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I've always wondered about a civilization that made astronomical observations that indicated there was an advanced spacefaring civilization out there. Like "yeah we could detect your massive radio emissions, you've been blasting them out for the last 200 years and you're only 70 light years away."
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So what happens to Single Female Lawyer?
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Another TOS S3 episode down Elaan of Troyius- Overall I would say it's a pretty good episode. You get a lot more galactic politics than TOS usually ever mentions. The TNG episode 'The Perfect Mate' clearly took a lot from this episode (it's almost identical). It also gave me vibes of 'Journey to Babel', where another power is trying to interfere in a Federation negotiation. The main issue is that the driving force of the episode is the relationship between Elaan and Kirk, and that is all over the place. For a good chunk of the episode he's supposed to be helping her to fit in on the new planet she's going to, but that kind of goes out the window when Kirk is exposed to her tears and can't keep himself off of her. I just felt like that plot took a seat in the second half of the episode to the Klingon attack plot. I do think it's a good performance by Shatner, but the story isn't tight enough to make this a classic. It's above average and probably among the better S3 episodes though.
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Aug 22, 2020 19:56
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV8LB6TuJaU
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Aug 22, 2020 21:17
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Owlbear Camus posted:These are mostly hardcore Trekies, so they will be comfortable with me name checking the Vorta and the Corbomite Maneuver and will probably have a picture in mind if I just say the words "nebula class starship." I always wanted a series that follows up specifically on the Dyson sphere in "Relics." That'd be a great place to start down this path, your Oberth is sent for a long-term mission and finds, well the possibilities are almost limitless with that much to explore. E.g. this is their original system and they moved on when the star became unstable, leaving this as energy collection station #1, but you could have any number of scenarios inside the thing before even tipping your hand on the larger reveal. Depending on how long term this is going to be.
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Aug 22, 2020 23:35
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Son of Sam-I-Am posted:I always wanted a series that follows up specifically on the Dyson sphere in "Relics." Star Trek Online has a storyline that does this.
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Aug 22, 2020 23:48
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There was a novel (like one of three Trek books I ever read) that did so as well, with an all-Horta crewed starship entering the Sphere to explore it, not worrying about how long it'll take because they live for a thousand years and also using their natural 'inside-out' subterranean lifeform instincts for the exploration.
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Aug 23, 2020 00:00
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EimiYoshikawa posted:There was a novel (like one of three Trek books I ever read) that did so as well, with an all-Horta crewed starship entering the Sphere to explore it, not worrying about how long it'll take because they live for a thousand years and also using their natural 'inside-out' subterranean lifeform instincts for the exploration.
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Aug 23, 2020 00:50
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Sash! posted:I've always wondered about a civilization that made astronomical observations that indicated there was an advanced spacefaring civilization out there. Like "yeah we could detect your massive radio emissions, you've been blasting them out for the last 200 years and you're only 70 light years away." Hmm, I wonder how visible to our current real world observation the Federation would be. They use subspace communication, they don't have structures larger than space docks, they warp from place to place faster than light. Things like large matter/anti-matter explosions in war, the activation of the Genesis device, things like V'ger might be visible to a current civilization if they were looking in the correct direction at the correct time.
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Aug 23, 2020 01:17
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LRADIKAL posted:Hmm, I wonder how visible to our current real world observation the Federation would be. They use subspace communication, they don't have structures larger than space docks, they warp from place to place faster than light. This is true. On the other hand, their capital is in Paris, their naval academy is in San Francisco, and their major shipyard is on Mars. So all that would probably be hard to keep hidden from people. More seriously, though, those ships have got to have major energy expenditures. Epicurius fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Aug 23, 2020 |
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Aug 23, 2020 01:40
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*A FEDERATION TYPE CIVILIZATION They drop some numbers a bunch of time. However, most of the time they're simply radiation shielded fusion reactors. Warp seems pretty efficient, and I never hear them complaining about heat management!
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Aug 23, 2020 02:03
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Who's to say that radio and TV aren't being used by some section of the population? People still like records. There could even be some kind of return-to-our-roots sect that thinks 20th century communications technology is a more pure and wholesome form of communication and entertainment than subspace and holodecks.
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Aug 23, 2020 02:50
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Radio communications blend into the background noise in a pretty small sphere. Maybe the Federation wouldn't want to pollute with radio waves?
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Aug 23, 2020 03:19
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I recall hearing that our air defense radars are just vomiting emissions out into space that anyone could spot from way out. I don't see any reason that local air traffic control for Earth-based traffic to use anything more complicated than good old radio based sensors and they'd be just as powerful, if not more, than what we've got now.
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Aug 23, 2020 03:21
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Drone posted:Jake is so much better than Wesley it's not even funny. Wesley was some vague prodigy type that every old man can't help but want to mentor. It was weird. edit: wait I somehow skipped two pages. SardonicTyrant fucked around with this message at 04:15 on Aug 23, 2020 |
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Aug 23, 2020 04:13
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LRADIKAL posted:Hmm, I wonder how visible to our current real world observation the Federation would be. They use subspace communication, they don't have structures larger than space docks, they warp from place to place faster than light. Space Dock would be detected the same night it showed up, as would a starship in orbit. They are painted white. Not many large objects painted white floating around in the Earth-Moon system. Modern surveys run automatically and a simple program notifies astronomers when a candidate for a new object appears. There's a huge back log for such candidates but I suspect a 300 meter long object radiating like crazy would jump to the top of the list. The current near object astronomy surveys are set up to detect rocks the color of raw iron that have been cold for 4 billion years. A starship adrift with nothing but life support is still 240 degrees hotter than an asteroid. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Aug 23, 2020 |
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Aug 23, 2020 04:30
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Epinephrine posted:Who's to say that radio and TV aren't being used by some section of the population? People still like records. There could even be some kind of return-to-our-roots sect that thinks 20th century communications technology is a more pure and wholesome form of communication and entertainment than subspace and holodecks. Couldn't hobbyists living a few hundred light years from earth watch and listen to broadcasts "live"? NBC's must-see Thursday night lineup could be a big deal all over again.
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Aug 23, 2020 04:56
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Apollo 12's third stage is 18 meters long and they found it in Earth orbit in 2002 so they could probably find a 200 meter starship. It hadn't been orbiting Earth for 30 years; it must have been recaptured shortly before being located.
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Aug 23, 2020 05:14
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Couldn't hobbyists living a few hundred light years from earth watch and listen to broadcasts "live"? NBC's must-see Thursday night lineup could be a big deal all over again. Technically yes, but the signals get weaker the further out they go. They’d need some pretty sensitive equipment to pick up fuzzy first runs of Community. 
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Aug 23, 2020 05:46
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I've heard our broadcasts get unintelligible but the signals from air defense radars would go out quite a ways, as would anything deliberately intended for signalling. I imagine the Federation would probably try to take pains to disguise any installations they needed to build for reasons of space geography that were within the near occasion of a civilization-bearing planet. That said we have only fairly recently been able to detect exoplanets at all. Subspace and warp drive would be pretty hard to guess. I remember the mcguffin for the novel Prime Directive's first act was that the planet they were arguing over had naturally occuring dilithium near the surface, which reacted with subspace signals and could have given away the presence of the feds. What would be interesting additional RPG hook would be a civilization which was very well developed, perhaps even doing the Gundam colony thing in their planetary system, but had either not discovered the warp drive or had the invention suppressed or used in some weird way instead of being interstellar FTL.
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Aug 23, 2020 06:47
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Couldn't hobbyists living a few hundred light years from earth watch and listen to broadcasts "live"? NBC's must-see Thursday night lineup could be a big deal all over again.
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Nessus posted:What would be interesting additional RPG hook would be a civilization which was very well developed, perhaps even doing the Gundam colony thing in their planetary system, but had either not discovered the warp drive or had the invention suppressed or used in some weird way instead of being interstellar FTL. A civilization that has good enough instrumentation they are aware of stuff like the Dominion War and Borg incursions at least in terms of scale and destructiveness. Theoretically could develop extra-solar travel but took one look at all the planet destroyers and energy beings and warring empires and said "welp, galaxy's haunted by monsters, we have enough resources in our system to do just fine. It would be foolish for us to wade into those waters with our first draft vessels with everyone else having a head start of centuries and plenty of them out to do violence."
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Aug 23, 2020 08:51
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Could tie it in with the Dyson Sphere from Relics - "Yep, we'll worry about the rest of the galaxy just as soon as we've finished our megaproject here."
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Owlbear Camus posted:I'm going to do some classic "planet/forhead alien/moral quandry of the week," but what are some good plot hooks specifically for the setting in the timeline? An incredibly dangerous planet (fungi want to eat your brain, everything's at 600°F, the entire continent is covered in angry spiders, whatever) inhabited by 'natives' who are actually the at-least-several-generations-since descendants of an original set of stranded colonists, who genetically re-engineered themselves to survive as all their technology broke down. They're basically off-brand Krogan now, with a natural lifespace and breeding rate that is literally existentially dangerous to other societies if they were to be removed from the dangers of the planet (have the computer voice do some scary-sounding extrapolations of expansion rate to really rub it in). As the crew pieces together the story from distress radio beacons still in orbit and from buried technology caches, they have to decide if the Prime Directive applies here, and what the heck to do about this situation if it doesn't. Zurui posted:Speaking of, I was thinking last night how great it is that Lower Decks would enable TNG/DS9/VOY characters to do voice cameos even though they've aged and then I got real sad because the one I want to see most went to the Great Cast Reunion in the Stars I can only think of a mobile hospital ship staffed entirely by those outdated EMHs, all voiced by Robert Picardo talking over himself constantly. Roadie fucked around with this message at 10:41 on Aug 23, 2020 |
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Aug 23, 2020 10:30
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LRADIKAL posted:and I never hear them complaining about heat management! what do you think a coolant leak is
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Roadie posted:I can only think of mobile hospital ship staffed entirely by those outdated EMHs, all voiced by Robert Picardo talking over himself constantly. A Fistful of Picardos.
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Roadie posted:An incredibly dangerous planet (fungi want to eat your brain, everything's at 600°F, the entire continent is covered in angry spiders, whatever) inhabited by 'natives' who are actually the at-least-several-generations-since descendants of an original set of stranded colonists, who genetically re-engineered themselves to survive as all their technology broke down. They're basically off-brand Krogan now, with a natural lifespace and breeding rate that is literally existentially dangerous to other societies if they were to be removed from the dangers of the planet (have the computer voice do some scary-sounding extrapolations of expansion rate to really rub it in). As the crew pieces together the story from distress radio beacons still in orbit and from buried technology caches, they have to decide if the Prime Directive applies here, and what the heck to do about this situation if it doesn't.
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Nessus posted:Fertility rate anxiety feels wrong for Star Trek. Isn't this, in essence, a plot point in a TNG episode, maybe The Masterpiece Society? (going by hazy memory  )
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Nessus posted:Fertility rate anxiety feels wrong for Star Trek. The TOS Mark of Gideon is all about over population anxiety. A world so overcrowded people just mill about and stare at each other.
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Aug 23, 2020 13:14
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Ah, the Moties.
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Aug 23, 2020 13:35
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When the Bough Breaks would be another
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Statutory Ape posted:Isn't this, in essence, a plot point in a TNG episode, maybe The Masterpiece Society? (going by hazy memory "When The Bough Breaks" has some alien race that can't have children anymore ala Children of Men, scans the Enterprise and the children aboard then transports them to the planet. Then they toss the Enterprise 4 days away or someshit and Wesley saves the day by convincing the other children to give them the silent treatment.
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I've just recommended Past Tense Pts 1 & 2 to my non-Trekkie parents to watch as just a standalone story... I'm curious to see what they'll think of it. If they really like it, there are a few other classic episodes I might get them to watch... I think Measure of a Man and The Offspring would probably go over well. Maybe throw in The Most Toys as well.
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thexerox123 posted:I've just recommended Past Tense Pts 1 & 2 to my non-Trekkie parents to watch as just a standalone story... I'm curious to see what they'll think of it. Perhaps Relics and The Inner Light?
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Cause and Effect and Parallels are pretty good in terms of telling sci-fi stories really well.
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Aug 23, 2020 17:40
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBI3WZNixe4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mbqppsFTeU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Z2Enq-na1U
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Aug 23, 2020 18:12
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haha this one's great
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Statutory Ape posted:Perhaps Relics and The Inner Light? I think they'd appreciate The Inner Light, for sure. Relics, I get the feeling my Dad would like that one more than my Mom. Humerus posted:Cause and Effect and Parallels are pretty good in terms of telling sci-fi stories really well. I think the kind of episodes that would be most up their alley are really good personal stories, and really good social commentary. (And my Dad gets easily frustrated by any sort of non-linear storytelling, much to my constant dismay) Far Beyond the Stars would probably be another good one. thexerox123 fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Aug 23, 2020 |
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Nessus posted:They did some interesting stuff in Star Trek Online with it, including actually getting the visual appearance of the interior correct to what it actually would be. It's certainly weird to see water and clouds directly underneath your ships zooming around. How did they do on the scale though?
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Copping a raktajino mug because I drink too much coffee and have the need for a wide-rear end-cup.
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