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basically it's kind of the point of the entire conflict going on between the demiurges and zoss is that nobody, zoss included, actually knows the path to Royalty, they just got most of the way there and got stuck on the whole "incredible violence" thing. it's entirely possible where they are now is like a false vacuum and won't actually lead them to enlightenment anyway: they have a kind of incredible power, but it may not even be the right one, but nobody is really aware of this except maybe zoss and meti, but both are/were too polluted by all the murders, trauma, and age to try to walk another path
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Walrus Pete posted:Meti isn't qualified to teach anything but Sword Law. She'd be the first to tell you this. Meti would probably tell you she's not qualified to teach anything, and Sword Law especially.
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Who What Now posted:Meti would probably tell you she's not qualified to teach anything, and Sword Law especially.
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Dead Reckoning posted:I'm not akulanization. so did you put this much thought into the ramifications of stealing a civilian's cigarettes in iraq or was that just kind of autopilot
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Why I find this moment great is because the history of angels given to us caused a near hyper focus on the specific system of their rebirth cycle. I'm not up with all the in universe terminology so forgive me if in my processing of this event I misuse story terms. We knew that angels can be destroyed and eventually reconstitute themselves *somehow* so that was the expectation, that at some point in the story we'd witness an angel be destroyed and come back somewhere down the line. More expectations were set by discussing how destructive it was when an angel "dies," specifically how an unimaginably powerful explosion occurs. We also knew White Chain was special because she was more honest than her brothers about who she is. So if she went through her cycle again she'd come out differently than before. Whoever was talking about ego, or sense of self, I think is probably right on the money as to what happened here. White Chain was hyper focused on throwing her punch, while either maintaining an image of her true self or that was completely true to herself. I think you could argue either ideal embodies the feat of royalty that comes next. Hell, you could probably argue that she threw the punch with a lack of her previous sense of self and that too would be a valid interpretation. Maybe knowing who you are not can mean you know who you are. She shed all preconceived notions of being a mere angel as she had continuously throughout the last part of this arc literally been fighting outside of her shell in a form that was closer to who she was but still not quite a true representation of herself (is she trapped in a shell? is she a feminine astral energy-angel tethered to masculine physical shell? two separate but equally powerful beings?). She was simultaneously scratching the surface of unison with herself but still fighting with the limitation of being two equal but conflicting entities, so despite reaching new heights of power she still couldn't yet be described as royal as she was only externalizing her inner turmoil. My guess is that the old White Chain was successfully destroyed by Solomon David's punch, but instead of getting the foreshadowed explosion, White Chain threw a punch so true to herself (or so absent of her previous sense of self) that she harnessed the massive amount of destructive energy and turned it into a powerful force of creation. The shell that house the angels contains their energy, which is ultimately still whatever they are in a raw uncontrollable flame form, and White Chain was able to escape the cycle of angelic destruction and rebirth by maintaining absolute focus during her punch. I totally expected her to to just die in this fight and by certain metrics she absolutely has. Both her physical and astral shell are dead and gone. She immediately has been reborn in an unprecedented and most likely unrepeatable feat. Whatever the actual explanation is, what a rad moment. Imagine throwing a Self-Actualization Punch at a God. I wonder what happens next and I hope she manages to survive it. Mr_Moose fucked around with this message at 03:35 on Aug 4, 2020 |
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She's probably wondering where the rest of her eyes went.
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paranoid randroid posted:so did you put this much thought into the ramifications of stealing a civilian's cigarettes in iraq or was that just kind of autopilot absolute ether
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paranoid randroid posted:so did you put this much thought into the ramifications of stealing a civilian's cigarettes in iraq or was that just kind of autopilot Screw the comic, you're the real reason I follow the thread pary rando
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Walrus Pete posted:Established rules are falsehoods to be shattered, ignored, or circumvented. If you haven't figured that out by now then I don't know how to help you. E: Also, White Chain's desire to be a human woman could not be more obvious, especially when her brothers are giving her poo poo about it in Wielder of Names. This is 100% wish fulfillment for her. paranoid randroid posted:so did you put this much thought into the ramifications of stealing a civilian's cigarettes in iraq or was that just kind of autopilot Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 05:41 on Aug 4, 2020 |
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You seem really invested in knowing more about this universe than the guy who invented it.
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If you are a law robot obsessed with rules and structure you are gonna be real disappointed with this comic that has been beating us over the head with a thesis of “actually royalty is bullshit and by pursuing it you are playing by the set of rules that hosed everything up in the first place” the entire chapter. Yes, all the ink spilled over royalty WAS a red herring. Smug navel gazing about royalty has always been useless. Always. This is going about as well for you as the time you posited that Cio could never form positive relationships due the essential characteristics of devils. You were really tutting us for being Insufficiently Realistic about Race.
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Joe Slowboat posted:I think this undermines it because it pretty much says 'by being a cool person you also get the power to punch dictators' - it's boring and pat to say 'right makes might' because like... what if it doesn't? Zoss wasn't saying 'stop trying to punch the wheel into shape, because if you focus on actual growth, invention, and mutuality, you will PUNCH SO MUCH loving HARDER HELLLLL YEAAAAAAAAH' There is also the minor point that, when consumed as a webcomic, we had a break and an expectation of weight for this sequence built by things like Twitter, patreon, and the accompanying text. We also have at least right now a couple of days to really reflect on this story beat. But when this is put into a book there will just be a page to turn. If the next bit is Solomon bleeding then this sequence will be about Solomon getting beaten and White Chain’s apotheosis will kinda get shortchanged.
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It figures that when the comic goes definitively against everything Dead Reckoning was saying earlier in the thread, they would show up again to double down on it.
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Dead Reckoning posted:Something has to separate people who shake the pillars of heaven and flout physical laws from the hundred or so chumps that Solomon David punched into chili despite their skill at death matches and desire for universal power. Again, the key difference is that White Chain had already given up any hope or thought of victory. If any of the chumps in the melee were thinking "hell yeah I'm going to go get turned into paste throwing myself against an invincible god with every fiber of my being" maybe they could have done kung fu miracles too. I mean, I assume there's a certain minimum level of hardcore it takes but there were some pretty badass dudes there. Zoss sez: do not care about winning WC sez: I do not care about winning narrative: preserved like OK this arc is not necessarily a literary masterpiece but it is self consistent on the face of it
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Straight White Shark posted:like OK this arc is not necessarily a literary masterpiece u wot mate
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Outside of context it just looks like she's vaping.
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Let's just write some deep learning bs to give everyone sunglasses forever and be done with it.
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True Royalty is not violence without purpose, but purpose without violence.
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Grimwall posted:Let's just write some deep learning bs to give everyone sunglasses forever and be done with it.  
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Challenge Mode: Put sunglasses on everyone in the Siege of Yre.
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Oh man I can't wait to see 10VG's reaction face.
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MikeJF posted:Oh man I can't wait to see 10VG's reaction face. White Chain to Vigilant Gaze: "My eyes are up here."
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I have nothing to say about all this philosophical talk except COMIC GOOD.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:gently caress YES Chainsawman (rightfully) gets the hype as the best thing running in shonen these days but JJK sure as gently caress isn't a slouch either.
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nimby posted:White Chain to Vigilant Gaze: "My eyes are up here."
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A Sometimes Food posted:Chainsawman (rightfully) gets the hype as the best thing running in shonen these days but JJK sure as gently caress isn't a slouch either. Spy x Family is pretty solid, if in a very different way.
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Dead Reckoning posted:Yeah yeah, reality is a lie smiled Yisun, etc.  at dismissing one of the core themes of the comic out of hand
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Who What Now posted:
yeah i blazed through the comic over about a week and a half and gawked at the pretty pictures half the time and even i picked up on this. dr gonna dr i guess, being wrong and then doubling, tripling, and even quadrupling down on things is what he does/is for 
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nimby posted:White Chain to Vigilant Gaze: "My eyes are up here." *Looking at Chain's hair* "No, they aren't anymore."
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And even if it wasn't, why should we expect the cosmology given to us by characters within the story to be 100% accurate? Michael for instance definitely doesn't come across as a dude with a warped perspective, I bet his version of the creation story is totally trustworthy and objective
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Zoss, to Allison posted:By Names she cuts the world as she pleases and she cuts herself into greater forms still. She is not shaped by the world, but instead becomes the Shaper. Royalty is self condratictory. You must annihlate the self but hold the will to assert it. Yisun is everything, and yet is also nothing. For a small moment, WC bent the world, becoming what she wants to be not through a ritual, technique or conscious wish, but bevause her will was to strike as that person, the person she asserts herself to be, the person she has forced the world to see her rear end. She granted this to herself.
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Rigged Death Trap posted:she has forced the world to see her rear end. 
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......... Well thats not untrue is it
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Not untrue at all. It's also a glorious typo.
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I hope despite being frazzled by the turn of events, Solomon David can get himself together enough to remember to 'do the thing' and collect all his armbands or he's going to be super embarrassed. You just don't do the armband release trick and let them fall. If it's not the single largest, it at least has to be of the biggest taboos in the K6BD universe, right? Who needs a ravenous worm god to destroy your empire when the sound of a couple armbands hitting the ground annihilates the image of total perfection to the masses. On this day, egg appeared on the face of god. "There is egg on my face," spoke god, "but look, I have created a chick."
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It’s too late. The armbands are falling to earth as we speak since Ki Rata time just ended.
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