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it's definitely trolling, in the sense that in a sense it is true but also incredibly provocative in how it's presented We unbelievably hosed the quarantine but our medical researchers have been at the forefront of developing effective treatments and have what appears to be the leading canddiate for viable vaccine, it's just phrased in an extremely callous way to get those hate clicks
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Jul 23, 2020 23:24
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We are in the forefront, as in, this is where most of the fighting has had to occur.
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Jul 23, 2020 23:55
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what an aggressively misleading title. it's saying that the us and uk are #1 because they have more pharma research going on. interesting how they don't mention e.g. china's vaccine progress
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redleader posted:what an aggressively misleading title. it's saying that the us and uk are #1 because they have more pharma research going on. interesting how they don't mention e.g. china's vaccine progress It's the best in the world, for rich people who live in the UK part time at most.
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Valko posted:I am quite literally lost for loving words. I read this whole thread and it's basically 'The US and the UK are the two leading nations in the fight against Covid-19'. This is something you would expect from the mouth of Bojo or Trump when the handlers are distracted. I haven't even read the replies yet. Led By Donkeys have done a timeline of BoJo's response https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1282915698604376064
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trending and twitter-promoted topics and tweets in the uk are a loving ride like just open an incognito window to twitter.com sometimes. recent ones in memory are "beloved author jk rowling faces harassment after voicing feminist beliefs" and "corbyn crony out after spreading antisemitic conspiracy"
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V. Illych L. posted:peter oborne, noted conservative, has been writing fairly extensively on this, e.g. here: Thanks. I had read the first opendemocracy article you linked, but also the rebuttals that were posted at the end, and it all paints a pretty muddy picture (at least to me). The second article doesn't add much to what I already knew. It is accompanied by this https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/how-top-labour-officials-plotted-bring-down-corbyn but the rebuttals to the opendemocracy article cast quite a lot of doubt on the validity of a number of the allegations in the leaked report. So it's still unclear. As for the leaked report, quite a lot of people on the left who are happy to take the allegations about sabotage, factionalism etc at face value seem to ignore the report's conclusions about the prevalence of AS in the party. The one thing that I have become aware of recently is quite how hostile the Guardian was to Corbyn. I had thought that as a leftwing (?) paper it would be broadly sympathetic to Labour and that if it was not, there were good reasons for it. Reasons, yes, good ones, now not so sure. That said, it hasn't massively changed my view of him as a politician, and while I never thought that he was antisemitic personally, I still think he handled it badly (regardless of interference from within the party - it took him years to acknowledge the issue), and if not antisemitic himself, he certainly has a whole lot of AS friends, and a bit of a blind spot about AS on the left. Despite all that, I would choose Corbyn over Bojo and the Tories in a heartbeat, and I am staggered that there even MAY have been people in Labour who were sabotaging elections, knowing that a Tory government would result.
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the only people calling the guardian a leftwing newspaper are tories, in the same vain as the republicans calling CNN et al left wing.
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oliwan posted:the only people calling the guardian a leftwing newspaper are tories, in the same vain as the republicans calling CNN et al left wing. I suppose it’s all relative. They are critical of the Conservatives.
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therattle posted:I suppose it’s all relative. They are critical of the Conservatives. they are so critical of the conservatives that they did their best to make sure that Labour lost the election by publishing non-stop smear stories on Corbyn.
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Jul 24, 2020 18:27
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oliwan posted:they are so critical of the conservatives that they did their best to make sure that Labour lost the election by publishing non-stop smear stories on Corbyn. yeah, they publish a left-ish article here and there but when the chips are down they'll stamp out any leftie that comes close to the big leagues
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The Labour Party has a long-term problem of being made up of two fundamentally opposed groups of people; neoliberals and leftists. The neoliberals hate the leftists because they are holding the Party back; leftists can't win general elections because neoliberalism is just obviously right and everyone knows it, leftists are just naive idealists who need to either grow up and accept the real world or just join a commune somewhere. The leftists hate the neoliberals because they have perverted the Party, thinking capitalism is the best thing ever and GDP is all that matters, and are only not Conservatives because they're too socially progressive or not part of the old boys' club (and are not Lib Dems because they want to have a chance of winning). So the neoliberals are looking for something to attack the leftists for (other than for being lefists, because the unspoken rule of the Labour Party seems to be that they're not allowed to actually discuss the fundamental problem here), and found that the anti-Semitism accusations were working (after all, we all know that the crazy leftists are all anti-Semitic). The leftists running the Labour Party try to deal with it, but nothing they're doing is working (because people on both sides are undermining the whole thing and blaming each other). A bunch of the neoliberals leak some stuff to the BBC to try to prove that the leftists are evil. The leftists in charge retaliate by calling them liars and so on. The leakers sue (because that's a great way to deal with internal problems in a political party) and for some weird reason the BBC journalist gets involved with them. Meanwhile the EHRC has started their own investigation into anti-Semitism in the Labour Party, and the leftists use that as an excuse to dig up a bunch of dirt on the neoliberals, showing how they're undermining the Party and whatever, but fortunately someone high up enough has the sense not to actually publish it or use it. And then the 2019 General Election happens and proves each side correct; the neoliberals see it as proof that leftism can't win (even against a seemingly corrupt and incompetent opponent), and the leftists see it as proof that the neoliberals were sabotaging the Party (and don't mind too much about the neoliberal Conservatives being in power). Neither considering that they lost partly because they were too busy fighting each other, and partly because the background to the election was stacked heavily against them (well-connected opponent, happy to lie and cheat, plenty of media support, really simple - if deceptive - message and so on). Anyway. In the resulting internal power struggle the leftists get kicked out and the neoliberals take charge. And so some leftist (probably) decides to leak the report digging up dirt on the neoliberals. And some of those attacked in that report are now suing the Labour Party (again, because litigation is the best way to resolve internal problems in a political party) over the report - despite it not being published by the Labour Party. And now someone in the Party has leaked internal criticism of the report (written after the report was leaked) to undermine the report and help those suing over it, or maybe to give the Labour leadership more cover in settling that lawsuit as well?? All of which is going on with the background of an independent inquiry into the report (not into the original anti-Semitism accusations - we had that inquiry way-back-when and of course no one listened to it). And the on-going EHRC investigation.
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PawParole posted:The Labour Party has a long-term problem of being made up of two fundamentally opposed groups of people; neoliberals and leftists. The neoliberals hate the leftists because they are holding the Party back; leftists can't win general elections because neoliberalism is just obviously right and everyone knows it, leftists are just naive idealists who need to either grow up and accept the real world or just join a commune somewhere. The leftists hate the neoliberals because they have perverted the Party, thinking capitalism is the best thing ever and GDP is all that matters, and are only not Conservatives because they're too socially progressive or not part of the old boys' club (and are not Lib Dems because they want to have a chance of winning). Who said politics was boring?
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Captain Splendid posted:So the House of Commons twitter account deleted this: How the gently caress did they try and justify voting against that?
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Jul 24, 2020 23:53
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They don't have to justify anything, they have half a decade to smash and grab
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PawParole posted:The Labour Party has a long-term problem of being made up of two fundamentally opposed groups of people; neoliberals and leftists. The neoliberals hate the leftists because they are holding the Party back; leftists can't win general elections because neoliberalism is just obviously right and everyone knows it, leftists are just naive idealists who need to either grow up and accept the real world or just join a commune somewhere. The leftists hate the neoliberals because they have perverted the Party, thinking capitalism is the best thing ever and GDP is all that matters, and are only not Conservatives because they're too socially progressive or not part of the old boys' club (and are not Lib Dems because they want to have a chance of winning). Ok but the leftists are completely right? Why try to frame it as both sides beiong wrong here?
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fatelvis posted:How the gently caress did they try and justify voting against that? Just don't talk about it and in 5 days there'll be something else that'll grab people's attention. Which itself will be forgotten 5 days after that. That's the past 4 years in a nutshell.
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Doctor Jeep posted:yeah, they publish a left-ish article here and there but when the chips are down they'll stamp out any leftie that comes close to the big leagues it was really remarkable the complete about turn. as someone who had been reading the guardian since the blair years. so to me they'd spent almost 15 years promoting and proposing social democrat ideas, then the moment corbyn comes onto the scene in any real way they completely about turn on all those exact same ideas, which he's now proposing. he was also by far the most pro-immigrant candidate, he was precisely the guardianista candidate. they loving hated him, the guardian attacked and loathed corbyn as much as any british paper. maybe the express attacked him more cause theyr the schizophrenic english rage paper but other than that I'd put the graun at the top and as explained, he was the guardianista candidate, so the guardian spending 5 years in hysterical paroxysm was extremely effective. this was post-snowden so at this point the guardian was already partially acting as a front for the intelligence services. luckily Mi5 had an ace in the hole, a man who would lick any boot, apologise for any crime, undergo any humiliation. by chance parachuted into a safe seat the very year they would need him. Operation Spilt Jam begins
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Jul 25, 2020 13:19
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i don't know how to explain this, but the media are absolute garbage and simply cannot be trusted in any way on any topic
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Jul 25, 2020 14:00
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haha, I just remembered the time an army general said he would consider a violent coup if Corbyn ever became PM and the papers made the guy out to be some kind of hero.
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Jul 25, 2020 16:50
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Also Mike Pompeo saying that if Corbyn became PM the US would have to "take steps" and no-one from the media asking what he meant by that
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redleader posted:i don't know how to explain this, but the media are absolute garbage and simply cannot be trusted in any way on any topic It's fascinating that I'd trust almost any random pedestrian to have a useful political analysis over the vast majority of professional English language journalists. The whole profession is compromised.
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The thing is that this idea that the guardian is a left wing newspaper is so pervasive that the libs who read it think they are left wing too, or it is used as an argument to argue that there exists a varied media landscape.
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Jul 25, 2020 17:25
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antisemite Corbyn hiding his association with black supremacists!!
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Jul 25, 2020 17:30
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as someone from the US with Irish ancestry, the funniest attack on Corbyn was that he was an IRA sympathizer. it made Corbyn seem like the only reasonable politician on the whole island
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Jul 25, 2020 17:39
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The greatest is that the thing he was attacked for was talking to the IRA at all, while at the same time Maggie Thatcher was having secret talks with the IRA but denying it publicly
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Jul 26, 2020 14:43
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let's see what's in the guardian today, the most popular left-wing newspaper in the uk  (insert hagiography)  
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Jul 26, 2020 17:31
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Do people even read the guardian that much?
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Jul 26, 2020 23:51
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An insane mind posted:Do people even read No.
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An insane mind posted:Do people even read the guardian that much? No & that's why it's on the verge of death & constantly begging you for donations.
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The world needs serious, in-depth, independent journalism in these increasingly complex and challenging times. Please give The Guardian your money.
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Jul 31, 2020 11:17
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the guardian is probably the most useful institution in suppressing the left so i dont think it will go anywhere for a while
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I’ve been searching for what to have for my next tattoo.
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Aug 5, 2020 22:24
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Jose posted this in the main thread, this is very sad. It hurts to see him still try to be so positive despite all that has been done and planned to be done to the vulnerable. https://twitter.com/MorganPaulett/status/1292055171594428418?s=20
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https://twitter.com/BBCBreakfast/status/1293428127201361920 You've tried Austerity, now prepare yourselves for Austerity² Conservatives: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl1N_5wIokY
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I thought this was interesting https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/12/ppe-britain-rentier-capitalism-assets-uk-economy?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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Jarf posted:https://twitter.com/BBCBreakfast/status/1293428127201361920 So they knew this was coming and that was why the virus was suddenly 'not a big deal' and we had to all go out and shop to save the country. But of course it didn't work. So more people are dead, the virus is spiking in every other town and we went into a recession they've known had to happen anyway.
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