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e.pilot posted:The sunset and weather tonight was really something It's like that scene in The Matrix where they pop above the clouds. Above, infinity sunlit beauty. Below, the raging dumpster fire that is 2020.
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Charles posted:I remember the ones for WordPerfect and maybe Lotus 1-2-3? Haha Interstate '76
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The A5 Icon looks like it's a toy for rich fucks to go with their yacht so i'm not surprised a lot of people die in it.
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Ola posted:It's like that scene in The Matrix where they pop above the clouds. Above, infinity sunlit beauty. Below, the raging dumpster fire that is 2020. 
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Aug 23, 2020 14:12
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:The A5 Icon looks like it's a toy for rich fucks to go with their yacht so i'm not surprised a lot of people die in it. It has a truly incredible fatal accident rate.
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Aug 23, 2020 14:17
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Is it pilots killing A5s or is it A5s killing pilots? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhAJrKyg2AA
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Aug 23, 2020 14:28
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:Is it pilots killing A5s or is it A5s killing pilots? Wikipedia has a lot of accidents, and, uh... quote:Witness reports and NTSB data obtained from the aircraft's flight recorder indicate that he was engaged in low flying at the time of the impact.[79][80] Halladay had taken delivery of his new A5 on October 12, 2017.[81][82][83] His was the first of the Model Year 18 aircraft to have been delivered.[50] On January 19, 2018, an autopsy revealed that Halladay had traces of morphine, amphetamine, and Ambien in his body system at the time of his death
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Aug 23, 2020 14:30
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This video has some great stills: An actual image from an advertising video:  The rest speak for themselves   
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Aug 23, 2020 14:36
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I don’t think there’s anything inherently wrong with the A5, but I DO think there’s something horribly wrong with their training pipeline. Their whole business model is centered on getting non-pilots with disposable income into their airplanes without ever really exposing them to the aviation safety culture. It’s not malicious, it’s just... Misguided.
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Aug 23, 2020 14:47
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They make it look fun and if you're having fun flying you're probably about to die.
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:They make it look fun and if you're having fun flying you're probably about to die. You can zoom around the way you've always wanted to1!!! zooming around the way you've always wanted to is specifically against FAA regulation and Federal Law
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MrYenko posted:I don’t think there’s anything inherently wrong with the A5, but I DO think there’s something horribly wrong with their training pipeline. Their whole business model is centered on getting non-pilots with disposable income into their airplanes without ever really exposing them to the aviation safety culture. It’s not malicious, it’s just... Misguided. This is clearly a big FAA conspiracy against pusher props.
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MrYenko posted:I don’t think there’s anything inherently wrong with the A5, but I DO think there’s something horribly wrong with their training pipeline. Their whole business model is centered on getting non-pilots with disposable income into their airplanes without ever really exposing them to the aviation safety culture. It’s not malicious, it’s just... Misguided. This. Cirrus had the same problem early on. Unlike most aircraft manufacturers, Cirrus decided to advertise to non-pilots, by putting ads in publications that people with the kind of disposable income to buy a new airplane would read, and it lead to Cirrus getting a reputation as a "geek killer", since it was the dotcom people who were buying the airplanes. The airplanes were perfectly safe, and Cirrus responded by setting up a training program that helped put their accident rate at the same level as other high performance singles.
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It's the latest iteration of the factors that gave the Bonanza its (somewhat undeserved) reputation as a 'doctor killer', isn't it? The Bonanza incorporated a lot of design and technology from WW2 and was intended to be sold to the thousands of ex-military pilots who - the industry hoped - would want to keep flying in civilian life. As it happened most of the veterans either weren't able to keep flying or showed a marked reluctance to take it up as a hobby. So Beech instead pitched the high-tech Bonanza to affluent civilians and executive users as a sort of flying Buick sedan. Except that a lot of these new Bonanza pilots had low hours and had trained on something like a Cub or a C120 and were stepping into a streamlined six-seater with retractable undercarriage, a 160hp engine, a constant-speed prop, a suite of confidence-inspiring instruments and a 200knt cruise speed. Then you get into the human factors of a lot of relatively inexperienced pilots who, on the ground, are used to risk-taking, and being task-focussed and competent and suddenly you get a load of Bonanzas being lost due to CFIT, unplanned flight into IMC, icing, gear-up landings, pulling the tail off in accidental stalls and pilots just letting the plane - or simply the pace of the flight - get away from them.
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:They make it look fun and if you're having fun flying you're probably about to die. Great thread title imo but maybe a little long.
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Aug 23, 2020 18:05
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Aeronautical Insanity: Having fun, probably about to die.
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MRC48B posted:Aeronautical Insanity: Having fun, probably about to die. this has been my experience in fs2020 so far e: also spending like an hour trying to trim out a cesna 152
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HpR0Qp5j5k Someone’s having fun in FS2020. …we regret to inform you that that’s not a sim.
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Platystemon posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HpR0Qp5j5k can you hit me with some highlight time stamps? I don’t have the mental capacity to deal with 30 minutes of him today
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stolen from Reddit:quote:13:36 - This is not something that I recommend that anyone else tries to do.
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Platystemon posted:stolen from Reddit: He really is the perfect know it all GA pilot
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Also Reddit: “It's really cool seeing all five of the FAA's hazardous attitudes in one video.”
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I've never actually watched a Jerry video, but Jesus, that was a dumbass thing to do. And to put video of it online is just so much worse. Does he also need 4 screens plus a full size iPad in that cockpit?
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you gotta understand when you're the top gun fighter pilot of general aviation your brain can process information at a superhuman level
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Platystemon posted:Also Reddit: I still don't think I've seen resignation but I am sure we will on the gopro they eventually pull out of the wreckage  St_Ides posted:I've never actually watched a Jerry video, but Jesus, that was a dumbass thing to do. And to put video of it online is just so much worse. No, and I'm sure it doesn't actually help his situational awareness to have so many screens to distract him all the time. But he's a Gear Guy. He bought the 414 earlier this year, replacing his 310, which replaced his other 310, which presumably replaced something else... e: the "going to secondary personal minimums" line is probably the all-time classic Jerry, but I think my favorite is when he backtaxis onto a blast pad for his takeoff roll and says "I saw a Citation pilot do this, so you're allowed" e2: found it. 2:53: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stMPlh1kU98&t=173s To his credit, he did post a correction video later, explaining that he was wrong and thought it was a displaced threshold. But his army of yes-men and sycophants and other expert pilots are there to cushion the blow:   
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Platystemon posted:It has a truly incredible fatal accident rate. How many people has it killed?
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I think that's a bit of a mischaracterization. The Icon A5 has/had a high fatal accident rate because it had a few fatal accidents when it was brand new and the fleet had very few hours overall. Having a single fatal accident in the first 200,000 hours of fleet time will make the plane on paper more dangerous than a 172, but you can't reasonably extend the data from one accident that way. That said, it seems like the plane isn't any more or less safe than any other light sport seaplane (which is to say: not as safe as a normal-category bugsmasher), but their advertising and training may have something to do with it. They absolutely have been selling the thing to athletes and tech bros as the next step up from your 4x4 and jetski, and we all know that operators of those vehicles are always safe and conscientious and follow all recommended practices and limitations. They also have been advertising that you can get the light-sport seaplane rating with under 3 weeks of training. I don't doubt that it's technically possible to do so, but there's a shitload of stuff beyond "pull back to go up" that you need to learn to fly well, even if you're only planning on circling around your private island. So combine the low hours and compressed training with the hoon-around attitude that they've been seeming to promote, and it's almost inevitable that you'll start to see stuff like people flying under bridges and spinning the plane at low altitude. Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Aug 23, 2020 |
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flying is the easy part flying safely, that’s the hard part
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Looked up the tail number of a Saratoga parked at my FBO this morning and found an... odd flight:
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Mao Zedong Thot posted:Looked up the tail number of a Saratoga parked at my FBO this morning and found an... odd flight: Those are usually aerial imaging flights, aren't they? Getting us better data for Bing maps to upgrade flight simulator :P
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Yep, aerial imaging or surveying of some kind. As if there isn't already enough aerial photography of NYC geez
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Aug 23, 2020 22:54
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Looking for that 200 story NYC monolith.
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Straight lines is imaging. Circles is surveillance. There's a twitter bot in every city for the second kind.
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evil_bunnY posted:Straight lines is imaging. Circles is surveillance. There's a twitter bot in every city for the second kind. Do helicopter pilots ever get dizzy from doing this for long periods of time?  Or is "not chundering while circling" a skill you acquire when you join LAPD / CHP's air division?
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Sagebrush posted:I think that's a bit of a mischaracterization. The Icon A5 has/had a high fatal accident rate because it had a few fatal accidents when it was brand new and the fleet had very few hours overall. Having a single fatal accident in the first 200,000 hours of fleet time will make the plane on paper more dangerous than a 172, but you can't reasonably extend the data from one accident that way. So how long would it take for one of those to depreciate enough to be affordable to someone that isn’t stupid wealthy? I don’t recall them being horrendously expensive, but I don’t see myself being able to fly one before a whole from now. Nothing wrong with leasing a Cessna or whatever, but the design of that thing gives the ol’ brain the good chemicals.
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Sagebrush posted:I think that's a bit of a mischaracterization. The Icon A5 has/had a high fatal accident rate because it had a few fatal accidents when it was brand new and the fleet had very few hours overall. Having a single fatal accident in the first 200,000 hours of fleet time will make the plane on paper more dangerous than a 172, but you can't reasonably extend the data from one accident that way. Yeah I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with the plane, and the 3 deaths listed on Wikipedia, 1 was a guy on drugs doing stupid poo poo, the other 2 were employees doing stupid poo poo. This is funny though, they basically tried to do a EULA: quote:In April 2016, the ICON A5 purchaser's agreement was made public and was noted by the aviation media as containing many controversial elements not usually found in aircraft purchase agreements. These included contractually required pilot training, maintenance, agreements not to sue, the requirement for factory airframe overhauls every 2,000 hours or ten years (whichever comes first), and a limit on the aircraft's life of 6,000 hours, or thirty years. Furthermore, each aircraft would be equipped with a camera and recorder to monitor pilot behavior, that is owned by the manufacturer but must be maintained by the owner. Owners would have to agree to be "supportive" of the company. Future owners were required to sign the same agreement or face penalties.[55][56] Maybe the required training and dashcam/CVR was a good thing though?
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:I saw you in Flight Simulator today Add me then, surprised you didn't 'crash' into me.
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drunkill posted:Add me then, surprised you didn't 'crash' into me. You were over the horizon somewhere.
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Warbird posted:So how long would it take for one of those to depreciate enough to be affordable to someone that isn’t stupid wealthy? I don’t recall them being horrendously expensive, but I don’t see myself being able to fly one before a whole from now. Nothing wrong with leasing a Cessna or whatever, but the design of that thing gives the ol’ brain the good chemicals. If you want an affordable flying boat, the SeaRey has been around forever  Basically the same performance and capacity as the Icon, without the car dashboard and the parachute, for like $70,000 instead of $350,000. If you want the smallest and cheapest amphibious thing that can still be called an airplane, the Challenger XL-65 on floats is about $35,000 all in  Me, though, if I had Icon money I'd be buying a LISA Akoya  Same price as the Icon, same capability, better performance, and good lord is it pretty. Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Aug 24, 2020 |
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