsession with self and meaning. The conclusion that, instead of relinquishing self to achieve meaning, or relinquishing meaning to actualize herself, she can achieve both without sacrificing either, doesn't really work with that.

Put another way: that White Chain can get everything she wants personally by doing the thing she wants (i.e. punching tyrants in the face) without sacrificing either runs the exact opposite to every other character in the story. Meti wouldn't have made Maya shave her head as a lesson if she thought Maya didn't like her haircut to begin with.

Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 05:24 on Aug 3, 2020

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Nilbop
Jun 5, 2004

Looks like someone forgot his hardhat...
Juggernaut Star must be completely losing her poo poo rn

animist
Aug 28, 2018

Begemot posted:

I dunno where you got the idea that Royalty is about being egoless. It is, if anything, the opposite. The other demiurges have let their fears and preoccupations hold them back from grasping that which they truly desire. It's most obviously with Solomon, where his pride in his perfect empire has prevented him from pursuing Royalty directly.

White Chain's desire to forge her own identity was stronger than Solomon's desire to crush her like an insect. His motivation is pure hesitation, just putting off the inevitable and maintaining the status quo. White Chain's will was to cut herself into a new shape, unconstrained by the fears, expectations, and social mores that have held her back for her entire life.

i feel like "ego" is too vague a term here. do we mean, like, selfishness? self-image? the Freudian ego, rational thought that mediates between base desire and morality?

imo Royalty requires abandoning self-image and rational thought, but not selfishness. Royalty is the most selfish thing there is -- modification of reality by sheer bull-headedness. but the Self manifesting this selfishness is a much simpler thing than the "self" we spend most of our time carting around. the Self of Royalty is a dull and unadorned blade, and Royalty is a simple cutting motion.

animist fucked around with this message at 05:33 on Aug 3, 2020

Motherfucker
Jul 16, 2011

I certainly dont have deep-seated issues involving birthdays.
NOW KISS

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

W.T. Fits posted:

Yeah, she straight up said two pages before this that she doesn't have to win (under his terms) to win (achieve her goal). For her, this fight stopped being about him and his goals awhile ago.

I expect that she has not actually physically cut him and drawn blood. And I also expect that anything he'll attempt to do to her following this will fail, because she's achieved Royalty, while he can only hesitate in chasing it.

Nah, this is like shonen manga battle 101; there's a slicing line and that good ol' "flash of a decisive strike" panel plain as day.

Motherfucker
Jul 16, 2011

I certainly dont have deep-seated issues involving birthdays.
Solomon david lookin' at his fist like "Which of my dumb kung-fu powers caused THIS to happen"

Captain Oblivious
Oct 12, 2007

I'm not like other posters
Jesus christ how are people still so dense to think that Royalty matters. Zoss achieved Royalty. It was useless.

Allison White Chain and crew are doing something different now.

We literally just had these pages! You cannot destroy the wheel by mastering it!

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


Dr Subterfuge posted:

but what this post actually got me to notice is on the last page White Chain has a flame above her head, too, which I totally missed on the fist half-dozen times I looked at this set of pages.

But she always has that, its like a sign of her mastery of some kung fu bullshit

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

First thought: :stare:

Second thought: wait there's still gonna be a reason to hate this chapter

Mazerunner
Apr 22, 2010

Good Hunter, what... what is this post?
the thing i hate about this chapter is abb saying there's a thing to hate cause everyone just spills a load o hot air about nonsense on it

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

Dead Reckoning posted:

Let's see:



In K6BD, Royalty is a continuous cutting motion. It is action in pure pursuit of a goal without respect to self, history, or consequence. White Chain's desire to be understood by the world the way she understands herself is inescapably a goal of ego. That doesn't make it a bad goal! It's a perfectly fine thing to want. But it isn't royal, because it involves grasping at self-concept, at the perspective of others. Part of the reason Meti was the GOAT was because she had no regard for whether or not she was recognized as the greatest.

White Chain's arc has been about her obsession with self and meaning. The conclusion that, instead of relinquishing self to achieve meaning, or relinquishing meaning to actualize herself, she can achieve both without sacrificing either, doesn't really work with that.

Put another way: that White Chain can get everything she wants personally by doing the thing she wants (i.e. punching tyrants in the face) without sacrificing either runs the exact opposite to every other character in the story. Meti wouldn't have made Maya shave her head as a lesson if she thought Maya didn't like her haircut to begin with.

Wait, do you think that White Chain was perfectly at peace with being a woman but just didn't like having a blocky stone body? That is not what was going on at all. This has absolutely nothing to do with how she is perceived by others, it is her internal self-image and change being actualized by kung-fu magic.

The point of Royalty is to pursue what you want in a pure and relentless way, unclouded by the world around you. This is why Meti is always advising people to become noodle vendors, feeding people is a much better thing to Want than killing people. People like Solomon and Maya can only see it as a sword, but Royalty lets you achieve whatever it is that you truly desire. There's isn't some dichotomy of "royal" desires and "non-royal" desires, it's more about how you go about getting it than what it is that you want.

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


well some haters are quitting the comic because its too much anime lesbian porn for them or whatever (from the comments under the comic)

Motherfucker
Jul 16, 2011

I certainly dont have deep-seated issues involving birthdays.

Bilirubin posted:

well some haters are quitting the comic because its too much anime lesbian porn for them or whatever (from the comments under the comic)

He casts the pearls before the swine.


I for one can never get enough of that.

Reclaimer
Sep 3, 2011

Pierced through the heart
but never killed



Mazerunner posted:

the thing i hate about this chapter is abb saying there's a thing to hate cause everyone just spills a load o hot air about nonsense on it

I feel like the thing we were gonna hate was just that Allison straight up lost the tournament in the semifinals to interparty treachery, and that already happened months ago and it's just been bleated about endlessly since then.

Begemot
Oct 14, 2012

The One True Oden

Reclaimer posted:

I feel like the thing we were gonna hate was just that Allison straight up lost the tournament in the semifinals to interparty treachery, and that already happened months ago and it's just been bleated about endlessly since then.

Yeah, I think Allison being literally sidelined for the big final confrontation is the thing that was supposed to make us mad.

Dr Subterfuge
Aug 31, 2005

TIME TO ROC N' ROLL

Bilirubin posted:

But she always has that, its like a sign of her mastery of some kung fu bullshit

Yeah I'm not saying it's new, just that it's still there I guess. It surprised me once I finally noticed it.

Motherfucker
Jul 16, 2011

I certainly dont have deep-seated issues involving birthdays.
I mean allison was pretty clearly not prepared for this level of poo poo right heyah.


She nearly got her rear end kicked by KILLBOSS whats she gonna do about Solomon Dave.

A Sometimes Food
Dec 8, 2010

Fister Roboto posted:

First thought: :stare:

Second thought: wait there's still gonna be a reason to hate this chapter

She's gonna explode. And cause she went human there's no coming back.

Xand_Man
Mar 2, 2004

If what you say is true
Wutang might be dangerous


Last panel: oww my lungs OH gently caress I HAVE LUNGS

Nilbop
Jun 5, 2004

Looks like someone forgot his hardhat...
Queen of Thrones - White Chain Discovers Pooping.

Mindblast
Jun 28, 2006

Moving at the speed of death.


So... eta until Chains is converted by worms?

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




WAIT WHAT?

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

The pinnacle of cloud computing.



To the average spectator not using breathing bullshit to stop time, this is going to look like White Chain was down and out, Solomon braced himself and then suddenly a naked lady exploded out of nowhere.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




My prediction: White Chain still can't beat Solomon, but Solomon can't bring himself destroy a display of will that exceeds his own. The two accept a stalemate.

And then's shaken to the core by witnessing something beyond him, and his empire starts to fall apart as his confidence fades.

Uncle Khasim
Dec 20, 2009

akulanization
Dec 21, 2013

Captain Oblivious posted:

Jesus christ how are people still so dense to think that Royalty matters. Zoss achieved Royalty. It was useless.

Allison White Chain and crew are doing something different now.

We literally just had these pages! You cannot destroy the wheel by mastering it!

I really have to agree here, cutting Solomon doesn’t matter. The sequence is titled apotheosis, literally calling White Chain out as a new god; moving directly beyond the demiurges. No more gods of the seven part world. I like to read White Chain here as the child of Het and Prim.

Also White Chain totally breaks her own armor in panel 13.

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

akulanization posted:

I really have to agree here, cutting Solomon doesn’t matter. The sequence is titled apotheosis, literally calling White Chain out as a new god; moving directly beyond the demiurges. No more gods of the seven part world. I like to read White Chain here as the child of Het and Prim.

Also White Chain totally breaks her own armor in panel 13.

You can tell the intent was to sacrifice her shell for one good shot to his face, she just got a little more out of it than she bargained for.

Joe Slowboat
Nov 9, 2016

Higgledy-Piggledy Whale Statements



White Chain Returns from Emptiness to Subdue Evil Requiem, whom the fans will henceforth call WCRESER (not as catchy as GER).

akulanization
Dec 21, 2013

Neddy Seagoon posted:

You can tell the intent was to sacrifice her shell for one good shot to his face, she just got a little more out of it than she bargained for.

So when she said that she doesn’t need to beat him to win 2 pages ago you think she was lying?

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

The twist: White Chain draws blood, but is immediately disqualified for public indecency.

The end, no moral.

Gnome de plume
Sep 5, 2006

Hell.
Fucking.
Yes.
Would her new form be distinct from her original enough that the rules would consider her to not be the original opponent and therefore not eligible to compete?

YaketySass
Jan 15, 2019

Blind Idiot Dog
K6BD is good.

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

the rings should be falling down now, in front of the whole empire

i also don't think that dave is bleeding - white chain cut herself, not him. he's incidental, a means to an end - reduced to a sword. it really wasn't about him at all

fauna
Dec 6, 2018


Caught between two worlds...
:aaaaa:

fauna
Dec 6, 2018


Caught between two worlds...

Motherfucker posted:

He casts the pearls before the swine.


I for one can never get enough of that.

Twenty Four
Dec 21, 2008


Nilbop posted:

Queen of Thrones - White Chain Discovers Pooping.

lol

Bussamove
Feb 25, 2006

Dave's going to turn around with a tiny cut on his cheek, but since it was a shard of the shell that did it and she's technically no longer using it she'll lose by technicality.

Also dang, White Chain cute as hell.

Renaissance Robot
Oct 10, 2010

Bite my furry metal ass
HAIL TO THE NEW FLESH

fauna
Dec 6, 2018


Caught between two worlds...
we are so lucky to have this comic

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Tagichatn
Jun 7, 2009

Nilbop posted:

Queen of Thrones - White Chain Discovers Pooping.

The opposite of Enkidel.

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