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None of these blackouts are related to PG&E's (lack of) line maintenance. They're directed by the California ISO because total power generation + reserve is smaller than demand across the grid. Comparing to something like Italy, California has more power from wind+solar (which is good), but they're less consistent than a natural gas plant. Capitalism won't build more generating capacity since it wouldn't be profitable, but even under Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism, I'm not sure that building power plants that will only be used to cover a few hours of blackouts every 5 years or so is a good use of resources.
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Rah! posted:I feel like Morocco's climate is a better match than Italy, seeing as lots of CA is desert. Death Valley is about as harsh a climate as you can find on earth. The US snowfall record was set in the Sierra Nevada too, so there is some extreme poo poo in CA, but those areas are mostly unpopulated and 90% of people live in Mediterranean climate zones. Anyways, i bet morocco has fewer fires than us too and yeah PG&E executives deserve the guillotine I lived at Edwards AFB for the first 10 years of my life, and let me tell ya, Death Valley isn’t really all that bad. That being said, the vast majority of people in California live in areas with very similar climates to Italia.
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7% of homes in Italy have an AC unit, 71% in the US. If Italy installed to our capacity tomorrow guess who can't meet their electrical demand in a heatwave.
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Goodpancakes posted:7% of homes in Italy have an AC unit, 71% in the US. If Italy installed to our capacity tomorrow guess who can't meet their electrical demand in a heatwave. True! But California has also had 50 years to bring that capacity up to working standards.
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I'm sure it also has nothing to do with everyone being such in their houses, using their personal AC systems, instead of being at work with large industrial HVAC systems that are generally much more consistent load wise, and far more efficient with respect to cooling a given person/sqft.
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SeaborneClink posted:I'm sure it also has nothing to do with everyone being such in their houses, using their personal AC systems, instead of being at work with large industrial HVAC systems that are generally much more consistent load wise, and far more efficient with respect to cooling a given person/sqft. That's why the rolling blackouts are happening in the evenings when people were usually at the office.
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droll posted:That's why the rolling blackouts are happening in the evenings when people were usually at the office.
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ratbert90 posted:I lived at Edwards AFB for the first 10 years of my life, and let me tell ya, Death Valley isn’t really all that bad. lol
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However, in normal times, people could go to the mall or the movies for their AC, you can't really do that this year
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Rah! posted:lol Eh, it really isn’t. I live in Pomona now and 100+F really doesn’t bother me all that much.  I have also lived in West Michigan and I would take 110 in Death Valley over 90 in Michigan any day of the week.
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Foxfire_ posted:None of these blackouts are related to PG&E's (lack of) line maintenance. They're directed by the California ISO because total power generation + reserve is smaller than demand across the grid. Good news. They will be happening more and more frequently from this year forward until they are the new normal in the summer. So you'll have plenty of justification for building power plants.
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ratbert90 posted:Eh, it really isn’t. I live in Pomona now and 100+F really doesn’t bother me all that much. its just 120 degrees in the shade, no big deal lmao edit: https://twitter.com/capitalweather/status/1295170993879752704 Rah! fucked around with this message at 09:43 on Aug 17, 2020 |
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Goodpancakes posted:What the hell are you guys on about? A huge heatwave crushed Europe like 10 years ago and they think it's responsible for up to 70,000 deaths. There weren't widespread brownouts because almost no one in Europe has A/C in their homes. So yeah the power didn't go out but a shitload of people died. I was in France like 2-3 years ago when temperatures reached the 90's and people were dying by the dozen simply because there was nowhere they could go to cool off.
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Yup, be careful comparing California of all places to anywhere in Europe. I lived in Switzerland for 5 years, and was there when a horrible heatwave* occurred and killed way more people then it should of since people there were completely unprepared for high temperatures. I remember it quite clearly because it started 6 days after my youngest daughter was born and the nurses were explaining to us what temperatures were safe for an infant, and meanwhile all the weather forecasts were way higher than those temperatures. Europe is deceptive because it's a continent but the vast majority is in the same climate line (or even more North) than the Atlantic Northeast. Buildings and homes there are designed to survive cold winters, not warm summers. In Switzerland specifically, no buildings had air conditioning. Not homes, not commercial buildings, not retailers. That hospital my daughter was born in was the most advanced maternity hospital I've even seen and had mobile air conditioning units, but no central air. The university I worked at resisted installing central air into my labs until I had an engineer come in and write up a report that showed all my equipment would heat the room to 100F on a good day and that most of the equipment would fail to work at those temps. The reason they don't have electrical issues is that they don't use central climate control in their homes, which works when municipal radiator heat is used to keep people warm, but falls apart when temperatures go above the norm. And there is no where to escape to. You likely don't have a car since most people use the public transport (again without AC), and there are no air conditioned shopping centers like Walmart or the grocery store because even those buildings don't use AC. Most people depend on fans and opening their windows to keep cool, and that falls apart when even the nights are not cool. *The horrible heatwave was a mild summer day here in SoCal. It was like in the high 90's for about 8 days, which was enough to cause their train rails to change shape and mis-align which crippled some of their train traffic, and to kill vulnerable people who couldn't find ways to keep cool. Anonymous Zebra fucked around with this message at 09:07 on Aug 17, 2020 |
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Seeing dry lightning here tonight in Sac. 109 tomorrow. I've never seen anything like this here so I guess we're at the confluence of 'more heat' and 'more tropical storms' aspects of climate change.
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Lightning in Napa/Healdsburg has started fires, some evacuations. Hopefully doesn't turn into a big one
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Tayter Swift posted:Seeing dry lightning here tonight in Sac. 109 tomorrow. The storm was loving amazing in Roseville. It's been a LONG time since I've seen one that awesome. Lightning lit up the whole sky.
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I was just on a work call for zoom and the 2 Orlando people were laughing at all of us for being mystified by a thunderstorm
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I think thunderstorms are in my top 3 things I miss about living in Ohio, alongside lower COL and cooler guns.
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Well I bet those Floridians would be mystified if they had a wildfire. Or an actor for governor. You know, California weather.
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Sorry, Florida also has wildfires, and as far as governors, just trust me, you don't want to go there.
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https://twitter.com/rvat2020/status/1295428131503964162 Yes, yes, never trump, still republican, etc. etc. Still pretty loving bad news to get direct confirmation of, especially as wildfire season revs up.
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Aug 17, 2020 20:27
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California: Florida of the West.
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Welp, one of the front office staff at my son's high school just tested positive after 3 days of school, so they made the office staff go remote for a while. Not sure how some people expected to bring back 1000+ kids to campus to be totally cool.
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https://covid19risk.biosci.gatech.edu/ Look at this tool. Just look at it. Now imagine a school looking at it and deciding "so you're saying there's a chance this can work?" That's our current reality/reality-check life
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Henrik Zetterberg posted:I think thunderstorms are in my top 3 things I miss about living in Ohio, alongside lower COL and cooler guns. As a gardener, I miss Midwestern topsoil so drat much. (glares at clay)
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Still Dismal posted:https://twitter.com/rvat2020/status/1295428131503964162 The unfortunate fact is that he can get away with it because yeah, he doesn't need to worry about losing California. This state is gonna continue to be on its own for Covid testing, unemployment, disaster relief, everything while Trump is in office. The south seceded for less. Anyone who lives in California and votes for Trump is beyond stupid. America Inc. fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Aug 17, 2020 |
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adoration for none posted:The unfortunate fact is that he can get away with it because yeah, he doesn't need to worry about losing California. This state is gonna continue to be on its own for Covid testing, unemployment, disaster relief, everything while Trump is in office. people who live in California and vote for Trump largely want California as it exists to be destroyed in its entirety. hth
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Cup Runneth Over posted:people who live in California and vote for Trump largely want California as it exists to be destroyed in its entirety. hth State of Jefferson voters
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Cup Runneth Over posted:people who live in California and vote for Trump largely want California as it exists to be destroyed in its entirety. hth they're all busy moving to texas and oregon anyways lol
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HaVe YoU sEeN hOw ChEaP iT iS tO gEt A U-haul InTo CaLiFoRnIa vs. GeTtInG oNe OuT? EvErYoNe'S lEaViNg!
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*is a retired from 40 years working at the local water district, can't stop talking about how cheap gas is in Oklahoma*
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Kenning posted:HaVe YoU sEeN hOw ChEaP iT iS tO gEt A U-haul InTo CaLiFoRnIa vs. GeTtInG oNe OuT? EvErYoNe'S lEaViNg! lol at all the dumbass nazi youtube videos about the EXODUS FROM COMMIE CALIFORNIA when it's really just the white suburban chuds that are running away, and the population is actually still growing thanks to the birthrate and immigration (for now  )
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Cup Runneth Over posted:people who live in California and vote for Trump largely want California as it exists to be destroyed in its entirety. hth Just today had to deal with a dude talking about how bad Oakland is from his home in Modesto where he lives comfortably on a pension. Talking about how broke the state is.
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All these millionaires fleeing high taxes by renting Uhaul
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Jaxyon posted:Just today had to deal with a dude talking about how bad Oakland is from his home in Modesto where he lives comfortably on a pension. A bunch of the people responsible for constantly dumping garbage in Oakland, come from cities like Modesto then they use piles of garbage as part of their reasoning for why they hate Oakland.
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Rah! posted:A bunch of the people responsible for constantly dumping garbage in Oakland, come from cities like Modesto Like literally dumping garbage?
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Jaxyon posted:Like literally dumping garbage?
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What am I supposed to do, take it to the dump? The fees are outrageous! *gets in $80k truck, drives off*
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