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A trick against enemy spies is to not have a single infantry unit yourself, not even dogs. Then they can't disguise themselves, and any tank or base defence will kill them without your supervision.
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Maybe the Allies are Chronosphering in the planes that drop the troops past the anti-air defence.
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Aug 12, 2020 07:44
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Love that whole intro cutscene. Yuri's dramatic turn in the oversized chair, General Vladimir shining his shoes with the US flag, the whole "bad guy" faction getting the best cutscenes is still holding true by far. Anyway, really not sure what was up with those invincible GIs by the village, I don't remember anything like that happening back in the day. And wow, those were some impressive numbers of Allied units being sent in, this definitely looks like a mission where hard difficulty makes a huge difference. Solid mission though, and a nice intro to the lovely Apocalypse Tank. If the Prism Tank is my favorite Allied unit, then the Apoc. Tank is tied with an upcoming unit for my favorite Soviet unit. Out of all the Mammoth Tank's seen (TD, RA1, and TS), RA2s version of it is the best by a mile. Crazy strong armor, a deadly main twin cannon, and finally anti-air/infantry missiles that both pack a punch and actually have some range on them. Super slow speed though but with such good hp and armor that generally doesn't matter, and they just can flat out roll over anything more or less.
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Aug 12, 2020 08:45
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What really makes the Soviet cutscenes more fun over the allies is that everyone is just chowing down on the scenery as opposed to only the President doing it in the Allies. Even Zofia is more hammy than Eva.
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Aug 12, 2020 09:03
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This was the first mission that gave me real trouble, and boy did it. I lost my conyard too. It's a hell of a difficulty spike.
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Aug 12, 2020 09:09
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Mordja posted:The alpha Soviet lab looked like this, so maybe that's why the image is the same/similar? That would explain it. Still very weird though
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Aug 12, 2020 10:55
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Mokinokaro posted:What really makes the Soviet cutscenes more fun over the allies is that everyone is just chowing down on the scenery as opposed to only the President doing it in the Allies. I am saddened you have so swiftly forgotten General Carville.
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Aug 12, 2020 11:56
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Carville chowed down on toothpicks and remains the best. I still can't believe General Carville is loving dead. And as for the quirks pointed out in this mission: your flak cannon built with half health because it was in the middle of its construction animation as the oil tech building blew up, and there is AOE explosive damage whenever those die. So even though your flak cannon was not yet clickable to see its health, it took damage that showed up once it was a functional structure. Buildings are built at full health but can be damaged in their construction animation, most commonly seen when your guys focus down new AI buildings while attacking their base. As for the invincible GI, I have seen that rarely happen on AI GIs that paradrop in. They go from the parachute animation directly to deploying and setting up sandbags when they touch the ground and, if I had to guess, there is some kind of hiccup in the transition from "can only take damage from anti-air attacks while parachuting" to "can only take damage from anti-ground attacks on the ground" and they end up in a limbo where they just don't take damage. Looking at the formation of those GIs they likely were paradropped and deployed upon landing and one of them glitched out. I'm not sure if they can be run over or not but its annoying when it happens.
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Aug 12, 2020 16:49
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Broken Box posted:And as for the quirks pointed out in this mission: your flak cannon built with half health because it was in the middle of its construction animation as the oil tech building blew up, and there is AOE explosive damage whenever those die. So even though your flak cannon was not yet clickable to see its health, it took damage that showed up once it was a functional structure. Buildings are built at full health but can be damaged in their construction animation, most commonly seen when your guys focus down new AI buildings while attacking their base. Hmm, make sense regarding the Oil Derrick. As for the paradrops, unless there's something I'm missing about the quirks of GIs, we'll see in the next video why I don't think that is necessarily correct.
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Aug 12, 2020 16:59
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Hmm, make sense regarding the Oil Derrick. Like I said, its rare-- enemy GIs do the instant deploy thing from paradrops all the time and usually die like normal, but I've encountered the glitch in skirmishes and that was always how it appeared to have happened. I've never seen other units be invincible (without legitimate cause like from the Iron Curtain) than GIs. But if there's another reason I'd be curious to see it!
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This mission taught me that is it not fun at all to be on the receiving end of prism tanks.
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You really only have Apocalypse tanks as a counter, and they're just a smidge too slow to cover everything.
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And a critical mass of Prisms will happily delete Apocs.
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Yeah, this game wasn't very big on balance. The Soviet arsenal is a lot less powerful (and fun) than the Allied one.
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Aug 15, 2020 13:46
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The allied arsenal also has a lot more of the interesting and effective quirky units while with the soviets you're going to mostly just crank out tanks.
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Mokinokaro posted:The allied arsenal also has a lot more of the interesting and effective quirky units while with the soviets you're going to mostly just crank out tanks. ... it's a big
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The allied arsenal is much more micro-intensive, though, and the basic soviet units are better for early rushes, while the better allied units are expensive and late.
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Aug 15, 2020 16:43
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Fangz posted:The allied arsenal is much more micro-intensive, though, and the basic soviet units are better for early rushes, while the better allied units are expensive and late. Which makes the Allied units more interesting, as a result.  And there's nothing to micro with enough Prisms, unless driving away from flying units count.
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Aug 15, 2020 21:24
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the hardest thing to micro is the 1-3 repair IFVs you should have in any given blob. protip: use the Guard order for the repair IFVs. they will automatically "attack" (ie repair) any valid target (ie damaged tank)
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Yeah, I found that generally a even modest sized blob of Prism Tanks just delete anything on the ground, so while they may be fragile, good luck getting anything in range of them without being blasted by a dozen refracted beams of light. Still love Apoc. Tanks though, they are just such a perfect evolution of the Mammoth Tank line, and I always and forever will love Mammoth Tanks.
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the apoc tanks are so good they even gently caress up infantry.
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UED Special Ops posted:Yeah, I found that generally a even modest sized blob of Prism Tanks just delete anything on the ground, so while they may be fragile, good luck getting anything in range of them without being blasted by a dozen refracted beams of light. Still love Apoc. Tanks though, they are just such a perfect evolution of the Mammoth Tank line, and I always and forever will love Mammoth Tanks. i seem to recall V3 rockets actually helping a bit against the prism blob, provided they stand still for a bit - iirc the V3 slightly outranges the prism tank and they can seriously gently caress them up with a direct hit another fave of mine was getting a yuri hit on one and just let them blow themselves up, but, uh, range issues
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V. Illych L. posted:i seem to recall V3 rockets actually helping a bit against the prism blob, provided they stand still for a bit - iirc the V3 slightly outranges the prism tank and they can seriously gently caress them up with a direct hit
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anilEhilated posted:Yeah, the issue you run into in this kind of situation is that the Allies have a useful air force while Soviets don't and those V3s are squishy as hell. Yeah, a handful of escorting Rocketeers just shred V3s, and if the Allies have good map vision, which is pretty easy with all their fast units and of course the Spy Satellite building, some Harriers can also fly out and pop any V3s that dare to leave the safety of the Soviet base. Flak Troopers and Apoc. Tanks can anti-air, but are slow and Harriers should be able to quickly get in and out with only modest damage. Flak Tracks are a bit more of a threat to air, but they melt vs Prism Tanks insane range, so either way is a tough to deal with.
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the thing about combined arms is, there's always a counter of some sort and rocketeers in particular are both incredibly fragile and annoying enough that you actually do want to have your inexpensive hard counter around. pound for pound, a critical mass of prism tanks is absolutely deadly and a vigilant allied player can almost certainly re-counter the soviets' very few answers to it, but if you're building the prism blob you're probably not investing in a significant force of rocketeers. harriers provoke a worse emotional reaction to me, though, so that's probably been used to greater effect
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Soviet 08: Operation: Desecration https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPw-mQYf0iA Operation: Desecration  This How-To guide on becoming a Gray Man should come quite useful in these times. Try to avoid becoming an enemy of the state, like the loathsome General [REDACTED].   Fighting in the heart of the capital... again!  Location: Washington D.C., United States of America Objective: Capture the traitor Vladimir! Briefing: Even in the hour of our greatest victory, General Vladimir had turned against us. Tempted by the soft American lifestyle, he has gone rogue and convinced many loyal communists to do the same. You must go to Washington DC and dig Vladimir out of his wretched hole. Author's note: Another mission with a multiplayer-exclusive unit, on a recurrent map. I wish there was more scripted events related to the Beacon or at least something to make the map a little more "fresh".   Name: Yuri Aliases: None Affiliation: Soviet Occupation: Premier to the Glorious Soviet Union Voiced/Played by: Udo Kier Aide/Confidant to the Premier of the Soviet Union. May not be on the up-and-up, dislikes Gen. Vladimir. Knows the meaning of "Soviet Irony." Do not tr~urk! Glorious Yuri is friend to all!  Name: Alexander Romanov Aliases: None Affiliation: Soviet Occupation: Premier of the Glorious Soviet Union [Presumed Dead] Voiced/Played by: Nicholas Worth Premier of the Soviet Union. Has a pet turtle named Harry; no dove though. A rather jovial fellow. Either has a medical condition, or is affected by Yuri by some fashion. Allegedly murdered by General Vladimir.   Desolator RANGE: Medium ARMOR: Plate WEAPON: Man-Portable "Radiation" Cannon COST: 600 Iraqi scientists have created the Desolator, a soldier that creates large areas of scorched, impassable earth. When deployed, the Desolator uses a radiation cannon to irradiate the ground around him, making it completely impassable to both infantry and light vehicles. He wears a protective suit to keep him safe from the radiation. When the Desolator is killed or undeployed, the ground he has poisoned will slowly return to normal. Author's Note: A rather unique infantry that is an absolute monster against infantry. There's only one other infantry that can deal with this, and we haven't seen him yet. Aftermath: Faster than Par Time: "Traitors beware: Your sudden and righteous attack on Washington D.C. has made your rivals fear your strategic skills." Slower than Par Time: "Vladimir has been punished for his crimes. Your victory has not gone unnoticed in this dark hour."
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Can rocketeers float over the desolators' effect or do they still melt out of the air?
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Iirc they can fly over it but his not deployed cannon can hit them
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PurpleXVI posted:Can rocketeers float over the desolators' effect or do they still melt out of the air? They can fly over safely. Its a little misleading 'cause the game doesn't mention that Desolators can damage any vehicle, its just that heavy vehicles like the Apocalypse Tank don't take as much as, say, an IFV. It also doesn't tick at the same rate as regular infantry, iirc.
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The radiation effect of deployed Desolators stack, so having a group of them walk one tile, deploy, walk another, deploy, makes them capable of burning through even heavier tanks in short order.
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Honestly never used Desolators that much, but they are an incredibly effective way to just say NO to a sizable area for infantry and lighter vehicles. Course the whole friendly fire of em does make them tricky to properly use, plus sadly they don't gain any rank-ups from being deployed. Anyway, once again I love when you play the same map again with a twist, and this one doesn't disappoint. Love the change up of being rewarded for destroying instead of repairing the various monuments and notable buildings, and that little Soviet base always showing up is great to see. The hostile Soviet forces once again have pretty vulnerable mining, but until you deal with it, expect them to pump out a good number of units, and your base location is pretty wide open minus a few bunkers. However, Apoc. Tanks just kinda crush anything and everything once they are in even modest numbers, so as long as you can survive to build them, this one isn't too hard. Do like the huge bonus area you can discover down south of the map though, shame that you pretty much have to fight through the brown Soviet base first to get it, but with the cash from it, building an Apoc. army will be easy.
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Honestly, I wouldve really enjoyed it if destroying the beqcon had flipped a few garrisoned buildings or maybe some group(s) of patrolling infantry back at vladimirs base to act as a sort of time bomb to sabotage his base a little bit.
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Aug 19, 2020 13:12
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Jobbo_Fett posted:Honestly, I wouldve really enjoyed it if destroying the beqcon had flipped a few garrisoned buildings or maybe some group(s) of patrolling infantry back at vladimirs base to act as a sort of time bomb to sabotage his base a little bit. Can you capture the beacon instead of destroying it?
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nielsm posted:Can you capture the beacon instead of destroying it? I never tried, but I assume its a building that can't be. Might have to check that out for a bonus vid.
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Aug 19, 2020 15:32
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Promotion boxes are shared between all nearby units. I bet if you rushed the hidden trucks near the Lincoln Memorial with a handful of apocs (as a challenge, just the first 2) you could turn them all elite and steamroll the map. Or maybe use them to show off, I don't know, elite V3s or something.
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Aug 19, 2020 15:53
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Radio Free Kobold posted:Promotion boxes are shared between all nearby units. I bet if you rushed the hidden trucks near the Lincoln Memorial with a handful of apocs (as a challenge, just the first 2) you could turn them all elite and steamroll the map. Or maybe use them to show off, I don't know, elite V3s or something. The eight surrounding units, to be exact (you can't get 9 affected because someone has to drive in there). So you could get 8 elite Apocs, which would just murderise everything in sight.
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God, I love that animation of infantry melting.Jobbo_Fett posted:Soviet 08: Operation: Desecration IIRC, you can actually win this mission by destroying the White House - it still counts as a victory somehow (discovered this once when checking out the collapse animation).
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Aug 19, 2020 18:43
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i always thought you were supposed to blow it up. i mean, why are we deploying apocalypse tanks, under the player's command, to washington DC, if not to loving level the place
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Aug 19, 2020 18:46
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Nostalgamus posted:God, I love that animation of infantry melting. I mean, your goal is to deal with this... non person, and dropping a building on them is certainly a way to deal with them!
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While I was never amazing at deploying them I always loved to use Desolators in skirmish because I loved the voice clips they had. That heavy breathing is forever burned into my memory
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