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Celexi
Nov 25, 2006

Slava Ukraini!

That camera died, rip.

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Rah!
Feb 21, 2006


Celexi posted:

That camera died, rip.

the final 20 minutes:

https://i.imgur.com/Hcm6NFi.mp4

El Mero Mero
Oct 13, 2001

Chimp_On_Stilts posted:

Any studies / reports / historical examples / etc. of wildfires such as these jumping from the forest into suburbia?


Every year. When I first moved here, having grown up in Idaho, I was just like "whatever, we get fires too. Just let a few mountains burn down."

Then I realized that california is just sprawling suburbs and single-family housing forever.

(also hurricane winds are a thing here. It's insane)

Celexi
Nov 25, 2006

Slava Ukraini!

I think this one is the next in line to burn:
http://www.alertwildfire.org/southeastbay/index.html?camera=Axis-SRVFDStation31&v=81e002f

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

super-scientific, ultra-gay

Lipstick Apathy

Still Dismal posted:

I am, to put it very mildly, not enamored of the prop. 13 landed gentry homeowner class, but I’m pessimistic about the effect that the pandemic will have on our chances of repeal. Homeowners will likely make up a even larger portion of the electorate than usual this election I think. Renters are more likely to have been evicted, in the process of moving and thus not registered yet, or moved out of the state entirely, etc.

:wave: hello from rural WA where i live in friends' living room now

GrandpaPants
Feb 13, 2006


Free to roam the heavens in man's noble quest to investigate the weirdness of the universe!

This seems sorta major: Lyft suspends CA operations

https://www.lyft.com/blog/posts/ca-operations-update

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

GrandpaPants posted:

This seems sorta major: Lyft suspends CA operations

https://www.lyft.com/blog/posts/ca-operations-update

Uber and Lyft raised a fuss about this, but this must backfire immensely, CA has to be a massive portion of their US business. otoh, it means they'll lose less money this way.

Wicked Them Beats
Apr 1, 2007

Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

I love this poo poo

quote:

For multiple years, we’ve been advocating for a path to offer benefits to drivers who use the Lyft platform — including a minimum earnings guarantee and a healthcare subsidy

As if someone was stopping them from giving their drivers health insurance or fair wages. They were totally gonna start, any day now!

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Wicked Them Beats posted:

I love this poo poo


As if someone was stopping them from giving their drivers health insurance or fair wages. They were totally gonna start, any day now!

We just need the state to give us a free hand to decide the minimums for our workers and we will give them fair market wages don't worry!

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki

pentyne posted:

Uber and Lyft raised a fuss about this, but this must backfire immensely, CA has to be a massive portion of their US business. otoh, it means they'll lose less money this way.

lol

Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

pentyne posted:

Uber and Lyft raised a fuss about this, but this must backfire immensely, CA has to be a massive portion of their US business. otoh, it means they'll lose less money this way.

They literally can't run their business if asked to run like a business.

Their entire business model is designed around not having to actually treat employees like employees.

Wicked Them Beats
Apr 1, 2007

Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

Jaxyon posted:

They literally can't run their business if asked to run like a business.

Their entire business model is designed around not having to actually treat employees like employees.

Their business model doesn't turn a profit as it is. They just keep promising investors that profitability is around the bend and the investors keep shoveling cash into the pit because they don't have anything better to do with their money.

If California makes them treat their drivers as employees then they'll never achieve the mythic profitable quarter they've been promising.

Infinite Karma
Oct 23, 2004
Good as dead





Wicked Them Beats posted:

Their business model doesn't turn a profit as it is. They just keep promising investors that profitability is around the bend and the investors keep shoveling cash into the pit because they don't have anything better to do with their money.

If California makes them treat their drivers as employees then they'll never achieve the mythic profitable quarter they've been promising.
The one and only thing I dream of is these investors losing hundreds of millions of dollars as fallout of their massive exploitation instead of turning a profit on the backs of corporate socialism and regulatory capture.

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

Their entire business proposition is:

-hoover up ungodly amounts of VC cash to build market share while losing money
-magically develop autonomous vehicles
-become profitable by owning the whole market and not needing to pay drivers

that second step is 100% not happening any time soon so it is all a farce

Dr. Fraiser Chain
May 18, 2004

Redlining my shit posting machine


It's giving these companies what they want. An exit plan that blames government

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

The shut down is clearly a PR move because they're pushing a prop this November to carve out an exception for themselves.

Will it work? Guess we're gonna find out.

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

Uber is the most unprofitable company in the history of companies. That's not a hyperbole.

They pulled the same poo poo in Austin too over lesser poo poo and eventually came back, although this CA ruling effects their entire business model.

Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute

"What if we got Uber drivers to deliver the mail!?"

*Entire conservative think tank roundtable erupts in applause*

Cup Runneth Over
Aug 8, 2009

She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate



No need to choose. USPS is gubmint and wasting taxpayer dollars (nevermind that it doesn't get any. libs want it to!!). Uber and Lyft are private enterprise being sabotaged by Big Gubmint Regulations. sacramento created rideshare bowl!!!!

DeadFatDuckFat
Oct 29, 2012

This avatar brought to you by the 'save our dead gay forums' foundation.


Oh god what if trump turns lyft/uber into the new post office

HelloSailorSign
Jan 27, 2011

Areas bidding in an online portal to get their mail delivered

acksplode
May 17, 2004



Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds thanks to the new surge pricing feature that we're rolling out today!

sincx
Jul 13, 2012

furiously masturbating to anime titties
.

sincx fucked around with this message at 05:49 on Mar 23, 2021

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?


Hair Elf
As does this


https://twitter.com/MikeIsaac/status/1296528342305275904

quote:

OAKLAND, Calif. — Uber and Lyft threatened to suspend ride-hailing services throughout California on Thursday night, a defiant reaction to a judge who ordered the companies to reclassify their drivers as employees.

But hours before the ride-hailing blackout was set to begin, an appeals court granted Uber and Lyft a temporary reprieve, allowing them to continue operating while the court weighs their appeal. Oral arguments in the case are set for mid-October.

“We are glad that the court of appeals recognized the important questions raised in this case, and that access to these critical services won’t be cut off while we continue to advocate for drivers’ ability to work with the freedom they want,” said Matt Kallman, a spokesman for Uber.

The fight could drag on for months, as Uber and Lyft battle a state labor law intended to give employment benefits to gig workers. An appeals court is weighing the companies’ requests to overturn a judge’s order to employ drivers, but it is not clear when the court will issue a ruling. The court has ordered Uber and Lyft to submit plans for hiring employees by early September, in case the court does not decide in their favor.

Enigma89
Jan 2, 2007

by CVG
Did Prop 16 get discussed yet? I went back like 5 pages and it's all fire chat.

My knee jerk reaction is no on 16 but i am thinking on it.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Give it time give it sweet time and thus country will not pass a single law before a board of directors of global corps decide it's viable or not.

FB Google and the big tech Bois will next start suppressing journalism and buying up media platforms to propagate pro tech propaganda.

Wicked Them Beats
Apr 1, 2007

Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

Enigma89 posted:

Did Prop 16 get discussed yet? I went back like 5 pages and it's all fire chat.

My knee jerk reaction is no on 16 but i am thinking on it.

That's the repeal on the affirmative action ban? Vote yes, affirmative action is good and "race blind" policy would only be useful in a society that wasn't as viciously racist as ours.

Jan
Feb 27, 2008

The disruptive powers of excessive national fecundity may have played a greater part in bursting the bonds of convention than either the power of ideas or the errors of autocracy.
Maybe Uber/Lyft could spend all that money and effort lobbying for Medicare For All, then they won't have to pay for health care for their "contract" workers?

GrandpaPants
Feb 13, 2006


Free to roam the heavens in man's noble quest to investigate the weirdness of the universe!

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

FB Google and the big tech Bois will next start suppressing journalism and buying up media platforms to propagate pro tech propaganda.

Start?

Wicked Them Beats
Apr 1, 2007

Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

Jan posted:

Maybe Uber/Lyft could spend all that money and effort lobbying for Medicare For All, then they won't have to pay for health care for their "contract" workers?

Yeah but then a bunch of their drivers wouldn't need to work, making drivers in higher demand and increasing the wages they'd have to pay to maintain a healthy retention rate.

If we want to truly support the market we should actually go the other way and give everyone $20k in undischargeable debt owed to their employer, and only payable in their employer's scrip so as to prevent poaching of quality workers.

Enigma89
Jan 2, 2007

by CVG

Wicked Them Beats posted:

That's the repeal on the affirmative action ban? Vote yes, affirmative action is good and "race blind" policy would only be useful in a society that wasn't as viciously racist as ours.

Yes but isn't this a slippery slope?

bawfuls
Oct 28, 2009

Enigma89 posted:

Yes but isn't this a slippery slope?
what? you have to fix the underlying structural issues before you can remove the band-aid meant to ameliorate them in the meantime

Wicked Them Beats
Apr 1, 2007

Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.

Enigma89 posted:

Yes but isn't this a slippery slope?

To what? Black people getting hired?

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH
Is there any reasonable take to the ride-share stuff that isn't just going back to the old status quo? It's one of those I never talk about here because I'd rather lick boot of Lyft/Uber than turn the clock back ten years. I feel like the way to help people in the gig economy is the same M4A and UBI formula that helps a lot of society. Maybe California should look into that.

Unfortunately, it's not just the big two tech companies. Women Driving Women told my Mom they're winding down over this too, and they provide a useful service for at-risk riders like seniors and children in a couple counties.

luminalflux
May 27, 2005



Craptacular! posted:

Is there any reasonable take to the ride-share stuff that isn't just going back to the old status quo?

Abolish the medallion system and increase the number of taxis. Probably with some regulation that makes it so drivers can't dodge fares just because someone has the wrong skin color / gender / is going to the wrong neighborhood.

As an example: Taxis in Stockholm are very deregulated - no limit on how many there can be, and a very generous upper limit on pricing. It used to be that independent taxis would charge hilarious amounts for short trips and scam cruise ship tourists, but this was OK since the placard with comparison prices did indeed point this out. They've since added a price ceiling. All taxis have apps, all taxis are clean and the drivers are pretty good.

When Uber opened in Stockholm, my perception was that nobody really took it because it didn't really fill a niche - it was priced similarly to taxis and the taxis all had apps by then too so it didn't differentiate on that. What I didn't reflect on, as a cis white male, is that my friends with mideast background would prefer Ubers since they would regularly get ignored as fares, esp in peak traffic (think, coming home from bars).

Aerox
Jan 8, 2012
I just posted this in the LA thread too but this appears to be our response to all of this and it seems...good?

https://twitter.com/metrolosangeles/status/1296538762705620992

I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop but tentatively this seems pretty positive.

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019

bawfuls posted:

Their entire business proposition is:

-hoover up ungodly amounts of VC cash to build market share while losing money
-magically develop autonomous vehicles
-become profitable by owning the whole market and not needing to pay drivers

that second step is 100% not happening any time soon so it is all a farce

it’s about destroying what’s left of public transit

sincx
Jul 13, 2012

furiously masturbating to anime titties
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atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

super-scientific, ultra-gay

Lipstick Apathy

Somebody isn't familiar with Amazon Presents the Washington Post lol

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