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BobHoward
Feb 13, 2012

The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull

nikosoft posted:

lmao this was Elon Musk btw

It's better than that, part of it was the muskman getting into a twitter fight with Ken Macleod over whether Banks was anti-union

Ken MacLeod is another Scottish SF writer, and knew Banks very well (according to wiki they met in secondary school, long before either had a literary career)

And, much like Banks, MacLeod is an actual socialist

The exchange did not go well for Musk, although I'm quite sure Musk thought it did, because Musk is a loving idiot

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Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

vyelkin posted:

I remember it differently, Chief is the protagonist of the episode and it follows him around as he explores the dangers of the industrial apparatus, the legitimate grievances for why the workers are striking, his exploration of the emerging caste system, and so on. He tries to raise these issues with the admiral and president, but gets blown off because "we need the fuel chief, all that matters is get them working again I don't give a poo poo how many people die". Iirc in this scene the elite leaders are also like eating fancy food or something to make the disparity really obvious. The chief goes back and restarts the machinery using the street cred he'd built up as the union leader on New Caprica, but then a child worker is instantly maimed and he shuts it all down and declares a strike again. He only caves when the admiral literally gives the order to have his wife shot because he can't have fighter pilots going on strike or disobeying orders to do a suicide mission or something like that.

The bow they put on it at the end is the chief finally gets to sit down with the president and when he rationally explains the problems she's like "oh yeah good point we should have listened to you all along, welp guess you're the head of the union again and we should do proper labour negotiations", which serves to make the president and admiral who are the usual protagonists look like good guys again. But most of the episode is spent showing how the chief is right to do what he does because conditions for workers are so egregious.


this is a very fair point though

They could've leaned pretty hard into the caste system side of things if they'd gone on for another season or two. Zarek once made the point that he didn't think that anyone who wasn't named Adama would ever be in charge of Galactica, and he was almost certainly right.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

BobHoward posted:

And, much like Banks, MacLeod is an actual socialist
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1008013111058526209?s=20

freemandela
Apr 18, 2007

Grape posted:

Britain hated slavery, eventually, because much of the Caribbean is proof they were once big fans.

after the british raj was established, britain got many indian people to go to the west indies and work at sugarcane plantations

they ended slavery, but they didn't stop exploiting people

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

Does Ken Macleod write good stuff?

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually

taqueso posted:

Does Ken Macleod write good stuff?
He's an out-and-proud socialist and was good friends with Ian M. Banks.

I can't speak for your tastes, but if you try him, and don't like it, it won't be because it suddenly got all chuddy on you.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

there was also the episode of the simpsons where homer becomes a union boss to get back their dental plan. pretty sure that episode made it quite clear that mr. burns was the bad guy

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Post Trump voters realizing Trump is going to poo poo on their dead loved ones here

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1295956792220848128

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

FMguru posted:

He's an out-and-proud socialist and was good friends with Ian M. Banks.

I can't speak for your tastes, but if you try him, and don't like it, it won't be because it suddenly got all chuddy on you.

wikipedia posted:

He is part of a group of British science fiction writers who specialise in hard science fiction and space opera.

sounds good to me

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



Mr Interweb posted:

there was also the episode of the simpsons where homer becomes a union boss to get back their dental plan. pretty sure that episode made it quite clear that mr. burns was the bad guy

lisa needs braces

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Mr Interweb posted:

there was also the episode of the simpsons where homer becomes a union boss to get back their dental plan. pretty sure that episode made it quite clear that mr. burns was the bad guy

Megillah Gorilla posted:

Yeah, the only thing most people took away from that episode is this:




Union = organised crime.

Dixie Cretin Seaman
Jan 22, 2008

all hat and one catte
Hot Rope Guy
i must have missed loomer calling parkland a hoax, i thought her core concerns were calling muslims subhuman and shamelessly trivializing the holocaust for publicity stunts

InsertPotPun
Apr 16, 2018

Pissy Bitch stan

Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:

i must have missed loomer calling parkland a hoax, i thought her core concerns were calling muslims subhuman and shamelessly trivializing the holocaust for publicity stunts
she has many faces.

DesertIslandHermit
Oct 7, 2019

It's beautiful. And it's for the god of...of...arts and crafts. I think that's what he said.

VitalSigns posted:

Post Trump voters realizing Trump is going to poo poo on their dead loved ones here

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1295956792220848128

Trump people giving Loomer the 'This you?' treatment is going to be a fun watch.

e: He deleted the tweet. What a goddamn cuck.

DesertIslandHermit has issued a correction as of 06:28 on Aug 20, 2020

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004


yeah but that was a one off joke. the rest of the episode it's made pretty clear the only bad guy is mr. burns

Kitfox88
Aug 21, 2007

Anybody lose their glasses?
was loomer also the one banned from uber and lyft for repeatedly sending away drivers who showed up for her but were insufficiently aryan :godwin:

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC

Kitfox88 posted:

was loomer also the one banned from uber and lyft for repeatedly sending away drivers who showed up for her but were insufficiently aryan :godwin:

Yup.

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

Kitfox88 posted:

was loomer also the one banned from uber and lyft for repeatedly sending away drivers who showed up for her but were insufficiently aryan :godwin:

Well, they’re both (threatening) to shut down in CA, so we see who got the last laugh.

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

I’m the one with the last laugh. I mean, have you seen Loomer’s face? I’ve never seen someone get so much plastic surgery and still look like a ‘Chucky’ doll. Gives me a hearty chuckle every time.

Seriously though, congratulations to the future congresswoman, Florida couldn’t have a better representative, I mean that, truly.

freemandela
Apr 18, 2007

The Atomic Man-Boy posted:

I’m the one with the last laugh. I mean, have you seen Loomer’s face? I’ve never seen someone get so much plastic surgery and still look like a ‘Chucky’ doll. Gives me a hearty chuckle every time.

Seriously though, congratulations to the future congresswoman, Florida couldn’t have a better representative, I mean that, truly.

she won't get the job, dems won the district +27 in 2016 and republicans didn't run anyone in 2018

she also won't get her twitter account back, lol

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
on the plus side, it is very likely that loomer actually thinks she could win and will do something hilarious and pathetic in public after she loses. you know, as is her wont.

ShadowHawk
Jun 25, 2000

CERTIFIED PRE OWNED TESLA OWNER

freemandela posted:

she won't get the job, dems won the district +27 in 2016 and republicans didn't run anyone in 2018
If anyone's ever interested, it is surprisingly not difficult to get a congressional nomination this way. No serious politician wants to run in a certain-loss district, so completely inexperienced and unconnected people can end up as the nominee by default.

Shugojin
Sep 6, 2007

THE TAIL THAT BURNS TWICE AS BRIGHT...


Mr Interweb posted:

there was also the episode of the simpsons where homer becomes a union boss to get back their dental plan. pretty sure that episode made it quite clear that mr. burns was the bad guy

simpsons also just makes a bunch of dumb jokes about "lazy teamsters" which i can't tell if that was stereotyping or not

everyone i've worked with who was a teamster was pretty good about it although there were still some idiot chuds who thought T H E U N I O N was stealing their money, or that they legit had less money after a raise because tax brackets because no one explains how those work and the apparent loss was due to the way employers generally do withholding (over withhold and then let the IRS give a refund) rather than the actual tax bracket

that teamster's chapter got all the employees classified as unemployment eligible while still getting 50% base pay and full benefits when all employees were furloughed due to covid

pop fly to McGillicutty
Feb 2, 2004

A peckish little mouse!
She didn't run to get anywhere, she ran so she could say "I'm a politician, you're interfering in elections if I don't have an account" and wouldn't you know it? Her team yesterday demanded that Twitter reinstate her account or it's "election tampering".

silvergoose
Mar 18, 2006

IT IS SAID THE TEARS OF THE BWEENIX CAN HEAL ALL WOUNDS




pop fly to McGillicutty posted:

She didn't run to get anywhere, she ran so she could say "I'm a politician, you're interfering in elections if I don't have an account" and wouldn't you know it? Her team yesterday demanded that Twitter reinstate her account or it's "election tampering".

And they said no afaik

Mercury_Storm
Jun 12, 2003

*chomp chomp chomp*
wow Loomer is such a piece of poo poo that not even Tormp will support her



..or wait was it JT Lewis that deleted the reply about how she is a sandy hook hoaxer

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011

Mercury_Storm posted:

wow Loomer is such a piece of poo poo that not even Tormp will support her



..or wait was it JT Lewis that deleted the reply about how she is a sandy hook hoaxer

Trump already endorsed her lmao

Mercury_Storm
Jun 12, 2003

*chomp chomp chomp*
Yeah I thought it was trump deleting the tweet supporting her lol

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


Mercury_Storm posted:

Yeah I thought it was trump deleting the tweet supporting her lol

A strong daddy never, ever admits to doing anything wrong.

Declan MacManus
Sep 1, 2011

damn i'm really in this bitch

Mercury_Storm posted:

wow Loomer is such a piece of poo poo that not even Tormp will support her



..or wait was it JT Lewis that deleted the reply about how she is a sandy hook hoaxer

jt lewis decided “you know what? my brother’s loving dead and i got a good job at the bootlicking factory, i gotta look out for me”

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 197 days!

vyelkin posted:

I remember it differently, Chief is the protagonist of the episode and it follows him around as he explores the dangers of the industrial apparatus, the legitimate grievances for why the workers are striking, his exploration of the emerging caste system, and so on. He tries to raise these issues with the admiral and president, but gets blown off because "we need the fuel chief, all that matters is get them working again I don't give a poo poo how many people die". Iirc in this scene the elite leaders are also like eating fancy food or something to make the disparity really obvious. The chief goes back and restarts the machinery using the street cred he'd built up as the union leader on New Caprica, but then a child worker is instantly maimed and he shuts it all down and declares a strike again. He only caves when the admiral literally gives the order to have his wife shot because he can't have fighter pilots going on strike or disobeying orders to do a suicide mission or something like that.

The bow they put on it at the end is the chief finally gets to sit down with the president and when he rationally explains the problems she's like "oh yeah good point we should have listened to you all along, welp guess you're the head of the union again and we should do proper labour negotiations", which serves to make the president and admiral who are the usual protagonists look like good guys again. But most of the episode is spent showing how the chief is right to do what he does because conditions for workers are so egregious.


this is a very fair point though

the whole pegasus plot line was pretty explicitly anti-fascist as well, what with the whole "oh yeah we stripped the civilian ships of parts and left them to die" thing to set the tone

with the caveat that again it was to make the conservative military/liberal civilian leadership look good by way of contrast, although i think it was someone lower down the totem pole who almost starts a war with pegasus because they kill a fascist while saving a cylon crewmember from being tortured to death

also should note the multiple evil opportunists who are or become left-wing politicians (okay i can't remember if baltar ever goes left but there was that other guy who was the crooked revolutionary/politician)

BIG FLUFFY DOG
Feb 16, 2011

On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog.


ShadowHawk posted:

If anyone's ever interested, it is surprisingly not difficult to get a congressional nomination this way. No serious politician wants to run in a certain-loss district, so completely inexperienced and unconnected people can end up as the nominee by default.

this one was actually somewhat competitive though because its president trumps district

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


JT Lewis whining about a Sandy Hook truther when he's doing his damndest to ensure Sandy Hooks keep happening is obnoxious.

Shugojin
Sep 6, 2007

THE TAIL THAT BURNS TWICE AS BRIGHT...


Groovelord Neato posted:

JT Lewis whining about a Sandy Hook truther when he's doing his damndest to ensure Sandy Hooks keep happening is obnoxious.

ah, so he's fully aware that it happened and just thinks the blood of 6 year olds is a fair price to pay for boombooms

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Hodgepodge posted:

also should note the multiple evil opportunists who are or become left-wing politicians (okay i can't remember if baltar ever goes left but there was that other guy who was the crooked revolutionary/politician)

One of Baltar's many reinventions is as a left-wing political prisoner who writes and smuggles out of his jail cell a populist treatise about how the patrician elites are running the fleet against the interests of ordinary people. This comes shortly before his final reinvention as the leader of a sex cult so, y'know

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Shugojin posted:

ah, so he's fully aware that it happened and just thinks the blood of 6 year olds is a fair price to pay for boombooms

He's aware it happened because his brother was murdered in it but he humps the "school safety" bullshit and is against gun control like the Parkland dad. He's one of the most disgusting people I know of.

ElGroucho
Nov 1, 2005

We already - What about sticking our middle fingers up... That was insane
Fun Shoe

I honestly hate this motherfucker

gently caress Grimes too, i bet her pussy is trash

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Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 197 days!

vyelkin posted:

One of Baltar's many reinventions is as a left-wing political prisoner who writes and smuggles out of his jail cell a populist treatise about how the patrician elites are running the fleet against the interests of ordinary people. This comes shortly before his final reinvention as the leader of a sex cult so, y'know

otoh the sex cult is evidently a literal divine reward for embracing monotheism and then learning how to actually not be a total piece of poo poo

so in other words, sex cults are a land on contrast (in mormon scifi)

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse

ElGroucho posted:

I honestly hate this motherfucker

gently caress Grimes too, i bet her pussy is trash

What do I need to know about Grimes?

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BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.
Or "Grimey" as they like to be called.

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