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bessantj posted:What if he punched the shield?
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Dan Didio posted:Doesn't Ock punch a guy's jaw clean off in Superior Spider-Man? It was Scorpion's. Which seems weird because Scorpion has similar super strength so it's like a regular human punching another regular human's jaw off.
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Aug 13, 2020 15:06
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Spider-man adjacent: Has Tony or Forge or even loving A.I.M offered Dr. Conners a robot arm? Yeah, I get it, you are a comic book scientist, you're whole shtick is regrowing limbs with lizard science magic. But if you are so obsessed with getting your arm back that your entire focus of your adult life has been to do that, what if, you just simply get a replacement robot arm? And if you really simply must get an organic, biological, grown from your own body arm, you can work on that in the meantime with two functioning arms. Be twice as fast.
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Aug 13, 2020 15:37
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It's not just about his own arm, though. If he is successful then he can help the whole world.
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Aug 13, 2020 15:45
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That would require superheroes to be interested in rehabilitation and not just locking people up in places like The Raft and Arkham
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Aug 13, 2020 15:48
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Dan Didio posted:He'd have to yield, the rules really don't allow for much leeway here. Ah, of course. Senior Woodchuck posted:Y'know that bit in Superman vs. Spider-Man where the ray that lets Spidey trade punches with Supes wears off? No I don't.
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Aug 13, 2020 16:01
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CzarChasm posted:Spider-man adjacent: Has Tony or Forge or even loving A.I.M offered Dr. Conners a robot arm? Yeah, I get it, you are a comic book scientist, you're whole shtick is regrowing limbs with lizard science magic. But if you are so obsessed with getting your arm back that your entire focus of your adult life has been to do that, what if, you just simply get a replacement robot arm? And if you really simply must get an organic, biological, grown from your own body arm, you can work on that in the meantime with two functioning arms. Be twice as fast. Honestly Doc Connors' not really obsessed with getting his arm back after that first attempt. Most of his stories revolve around trying to ride damage control on the Lizard thanks to said attempt or helping Spidey out with big brain science stuff that's not in Pete's own area of expertise, or in some cases the latter leading to the former like trying to make a chemical to get Rhino's armor off and the chemicals turning him into the Lizard again.
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Aug 13, 2020 16:08
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The Lizard is actually a terrible example for the "superheroes don't care about rehabilitation they only want to hurt and punish the underclass" hot take or whatever, because Curt Connors has been given many many second chances and they all go bad, sometimes not through his own actions, because of comic books. In his very first appearance where he accidentally turns himself into the Lizard, Spider-Man puts together a cure, reverts Connors to human form, and decides not to tell any authorities that Connors was the lizard monster they were looking for because he didn't have any control over the transformation. Connors became a recurring character in the Lee/Ditko/Romita Spider-Man books as an ally, but when he reverts back to the Lizard Spider-Man again whips up a cure and doesn't send him to the cops or anything. The third time he becomes the Lizard he's blackmailed into doing it by the mob and Spider-Man once again gives him the cure and doesn't send him to jail. This continues for years, as best as I can tell the first time Curt Connors/The Lizard ever faces any jail time is in the 1990s, when Todd McFarlane's big debut writing gig "Torment" has the Lizard mind controlled by Calypso into killing and eating people and in the aftermath his dual identity is exposed. Peter Parker appears as a witness for the defense, but Connors decides to plead guilty drop any defense motions because if he can't control the Lizard he is a public threat. At some point in the late 1990s/2000s he got slotted into the "well look who is part of this bank robbing/world beating team of villains someone has cobbled together" rotation and also he just ate people as a matter of course. He probably got sent to jail on/off panel a lot in that stretch. Millar used him in this capacity at least twice, once in MK Spider-Man and once in Civil War. More recently they keep veering back and forth on him, he's mindswapped between Lizard-but-human-brain, human-but-lizard-brain, worked for the Avengers, eaten his own son, gotten an inhibitor chip, helped someone else grow legs, turned the unstable clones of his dead family into living half lizard clones, and last I checked is back to teaching grad school and being one of Peter Parker's professors. The metal arm thing is absolutely like a "no, I want to succeed on my own terms" thing if you can ascribe motive to a character who's banged around across so many writers for so long.
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Aug 13, 2020 16:09
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Whoa sorry I joked about the Lizard in a forum thread
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Lobok posted:It was Scorpion's. Which seems weird because Scorpion has similar super strength so it's like a regular human punching another regular human's jaw off. Scorpion in fact has more super strength than Spidey, that was kind of the whole gimmick of their initial matchup. This dude's even more resilient and powerful than Spidey, and can keep up with him agility-wise, how is our hero gonna win? That kind of got forgotten over the years as they made his costume ever-more gimmicky and embarrassing.
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Aug 13, 2020 16:21
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bessantj posted:No I don't. Lex Luthor and I think Doc Ock worked together and developed a ray that temporarily granted Spider-man Superman level strength. Typical comic book crossover misunderstanding happens and Spidey and Supes fight. Then the ray wears off and Spider-man really hurts his hand punching Superman in the chest. Not enough to break it interestingly (because the other half of the comic needs to happen), so either normal Spider-man can full on punch Superman and not shatter every bone in his hand, or Spider-Sense jumped in and had him pull his punch just enough to hurt, but not do any lasting damage.
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Aug 13, 2020 17:29
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Unmature posted:Whoa sorry I joked about the Lizard in a forum thread You seem new here, and by that I mean a terrible poster
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Aug 13, 2020 17:35
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Dan Didio posted:He'd have to yield, the rules really don't allow for much leeway here. good joke
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Aug 13, 2020 17:43
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CzarChasm posted:Lex Luthor and I think Doc Ock worked together and developed a ray that temporarily granted Spider-man Superman level strength. Typical comic book crossover misunderstanding happens and Spidey and Supes fight. Then the ray wears off and Spider-man really hurts his hand punching Superman in the chest. Not enough to break it interestingly (because the other half of the comic needs to happen), so either normal Spider-man can full on punch Superman and not shatter every bone in his hand, or Spider-Sense jumped in and had him pull his punch just enough to hurt, but not do any lasting damage. So a bit like in BvS where Batman was smacking Supes around then the effect of the kryptonite wore off and Bats was doing no damage?
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Aug 13, 2020 18:06
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Lurdiak posted:Scorpion in fact has more super strength than Spidey, that was kind of the whole gimmick of their initial matchup. This dude's even more resilient and powerful than Spidey, and can keep up with him agility-wise, how is our hero gonna win? Yeah I just said similar to avoid the specifics or discussions of strength tiers because while he was created to be better in all physical attributes he seems less of a threat now, especially since Venom but also by being a foil for Captain America. Punching his jaw off seems even crazier if we're supposed to still believe that Scorpion is considerably stronger.
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Edge & Christian posted:This continues for years, as best as I can tell the first time Curt Connors/The Lizard ever faces any jail time is in the 1990s, when Todd McFarlane's big debut writing gig "Torment" has the Lizard mind controlled by Calypso into killing and eating people and in the aftermath his dual identity is exposed. Peter Parker appears as a witness for the defense, but Connors decides to plead guilty drop any defense motions because if he can't control the Lizard he is a public threat. While mostly true, I do think at one point Curt turned himself in and was sent to... let's say the Vault because Project Pegasus feels too early and the Raft too late.
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Aug 13, 2020 19:24
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Skwirl posted:A lot of things about Spider-Man are constantly in flux. He's supposed to be almost as strong as the Thing, yet struggles in fights with a lot of people who are just normal humans that work out a bunch. Sometimes his Spiders-sense is basically omniscient and other times he walks into a door. Nah, man. Last I checked (admittedly, it's been a minute) Spidey can lift around 10 tons on a good day and Ben can lift around like 80 tons
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Unmature posted:Whoa sorry I joked about the Lizard in a forum thread Alaois posted:You seem new here, and by that I mean a terrible poster Norman Osborn, the Punative Pervert of Posts and current warden of Ravenkroft Asylum, says:  "Mmmm... probate them all."  But hold on! Doc Samson the rehabilitation wizard says:  "I think a lot of people are tired of this line of conversation when, as E&C notes pretty thoroughly, it isn't really supported by the text, but the response here was a little over the line. Let's drop it and move on, leave that nutty old Lizard in peace." So I'll say-- if you say something kind of tired or wrong in BSS you just sort of have to get used to being corrected because a lot of the fun for a lot of fans is knowing the ins and outs of continuity. It's happened to everyone and taking your licks is just part of the culture I think. That being said, Alaois, tone it down like 15%, Unmature's posts were not that bad. How Wonderful! fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Aug 13, 2020 |
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Aug 13, 2020 20:58
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How Wonderful! posted:Norman Osborn, the Punative Pervert of Posts and current warden of Ravenkroft Asylum, says: It's Normin Osborne
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Dawgstar posted:While mostly true, I do think at one point Curt turned himself in and was sent to... let's say the Vault because Project Pegasus feels too early and the Raft too late.
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Happy Hippo posted:Nah, man. Last I checked (admittedly, it's been a minute) Spidey can lift around 10 tons on a good day and Ben can lift around like 80 tons Spider-Man is a "4" while Ben is a "6".  
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bessantj posted:So a bit like in BvS where Batman was smacking Supes around then the effect of the kryptonite wore off and Bats was doing no damage? Yeah, that's about right.
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Aug 13, 2020 22:10
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Spidey's a Super Medium-Weight, according to himself
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Uthor posted:Spider-Man is a "4" while Ben is a "6". You would think being an intergalactic pilot would put you a bit higher on the intelligence scale. Also Spidey's speed seems really low.
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Madkal posted:You would think being an intergalactic pilot would put you a bit higher on the intelligence scale. A 2 in intelligence is "Normal (possessing an Intelligence Quotient that is approximately average)" while a 3 is "Above Average (possessing a higher than average IQ)" so I'd say that's about right. As far as speed, 3 is defined as "Superhuman (peak range: 111-115 miles per hour)" while 4 is "Subsonic (peak range: 250-500 miles per hour)". It also defines this specifically as running or flying speed, so honestly, superhuman even seems like it would be high.
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Endless Mike posted:Good news! The card set had cards defining the power levels! Olympic sprinters run about 23 mph for 100 meters so yeah Superhuman is really loving fast.
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Cubone posted:Spidey's a Super Medium-Weight, according to himself According to OHOTMU Spidey can bench 10 tons and Ben can bench about 85 tons.
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Endless Mike posted:As far as speed, 3 is defined as "Superhuman (peak range: 111-115 miles per hour)" while 4 is "Subsonic (peak range: 250-500 miles per hour)". It also defines this specifically as running or flying speed, so honestly, superhuman even seems like it would be high. That's the peak, though. And while he doesn't tend to run or fly, his jumping and moving through the city would be pretty fast even without webs. He has incredible full-body agility, and endurance, and powerful legs so he has all the ingredients for superhuman sprinting but he's almost never shown as being capable of it. I think the MTV CG-animated series did it once where he was running and even crawling and keeping up with a car speeding down the street.
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Happy Hippo posted:According to OHOTMU Spidey can bench 10 tons and Ben can bench about 85 tons. Those handbooks have some wild ideas in them.
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Madkal posted:I'm finishing my re-read of Vaughan's run of Runaways. Are the post Vaughan Runaway comics worth checking out? Go from Vaughan's run to Vision to Rowell's run. Whedon's arc has a couple of good moments and not much else, Moore demonstrates an astounding lack of understanding of the characters, Immonen got canceled four issues into a six issue arc and her work pretty much went ignored. I've heard Avengers AI is good, but I haven't read it and all you really need to know for Runaways is that Victor has a Doombot friend now.
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I randomly stumbled on a Runaways issue where Ms. America, a gay (?) reality-jumping girl, was chasing Evil Alex Wilder and I thought I had missed quite a lot of poo poo since Civil War.
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FilthyImp posted:Ms. America, a gay (?) reality-jumping girl Just America. Or Ms. Chavez. Also: super gay. Edit: guess she does go by Miss America sometimes (according to Wikipedia). I've never seen her do that.
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She was Miss America in her first appearance.
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Madkal posted:You would think being an intergalactic pilot would put you a bit higher on the intelligence scale. Things Stamina and Durability seem super low. I thought being able to take a beating was his whole thing in the Hulk match ups. Hulk had more strength, but Ben was tougher.
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FilthyImp posted:I randomly stumbled on a Runaways issue where Ms. America, a gay (?) reality-jumping girl, was chasing Evil Alex Wilder and I thought I had missed quite a lot of poo poo since Civil War.
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Soonmot posted:Things Stamina and Durability seem super low. I thought being able to take a beating was his whole thing in the Hulk match ups. Hulk had more strength, but Ben was tougher. The classic issue with the intergalactic boxer was very much that: Ben might not be the strongest, but he'll endure pretty much just anything.  Even before that, in the Kirby and Lee days, that was Ben's thing. An unbreakable spirit (and some self hate) more than stamina. 
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Also that sequence in Secret Wars 2 where he has to run the gauntlet of super villains, and gets beat down by Juggernaut.
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Did Thor just become Galactus' herald in the most recent Cates book? Or did it happen earlier? It looks like herald Thor is coming to fortnite, which is kind of bizarre because it's been such a short run , and from what I've seen in the Marvel thread people seem to not like it.
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Fritzler posted:Did Thor just become Galactus' herald in the most recent Cates book? Or did it happen earlier? It's from the first issue of Cates run. And it's okay, but it is no where near as good as the Aaron run. Which was knocking it out of the park when it was 6 issues in. Air Skwirl fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Aug 21, 2020 |
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Spidey is showing that he may not know his universe well enough if he's got Tony in a tier with Hulk and Thor. A tier that is above Black Bolt. And I'm thinking he only passively knows of Ghost Rider for that matter.
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