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moist turtleneck posted:My favorite thing lately is people acting like my vote in a red rear end state actually matters your vote does matter... if you vote green and help them get to 5% nationally to secure federal matching funds but other than that and maybe some local candidates you might like, lmao no it doesn’t matter (but presidential elections are insignificant anyways)
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yeah I'm specifically talking about a vote for joe mattering because succs say "any vote not for him is a vote for trump!!!" I vote for little guys in every election and lol at MO moving the medicaid expansion vote to august to depress turnout and it still passed because of people like me
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moist turtleneck posted:yeah I'm specifically talking about a vote for joe mattering because succs say "any vote not for him is a vote for trump!!!" they wanted to get that killed so bad, now they're going to have to work extra nights to make sure all of the money goes to express scripts instead of dirty poors who depress market value
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Aug 19, 2020 14:56
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Complications posted:This convention is amazing, it's everything I never wanted. I'm genuinely contemplating never voting Democrat again in my life. gently caress these ghouls. Never vote for anyone that doesn't support something you explicitly want or supports something that you hate. If you don't know anything about a candidate except party affiliation, don't vote. gently caress voting by party.
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Aug 19, 2020 15:20
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i'm at the level of bitterness where I didn't even want to vote for her since she stands for a lot of what I believe in and is willing to say universal healthcare, but I'm genuinely torn on whether putting someone with good beliefs in power for the democrat party is throwing good money after bad or not i'm a huge crybaby emotional sap who wants to believe the best in people tho so i did, because I will forever be that stupid
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Aug 19, 2020 15:25
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Ruggan posted:I really don’t like Biden. He’s a pandering racist rapist. Third party votes are valid, despite what disingenuous smoothbrains will tell you. The Greens would love to have you.
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Aug 19, 2020 15:59
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I stupidly thought that 2016 would be the year of the third party, because both parties sucked so bad. I didn't internalize that main party candidates sucking is what drives votes to main parties.
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Aug 19, 2020 16:04
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the_steve posted:Third party votes are valid, despite what disingenuous smoothbrains will tell you. 65 million Americans threw their vote away on a no-hope candidate in 2016. Somewhere around 50% of all voters throw their vote away every election.
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Aug 19, 2020 16:15
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Organ Fiend posted:Never vote for anyone that doesn't support something you explicitly want or supports something that you hate.
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Aug 19, 2020 16:36
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the_steve posted:Third party votes are valid, despite what disingenuous smoothbrains will tell you. I really wish it was probate-able to purposefully mislead people about third party voting, and the existence of third parties in general. I see it a lot, and it angers me, but nothing is ever done about it. If a candidate is on your ballot, voting for them counts. Those other candidates might even represent you better than the republican or democrat, and might not be rapists! Despite what some may tell you, it's actually possible to find non-rapist candidates! 
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Aug 19, 2020 16:45
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My state in 2016 had 4 people faithlessly cast their votes for Colin Powell. At that moment I absolutely realized that it did not matter one lick who I voted for on the presidential and galvanized me to only vote for who I want. I will never ever hold my nose for anyone ever again.
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Aug 19, 2020 16:49
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Code Jockey posted:I really wish it was probate-able to purposefully mislead people about third party voting, and the existence of third parties in general. I see it a lot, and it angers me, but nothing is ever done about it. in dnd, posting " straight-up literally-fabricated bullshit " is probatable anyway you'll be able to pull joe left for sure
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Aug 19, 2020 16:59
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silicone thrills posted:My state in 2016 had 4 people faithlessly cast their votes for Colin Powell. I had someone tell me that they voted for Harambe in 2016. I wonder how many other people did
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Aug 19, 2020 17:09
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Iron Crowned posted:I had someone tell me that they voted for Harambe in 2016. I wonder how many other people did RIP
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Aug 19, 2020 17:29
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votes out for harambe 2020
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guidoanselmi posted:votes out for harambe 2020
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guidoanselmi posted:votes out for harambe 2020 HE'S 👏 ELECTABLE 👏 IF 👏 YOU 👏 VOTE 👏 FOR 👏 HIM!!!
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silicone thrills posted:My state in 2016 had 4 people faithlessly cast their votes for Colin Powell. the supreme court actually just ruled that states can freely replace unfaithful electors, so your good now! your vote for Howie matters! democracy is saved! or at least, I remember them ruling something like that TeenageArchipelago has issued a correction as of 18:18 on Aug 19, 2020 |
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Aug 19, 2020 18:15
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Someone check the DNC's betting history. I've never seen a group taking such an obvious dive.
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Aug 19, 2020 18:32
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moist turtleneck posted:My favorite thing lately is people acting like my vote in a red rear end state actually matters i saw some lib write that, “if the election goes to the courts the popular vote could matter.” which is i think peak brainworms.
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Aug 19, 2020 19:15
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every day i think that us politics can't get any dumber or worse, and every day i am proven wrong, and every day i continue to not vote for any racist old rapists such as joe biden
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Aug 19, 2020 19:24
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akulanization posted:i saw some lib write that, “if the election goes to the courts the popular vote could matter.” which is i think peak brainworms. lol It's amazing how many people lack a sense of object permanence.
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Aug 19, 2020 19:24
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CaptainViolence posted:every day i think that us politics can't get any dumber or worse, and every day i am proven wrong, and every day i continue to not vote for any racist old rapists such as joe biden
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Hey NoJoe thread, I just spent a week on probation, and it gave me some time to think about things and conduct some deep self-examination. The comment I made is probably pretty reprehensible, but I won't back down from my core belief that guerilla tactics in the class war are not only Good, but should be encouraged, aided, and cheered on. That being said, I also took some time to reflect on my core values and what's at stake in the coming election. I've also had a chance to get out and cast my Democratic Primary vote for one Ms. Jennifer Perelman against one Ms. Debbie Washingmachine Schultz and saw the state of our Democratic process in action - empty polling places and a landslide victory for payday lenders' favorite Democrat. There is indeed a lot at stake here. Republicans rush to defund the USPS, once a logistical marvel envied the world over for its reliability and efficiency all in the name of keeping a President they never wanted in office to begin in, in office. They cheer on that President's Attorney General as he unleashes secret police forces to detain and remove protestors. They deny objective realities about climate change, poverty, and socioeconomics. They push for expansive military action abroad to enrich the fortunes of the defense companies that fund their campaigns. Ruth Bader Ginsburg is getting pretty old, too - there's a real chance that she retires or passes in the next four years and a second Trump appointment of a Justice would likely kill any sort of leftist legislation for the next 30 years! Roe v Wade could be overturned, hell, Citizens United could be expanded under Trump with a Conservative supermajority in the Supreme Court! The worst part about all this? The thing that really keeps me up at night? The Democrats are just going to let him get away with it, so gently caress them, and gently caress voting for Joe Biden. I won't do it, and neither should you.
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TeenageArchipelago posted:the supreme court actually just ruled that states can freely replace unfaithful electors, so your good now! your vote for Howie matters! democracy is saved! Yeah, they used some bullshit reasoning to rule that a vote doesn't have to be a free vote. It's totally OK for the vote to be required to be for a specified result. There's no way that could ever be misused as precedent. Nope.
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:Technically the Democrats have access to my vote so that should be good enough for them I would assume. Goddam
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akulanization posted:i saw some lib write that, “if the election goes to the courts the popular vote could matter.” which is i think peak brainworms. But like 60% of Biden voters straight up admit that they're not voting for Biden - they're voting against Trump. The real number is probably higher. The Democrats offer nothing to anybody, and screwing them out of power isn't going to drive anybody to take real action. They aren't going to do anything with that power anyway, and everyone knows it. Even the most delusion liberal will have a long hard think about what they stand to gain (i.e. nothing) from putting their life and their livelihood in the line for the Democrats.
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If you actually want to engage with shitlibs (I don't know why, but if you MUST), I would say your argument can break down as follows: Do you live in a swing state? If not, then it doesn't matter at all. If you do, what policies does Biden have that will materially improve conditions for the oppressed? If they can answer those, please tell us how he is going to pass them with Mitch McConnell and the Republicans still in charge in the Senate? Note: The current 270towinForecast shows a 47-47 split with 6 seats contested, so even if the Democrats run the table on all those (which seems unlikely), at best they have 53 votes in the Senate and 49-50 seems more likely. Note 2: There hasn't been a lot of enthusiasm for ending the filibuster in the Senate, so you probably need 60 votes to break a filibuster and get something passed. Where do those come from? Who is going to peel off and work with you that wasn't willing to work with Obama or the existing Senate Dems. Make them explain this and explain that Biden going "AW COME ON GUYS!" is probably not going to work given 8 years of Obama. If they bring up the Supreme Court, ask them what the difference is between a 5-4 conservative split and a 6-3 or 7-2 conservative split? (It's not that much). What justices have they hinted at wanting to put forward? How do we know they'll be progressive? (I mean John Roberts was a surefire conservative and keeps surprising them). If they bring up Garland, he's a judicial moderate that leans towards prosecutors on crime. How does that square with BLM and police reform? How do we know he'll reliably vote with the liberals? Immigration? Bush and Obama built the cages. Surveillance? Bush built the security state and Obama turned it into the thing from that Batman movie. Foreign Policy? poo poo, the intelligence community tried to start a war with Iran and Trump was too oblivious and wandered away from it. Our coup in Venezuela failed hilariously. The Economy? lol "Build back better" was the Clinton foundation slogan in Haiti, that's a bad omen. Police reform? The VP is a prosecutor and Biden made the Crime Bill. But okay. Assume Biden wins and has a majority in both houses. In 2022, he's going to lose at least one of those. (I mean, the incumbent historically does). So he has 2 years and that's AFTER after a hard-fought election, assuming he wins, and the entire governmental structure of the US needing to be rebuilt, a pandemic, a tanked economy, and an insurgent right wing movement? What can he actually get done in that time? Anyway no lib has run the gauntlet that far with me, normally I just get called a Bernie Bro or Russian bot and blocked, so can't help you from there. Dr. Kyle Farnsworth has issued a correction as of 22:06 on Aug 19, 2020 |
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Ruggan posted:I really don’t like Biden. He’s a pandering racist rapist. why do u think all these neocon goons are moving on to biden? because a 2nd trump presidency will destroy the US empire and a biden presidency will result in war
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Iron Crowned posted:I had someone tell me that they voted for Harambe in 2016. I wonder how many other people did I mean our official electoral college electors. lol
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The liberals and the politicians will look up and shout “Please vote for Biden this Tuesday!” ...and I’ll look down and whisper “no.”’
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Honestly just identify the particular neurosis that drives their voting calculus to come up Biden and attack it. They're all loving weak rear end arguments Harm reduction? Biden is responsible for the war on drugs domestically, and he and his party are set on continuing the forever wars, which resulted in millions of dead Afghani and Iraqis, while Trump is too loving incompetent. Colin goddamn Powell being a speaker makes this even easier. This is usually the one that comes from votescolds, and it's really easy to just be like "I guess you don't care about human lives if they're not Americans" if you don't value their friendship/family. Talking to a socialist who is voting for utilitarian purposes? Trump has done more for the dismantlement of American hegemony in 4 years, which indirectly makes self-governing more likely and thus international socialism more likely. At home, a cheeto in the Whitehouse!!! has brought attention to all of the loving horrifying things we do that will (and have been - look at Obama admin) completely ignored by liberal media and liberals themselves. Point out the mere presence of a Democrat doesn't actually help a situation (every loving democratic stronghold city that is just a giant police state response to BLM). Specific issue voter? This is the easiest one, because you can literally just look up that particular issue; there is enough baggage/walkbacks floating around the internet for any of them to realize that Biden is not their answer. Climate change is probably the most obvious one, and the "quietly remove language about fossil fuel subsidies" making the rounds is a good example.
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alternatively don't do any of that and instead do drugs because it's a better use of your time than arguing with people who think a rapey old man is worth voting for
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readingatwork posted:The liberals and the politicians will look up and shout “Please vote for Biden this Tuesday!” Bold of you to think they'd say Please and not simply try to browbeat a vote out of you by calling you an entitled stupid baby for having standards and morals.
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alarumklok posted:do drugs
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I will not vote for Joe Biden today.
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alarumklok posted:alternatively don't do any of that and instead do drugs because it's a better use of your time than arguing with people who think a rapey old man is worth voting for drugs, you say? hrm. don't mind if i do -- it's not against the rules if we post while high but never mention it, right?
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readingatwork posted:The liberals and the politicians will look up and shout “Please vote for Biden this Tuesday!” libs immediately https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFEouFjRWbQ
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thirding the drugs because instead of watching any more nights of the convention and drive myself fully insane I instead resolved to spend that time getting extremely high off xxl dabs of some very good rosin and I’m a better, happier man for it
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my ideas on what to call the dnc are too wordy please help. so far I have: tepid technocrat convention warstock Hague summer orientation the has to be something better.
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