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TheKennedys
Sep 23, 2006

By my hand, I will take you from this godforsaken internet

Cocaine Bear posted:

Love when dudes that look like that try to rip on women for their appearance.

What a loving loser lol.

Dolly "it's expensive to look this cheap" Parton, famous for caring what random dudes think about her appearance :laffo:

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Dixie Cretin Seaman
Jan 22, 2008

all hat and one catte
Hot Rope Guy

vyelkin posted:

lmao aside from the last bit this is what American churches have been telling Americans since like 1917

even the last part isn't all that new!

quote:

Satanic ritual abuse (SRA, sometimes known as ritual abuse, ritualistic abuse, organized abuse, or sadistic ritual abuse) was the subject of a moral panic (often referred to as the Satanic Panic) that originated in the United States in the 1980s, spreading throughout many parts of the world by the late 1990s. Allegations of SRA involved reports of physical and sexual abuse of people in the context of occult or Satanic rituals. In its most extreme form, allegations involve a conspiracy of a worldwide SRA organization that includes the wealthy and powerful of the world elite in which children are abducted or bred for human sacrifices, pornography, and prostitution.

Plank Walker
Aug 11, 2005

mazzi Chart Czar posted:

Kind of avoiding a sub argument, but you pulled it out.
I don't think they are American.

I don't think they have any allegiance to any country.
They are people who want to go back to a simpler
time.


Pulling these arugments from American nations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6czzx6CaGE :

These values you are describing are dutch values given to New Yorkers.

I think these people are Hillbillies / appalachion people, who were given their values by the scot-irish.

the only part of your original post i disagree with is that they think their jobs are easy street. whether or not their jobs are actually objectively hard, their self-image is that they individually are doing tough jobs (see tough job porn like "dirty jobs" and like any pickup truck commercial). taxes are just used by the government to give the fruits of their hard work to lazy bums, and union dues are just a tool their lazy coworkers use to keep jobs they should be fired from. is it the correct view of why they work hard and yet still arent rich? no, but the narrative that dues and taxes are stealing their wealth is the only one in the mainstream since the democrats refuse to offer any alternative explanation to the working class

mazzi Chart Czar
Sep 24, 2005

Megillah Gorilla posted:

Also, name a single positive representation of unions in the media.

The inverted argument is that every movie about a good old country boy
who saves the world, or rises to the top. Stars War, Avatar, Titanic,
Probably a good amount of super heroes.

The dog in call of the wild:that dog starts off as a central California farm
boy and by killing a Native American in the wild at the end becomes
the toughest thing in the wild.

Cocaine Bear
Nov 4, 2011

ACAB

mazzi Chart Czar posted:

There people who want some government (small or big), then there are people,
who are in unions who vote against unions, who vote against unions, - they are
the no-government people.

Then there is a third group that is utilizing the no-government people. They are
using the no-government people to build a monarchy/ dictatorships. It doesn't
matter how they make it: Corporation, Government, Religion. They just need
bodies and power.

So now there are two large groups that work against unions, no matter how
much unions help a person out.

Why do you write like that? I feel like you're quoting a song or having a stroke.

And the answer is even simpler: humans and dumb and stupid and awful and greedy and they value losses more than gains. Oh and racism. Lots and lots of racism.

Cocaine Bear has issued a correction as of 19:31 on Aug 18, 2020

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

the milk machine posted:

reverend horton heat owns bones, not going to google to see what their politics are

They're old enough that you probably don't want to know.

mazzi Chart Czar
Sep 24, 2005

Plank Walker posted:

the only part of your original post i disagree with is that they think their jobs are easy street. whether or not their jobs are actually objectively hard, their self-image is that they individually are doing tough jobs (see tough job porn like "dirty jobs" and like any pickup truck commercial). taxes are just used by the government to give the fruits of their hard work to lazy bums, and union dues are just a tool their lazy coworkers use to keep jobs they should be fired from. is it the correct view of why they work hard and yet still arent rich? no, but the narrative that dues and taxes are stealing their wealth is the only one in the mainstream since the democrats refuse to offer any alternative explanation to the working class

Sorry, excuse me, let me try to make it clearer.

Not trying to under sell how hard union jobs are. Union jobs are hard.

Farming, especially substances farming, where a person eats what they grows:
is way harder, and doesn't always have the pay off. Crops can go bad for years.

If a person understands how hard that type of farming is, everything seems easier.
Union have breaks. A farmer could go a whole day carrying heavy materials to and fro.

A union worker can take a day off.

A farmer "if you don't work, you don't eat."

mazzi Chart Czar has issued a correction as of 19:37 on Aug 18, 2020

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



anti-union people who benefit from unions exist. they either think that they'd be getting just as good a deal without the union or, more often, they don't think about where their good situation comes from and just default to anti-unionism because of cultural indoctrination

mazzi Chart Czar
Sep 24, 2005

Cocaine Bear posted:

Why do you write like that? I feel like you're quoting a song or having a stroke.

And the answer is even simpler: humans and dumb and stupid and awful and greedy and they value losses more than gains. Oh and racism. Lots and lots of racism.

I'm lazy.

I hate reading long lines of text that make my eyes scan too far to the right.
I like how most books only have a limit of only 50 characters per line, as
opposed to the Something Awful forums of 150 characters in a line.

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



i also met a few guys at my last job who disliked the union either because

1. they didn't like that the union was confrontational with management, or
2. they didn't like that we talked about social justice issues

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



mazzi Chart Czar posted:

I'm lazy.

I hate reading long lines of text that make my eyes scan too far to the right.
I like how most books only have a limit of only 50 characters per line, as
opposed to the Something Awful forums of 150 characters in a line.

you can make your browser window narrower

Notahippie
Feb 4, 2003

Kids, it's not cool to have Shane MacGowan teeth

Declan MacManus posted:

it is white privilege cosplay, yes

Robbie Fulks has a song called Roots Rock Weirdos about how much he hates his rockabilly fans: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bVukKvLGL4

the milk machine
Jul 23, 2002

lick my keys

Nothus posted:

They're old enough that you probably don't want to know.

100%

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89
Grimey Drawer

the milk machine posted:

reverend horton heat owns bones, not going to google to see what their politics are

Reverend Horton Heat Says ‘They Can’t Stop Rock and Roll,’ Aren’t Canceling Any Shows


"Lead singer Jim Heath announced the decision to keep rocking and rolling on the band’s Facebook page, writing that anyone who might be wary of gathering in large groups was in danger of becoming “sheeple to authoritarian government.”'

they also just played sturgis, lol

mazzi Chart Czar
Sep 24, 2005

Shear Modulus posted:

you can make your browser window narrower

I'll try it out.

Shugojin
Sep 6, 2007

THE TAIL THAT BURNS TWICE AS BRIGHT...


mazzi Chart Czar posted:

I'm lazy.

I hate reading long lines of text that make my eyes scan too far to the right.
I like how most books only have a limit of only 50 characters per line, as
opposed to the Something Awful forums of 150 characters in a line.

Wow! A sentient FORTRAN program!

Business Gorillas
Mar 11, 2009

:harambe:



FMguru posted:

The rate at which Americans (especially young Americans) are turning their backs on Christianity is the single biggest uncovered story in America.



Full deets here: https://www.pewforum.org/2019/10/17/in-u-s-decline-of-christianity-continues-at-rapid-pace/

This is happening in the Jewish community too and considering Hebrew school is the biggest vehicle for Zionism, it's being noticed by the israelis as well

mazzi Chart Czar
Sep 24, 2005

Shugojin posted:

Wow! A sentient FORTRAN program!

Yeah. That's accurate. Thank you.

Cocaine Bear
Nov 4, 2011

ACAB

mazzi Chart Czar posted:

I'm lazy.

I hate reading long lines of text that make my eyes scan too far to the right.
I like how most books only have a limit of only 50 characters per line, as
opposed to the Something Awful forums of 150 characters in a line.

So you... only read your own posts?

Also, poo poo post on your phone like a human. The gently caress still uses a computer for internet browsing?

mazzi Chart Czar
Sep 24, 2005

Cocaine Bear posted:

So you... only read your own posts?

Also, poo poo post on your phone like a human. The gently caress still uses a computer for internet browsing?

To force other people to post like that is insane, but, yeah, I try to re-read my posts to make sure I don't gently caress up the posts too bad(and try to hold on to that something awful rule of: only post something that is interesting or funny), and I know that some times, when they really get going the sentences can become to loving structurally complex to keep track of where when certain ideas being or end that even just having those lines makes the re-reading of the sentences much easier to follow.

Still do gently caress up tho. Sorry.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Business Gorillas posted:

This is happening in the Jewish community too and considering Hebrew school is the biggest vehicle for Zionism, it's being noticed by the israelis as well
Who could have predicted that wedding your cultural identity to the Bush administration's foreign policy agenda might have negative effects in the long run?

Cocaine Bear
Nov 4, 2011

ACAB

You do you, comrade. Just an odd thing and for whatever reason out of place caps and weir use of punctuation and the like recently is a pretty good indicator of deep deep stupidity and mental illness being a conservative.

the milk machine
Jul 23, 2002

lick my keys

Laterite posted:

Reverend Horton Heat Says ‘They Can’t Stop Rock and Roll,’ Aren’t Canceling Any Shows


"Lead singer Jim Heath announced the decision to keep rocking and rolling on the band’s Facebook page, writing that anyone who might be wary of gathering in large groups was in danger of becoming “sheeple to authoritarian government.”'

they also just played sturgis, lol

yeah i got curious too

considering they're all a million years old i guess it could be a lot worse

mazzi Chart Czar
Sep 24, 2005

Cocaine Bear posted:

You do you, comrade. Just an odd thing and for whatever reason out of place caps and weir use of punctuation and the like recently is a pretty good indicator of deep deep stupidity and mental illness being a conservative.

Yeah, I'm pretty stupid.
Yeah, probably got some gears all fudged up.

Using a desktop computer is conservative bullshit.
Oh god why my fist waving at kids on the lawn!

Roundup Ready
Mar 10, 2004

ACCIDENTAL SHIT POSTER


Dude, just Ctrl + mouse wheel up until it looks comfortable to you. Less hassle all around.

Plank Walker
Aug 11, 2005

Roundup Ready posted:

Dude, just Ctrl + mouse wheel up until it looks comfortable to you. Less hassle all around.

also firefox and safari (idk about chrome) have "reader modes" which basically do exactly what op wants, re: limiting column width and also allow you to toggle font size, what font to use, background and text color

forums look like poo poo with it:

but its readable

Declan MacManus
Sep 1, 2011

damn i'm really in this bitch

Shear Modulus posted:

anti-union people who benefit from unions exist. they either think that they'd be getting just as good a deal without the union or, more often, they don't think about where their good situation comes from and just default to anti-unionism because of cultural indoctrination

a lot of it is the free rider problem coupled with the supreme court striking down union dues for non-union members; basically between unions negotiating on behalf of every worker there and not just union members (meaning that non-union members get the same benefits as union members), the unions not being allowed to collect administrative and legal fees from non-members, and it being illegal to bar non-union members from a workplace (thanks right to work laws), there is no short term loss to not being in a union in the us, so membership steadily declines and operational funds dwindle for the few unions that haven’t already been broken by big corporations

someone else already mentioned that unions are never given positive media depictions; this is also true, as not even copaganda points out that the police officers’ union is what allows them to keep their jobs even after they go dirty harry on a perp (well, that and qualified immunity but if a cop show explained all that then the stakes would be so unbelievably low that no one would watch it)

Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

Megillah Gorilla posted:

Also, name a single positive representation of unions in the media.

Deep Space Nine, season 4 episode 16, "Bar Association". The employees of Quark's Bar form a labor union (despite that being extremely illegal under hyper-capitalist Ferengi law) and go on strike. We're clearly meant to be on the side of the strikers. O'Brien proudly recalls an ancestor on Earth who was a union man, most of the "good guy" characters on the show refuse to cross the picket line, and hell, the union leader even trots out a Marx quote.

e: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Bar_Association_(episode)

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

In Legally Blonde, there is a handsome UPS driver that is well regarded. The writers likely felt they didn't need to explicitly state he was a union member, since the audience would know that UPS drivers (in that year) were union.

Dixie Cretin Seaman
Jan 22, 2008

all hat and one catte
Hot Rope Guy
if you really want to sperg out on desktop browser line widths you can also install a custom theme for the forums that enforces a maximum width, i used to use it so i know something like that exists and you can probably find it by poking around one of the forums meta threads. goonspeed.

Business Gorillas posted:

This is happening in the Jewish community too and considering Hebrew school is the biggest vehicle for Zionism, it's being noticed by the israelis as well

the hardcore zionists have already taken the ben shapiro approach of writing off 80% of american jews, they're all in on white evangelicals now, which is... not a sustainable strategy. the same short-sighted siege mentality as the modern NRA and GOP in general

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

Shear Modulus posted:

anti-union people who benefit from unions exist.
Is there any anti-union person who doesn't benefit from union activism? It's like people who hate "big government."

Cocaine Bear
Nov 4, 2011

ACAB

mazzi Chart Czar posted:

Yeah, I'm pretty stupid.
Yeah, probably got some gears all fudged up.

Using a desktop computer is conservative bullshit.
Oh god why my fist waving at kids on the lawn!

Lol, chill dude. I wasn't calling you anything. I mean, now I'm implying you have poor reading comprehension but that's hardly grounds for name calling. Stay safe, weird typer.

Shugojin
Sep 6, 2007

THE TAIL THAT BURNS TWICE AS BRIGHT...


Halloween Jack posted:

Is there any anti-union person who doesn't benefit from union activism? It's like people who hate "big government."

I'm guessing you're excluding bosses?

CodfishCartographer
Feb 23, 2010

Gadus Maprocephalus

Pillbug

Mr Interweb posted:

it was an interesting theory until the bolded. surely as dumb as republicans can be, even they realize that being in a union actually benefits them, don't they? they may absolutely hate unions in other areas and want them destroyed, and they may not like the union dues that they have to pay for their own unions, but on balance, they do understand that they're getting a net positive out of the deal, right? i can't imagine anyone in something like say, a police union being stupid enough to not realize how much power they have by being in one.

Sorry to break it to you but republicans loving hate Unions because of all the propaganda and misinformation. Even many centrists / liberals dislike them due to this. I work in an industry that is kind of infamously known for poo poo pay, long hours of unpaid overtime, and mass layoffs without warnings, and I've had so many coworkers talk about how terrible it would be if the industry unioninzed. I've heard talking points like "unions just take money and do nothing" and "all unions do is tell you where you can't work" and poo poo. One of them talked about how he used to work at Walmart and all the union did was take money out of his paycheck and tell him he couldn't work when he wanted to. They all of course love sharing news articles and stories when some corrupt union leader is caught embezzling money or something.

They see unions as some bureaucracy that exists solely to steal workers' money while pretending to do something. They think of them like a lovely HOA - just a group that you're forced to pay dues to while it actively gets in the way of you trying to live your life. In their mind, if there was no unions then the job would be exactly the same except they'd have more money thanks to no dues and would be able to work more overtime! That'd make them even more money!!

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC

FMguru posted:

The rate at which Americans (especially young Americans) are turning their backs on Christianity is the single biggest uncovered story in America.



Full deets here: https://www.pewforum.org/2019/10/17/in-u-s-decline-of-christianity-continues-at-rapid-pace/

Interesting to see Catholicism fall so sharply among Latino Americans. From 57% to 47% in ten years.

Unless
Jul 24, 2005

I art



Forceholy posted:

That makes sense. I have never seen a minority rockabilly

there’s a LOT of hispanic rockabilly

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually

OhFunny posted:

Interesting to see Catholicism fall so sharply among Latino Americans. From 57% to 47% in ten years.
The most interesting sub-number from that survey to me was the rise in straight-up nonbelief. You'd think a decline in religiosity would lead to a rise in the numbers of people who identify as "spiritual but not religious", but nope - those numbers have stayed constant over the last few decades. The big rise is in atheist/agnostic/nothing-in-particular, which collectively went from 16% to 26% of the population from 2007 to 2019. I can just imagine what those numbers are going to look like after another ten years of boomers dying off.

BIG FLUFFY DOG
Feb 16, 2011

On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.


OhFunny posted:

Interesting to see Catholicism fall so sharply among Latino Americans. From 57% to 47% in ten years.

Quite a few of those are just going to evangelicalism instead which is occuring much more pronouncedly in Latin America itself

Grape
Nov 16, 2017

Happily shilling for China!

BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:

Quite a few of those are just going to evangelicalism instead which is occuring much more pronouncedly in Latin America itself

That's not what the data was showing though, the Protestant grouping jumped like one point is all.

Though I'm not sure why people are shocked that latinx Catholics would be so different from the white ones in this regard?

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Cocaine Bear
Nov 4, 2011

ACAB

Imagine worshipping a bronze age hissy fit of a diet in the loving space age lol

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