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london is a gigantic washing machine for the global profits of drug, arms and human trafficking we don't need to pretend its anything more than that imo
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also seeing lots of remainers on twitter mocking the qanon weirdos and yet the remainers are desperate to remain part of the continent that gave us gladio, marc dutroux, the latvian and portugese ped rings, and so forth. very curious!
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Aug 30, 2020 14:37
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https://twitter.com/FromSteveHowell/status/1299723555291181057 Good thread responding to the funneling of campaign funds to safe seats.
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Aug 30, 2020 14:50
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I've been spending the day brewing some beer. I've decided to video and document this one. If anyone is interested I can post the links up when it's all done.  Boiling noises get realllllll creepy when slowed down: https://imgur.com/NNi2ryp 
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Aug 30, 2020 14:58
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london is also where a lot of european financial refugees went after neoliberalism destroyed the economy of southern europe and those people deserve better
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Aug 30, 2020 14:58
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gh0stpinballa posted:london is a gigantic washing machine for the global profits of drug, arms and human trafficking we don't need to pretend its anything more than that imo Yeah mate 9 million people and all we do is that and laugh at the poors. Or maybe... the vast majority of people in London are just as hosed over - indeed even more so - by the ludicrous excesses of capitalism which is why London has been one of the most reliably socialist areas of the country for about as long as socialism has existed and this sort of attitude is just as dumb as "HURR EVERYONE IN THE NORTH IS A FLAG SHAGGING BREXITEER".
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Aug 30, 2020 15:06
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gh0stpinballa posted:london is a gigantic washing machine for the global profits of drug, arms and human trafficking we don't need to pretend its anything more than that imo Good food tho Edit: also what twisto said. I'm an East Londoner, not seeing many plutocrats down Barking Parade tbqh
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Aug 30, 2020 15:10
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Oh yeah so gloriously poor those londoners with their gold paved streets.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Yeah mate 9 million people and all we do is that and laugh at the poors. my post was clearly discussing london as an economic hub kept afloat by money laundering for organized crime, which puts something of a dent in grand talk of its positive aspects yes but is necessary context. i said nothing at all about the normal people who live there. there is no need to lash out like this due to some sense of shame, i don't hold you or any other ordinary londoner responsible for the undeniable fact that it is a gigantic washing machine for blood money, "the most corrupt financial power in the world", as described by investigative journalist roberto saviano and proven in multiple investigations by e.g. antimafia prosecutors. none of that is on you friend. it is not your fault. it is not your fault. gh0stpinballa fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Aug 30, 2020 |
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Aug 30, 2020 15:17
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e: removed an uncomradely comment
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Aug 30, 2020 15:30
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OK fine let's not pile on.
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big scary monsters posted:e: removed an uncomradely comment voting rights for the london mayoral election unfortunately extend to all the greater london counties too, the notorious left wing bastions of Hertfordshire, Berkshire, Buckinghamshire, Kent and Surrey.
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It's true that the Home Counties are possibly the most cursed place on Earth, so I should probably cut Londoners some slack considering their neighbours.
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gh0stpinballa posted:my post was clearly discussing london as an economic hub kept afloat by money laundering for organized crime, which puts something of a dent in grand talk of its positive aspects yes but is necessary context. i said nothing at all about the normal people who live there. there is no need to lash out like this due to some sense of shame, i don't hold you or any other ordinary londoner responsible for the undeniable fact that it is a gigantic washing machine for blood money, "the most corrupt financial power in the world", as described by investigative journalist roberto saviano and proven in multiple investigations by e.g. antimafia prosecutors. gh0stpinballa posted:we don't need to pretend its anything more than that imo
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The perception that South East England, the official region of England in which most of the home counties are located, was universally wealthy as inaccurate and noted that 500,000 people in the region lived in areas that were within the 20% most deprived areas in the country with deprivation concentrated in coastal areas such as Margate (Kent) and Hastings (Sussex). Significant areas of deprivation were also found in the urban areas of south Hampshire and Slough.
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kecske posted:voting rights for the london mayoral election unfortunately extend to all the greater london counties too, the notorious left wing bastions of Hertfordshire, Berkshire, Buckinghamshire, Kent and Surrey. ...is this a joke in response to that deleted post? Because obviously GLA and Mayoral elections - by definition - only extend to Greater London, no matter what people hanging on to Middlesex/Surrey/Essex postcodes would have you believe.
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gh0stpinballa posted:my post was clearly discussing london as an economic hub kept afloat by money laundering for organized crime, which puts something of a dent in grand talk of its positive aspects yes but is necessary context. i said nothing at all about the normal people who live there. there is no need to lash out like this due to some sense of shame, i don't hold you or any other ordinary londoner responsible for the undeniable fact that it is a gigantic washing machine for blood money, "the most corrupt financial power in the world", as described by investigative journalist roberto saviano and proven in multiple investigations by e.g. antimafia prosecutors. anyone know any good books or media about this? i've been brushing into this kinda territory while reading lately but never read anything dedicated to it. tbh if i was in the UK i wouldn't write it cause thats one of the very few things here that can actually get you killed to talk about
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Jose posted:We are a joke of a country Someone edit this to say MAKES U THINK e: and there's a giant thinking emoji poking over the clouds
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i mean we don't need to pretend its anything more than that? im sure it helps ease the horror but the people who actually own london are under no illusions about what the city is really there for. in fact the financiers and speculators and bought politicians are eagerly pushing out more and more people outside their circle so they can build more empty office blocks and apartments so all the dirty money has somewhere safe to hide. because that is all it is there for. the response to the grenfell fire is a perfect example, the first move was to ignore the incident then when that failed try to kick the residents out of london entirely. bizarre to be getting so defensive of it when it hates you and only wants your labour and rent.
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I feel like the logical conclusion of that train of thought is just to want everyone everywhere to die, though.
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OwlFancier posted:I feel like the logical conclusion of that train of thought is just to want everyone everywhere to die, though. well no its not is it, unless you believe the vampires in the city are somehow necessary for london and londoners to function. the logical conclusion is to stake the vampires and introduce laws making it impossible for this kind of graft, money laundering and exploitation to happen, and thru property requisition, affordable housing, well paying jobs etc bring back a city of community and mutual trust where people feel like they have a purpose and a sense of belonging.
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Jose posted:We are a joke of a country SHͶ Ƞ ꞰͶⱯHꓕ What kind of commie writing is this meant to be. Coming over here, desecrating are skies.
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Would be quite poetic if some senile old boomer came out and shot it down because they thought it was the gerries like in the films
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In another decade the trope of the English north as nationally left-wing in any 'natural' sense will be dead, and the new generation of energetic left-wing activists would be baffled that it could be or have been anything but reactionary. Compare e.g., considering the US south as naturally leftier, as it was for many decades once (or, more recently, considering the Italian south as naturally leftier)... twisto has the side of the march of history here, I think... It never mattered whether it was, strictly speaking, true in order to be an effective political motif. But the motif's effectiveness is rapidly eroding. It's not that the left will fall in love with high finance, but there will be markedly less enthusiasm for attacking London as a place which could burn down tomorrow and humanity would be better off (and instead the latter, where low-effort leftie shitposting will specifically poo poo all over them reactionary hicks from the sticks instead.... there will always be more qualified, nuanced takes, of course, but so do  takes)Far-left politics in an urban context orients mainly around local politics and municipalism, fused with the rhetoric of radical transformation to buffer credibility against stealth cuts - that niche the French communists have been surviving in since their decline nationally. It's a sustainable niche, but a self-limiting one... the inherent contradiction here is that this does not really challenge the neoliberal reorientation of public services towards being measured by the value delivered to voters as consumers/recipients, rather than on the value delivered to state employees/workers. Local government dominates in healthcare, education, and local transit, and disruption to these industries would rapidly threaten the claim to superior municipal governance - limited space for prestige megaprojects or freewheeling financial transformations here. ronya fucked around with this message at 17:14 on Aug 30, 2020 |
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gh0stpinballa posted:i mean we don't need to pretend its anything more than that? im sure it helps ease the horror but the people who actually own london are under no illusions about what the city is really there for. in fact the financiers and speculators and bought politicians are eagerly pushing out more and more people outside their circle so they can build more empty office blocks and apartments so all the dirty money has somewhere safe to hide. because that is all it is there for. the response to the grenfell fire is a perfect example, the first move was to ignore the incident then when that failed try to kick the residents out of london entirely. bizarre to be getting so defensive of it when it hates you and only wants your labour and rent. All of this is a problem of capitalism, not of London though, and conflating the two completely dehumanises the 8.99 million people in London who *aren't* in that class.
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gh0stpinballa posted:well no its not is it, unless you believe the vampires in the city are somehow necessary for london and londoners to function. the logical conclusion is to stake the vampires and introduce laws making it impossible for this kind of graft, money laundering and exploitation to happen, and thru property requisition, affordable housing, well paying jobs etc bring back a city of community and mutual trust where people feel like they have a purpose and a sense of belonging. What I mean is that literally everywhere and nearly everything you do hates you and only wants your money.
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gh0stpinballa posted:well no its not is it, unless you believe the vampires in the city are somehow necessary for london and londoners to function. the logical conclusion is to stake the vampires and introduce laws making it impossible for this kind of graft, money laundering and exploitation to happen, and thru property requisition, affordable housing, well paying jobs etc bring back a city of community and mutual trust where people feel like they have a purpose and a sense of belonging. So you're agreeing with me here that "London" is not the problem, the dead hand of Capital is the problem, which is the literal exact opposite of what you started off saying. Hell if you want a geographic descriptor for the particular brand of vampire feeding off the poor of the world (*including* of London) then the City has been exactly that - both site of, and shorthand for, that sort of exploitation - since before Marx got his library card. Admittedly these days a lot - possibly even the majority - of the bad poo poo happens outside the old walls rather than inside, and this is exactly why I will continue my admittedly Quixotic other fight against describing the Isle of Dogs - or any area outside of the CWG estate - as Canary Wharf. I posted this documentary about the people of the Isle of Dogs a couple of weeks ago; these are real people, dismissing them and their entire lives, good, bad and indifferent, simply because they share a postcode with HSBC is some lazy bullshit.
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gently caress off, ronya, the British North is not the American South and drawing pithy vague parallels between them does not make it so
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 ronya posted:considering the US south as naturally leftier, as it was for many decades once You can compare also labor unionization and cross community labor activism in West Virginia, the least solid part of the Solid South, and see more in common with Chicago and Philadelphia than Mississippi and Georgia. There was definitely some agitation and organization in the Deep South, but I don't think it was ever enough to make the states themselves 'naturally leftier'.
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For a sample of the rallying cry of the left-wing Populist tendency in the turn-of-the-century Democratic party, here's a passage from WJ Bryan's speech to the DNC in 1896 which propelled him to the nomination - aside from the monetary aspect itself*, much of its rhetoric remains recognizable today in left-wing writing:quote:Here is the line of battle. We care not upon which issue they force the fight. We are prepared to meet them on either issue or on both. If they tell us that the gold standard is the standard of civilization, we reply to them that this, the most enlightened of all nations of the earth, has never declared for a gold standard, and both the parties this year are declaring against it. If the gold standard is the standard of civilization, why, my friends, should we not have it? So if they come to meet us on that, we can present the history of our nation. More than that, we can tell them this, that they will search the pages of history in vain to find a single instance in which the common people of any land ever declared themselves in favor of a gold standard. They can find where the holders of fixed investments have. * farmers tend to have a favourable view of inflation; industrial workers tend not to be so appreciative of a promise of a rise in prices Of course silence as a tactic on the 'Negro question' only lasted as long as the US north was de facto unwilling to fund or support efforts to resist disenfranchisement in the South. ronya fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Aug 30, 2020 |
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Aug 30, 2020 18:08
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gh0stpinballa posted:the continent that gave us gladio, uh, gladio was set up, funded and armed by MI6 and the CIA, members of the swiss stay behind network were trained by the SAS in Northern Ireland. I don't think you can say europe gave us gladio.
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I mean if we're being defeatist then "lol at thinking we'll be here in a decade". It does nothing. The question is does left wing politics speak to the problems of the socioeconomic phenomenon that's killing us all? Yes, so as long as that continues to be something that concerns anyone in the UK, it's a useful political force whether that's achieved at the ballot box or on the street.
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World cup 'best PM we never had' group stage winners and runners up: Group 1 David Miliband (5,921) Hugh Gaitskell (4,114) Group 2 Tony Benn (5,781) Robin Cook (4,578) Group 3 Ken Clarke (8,976) Roy Jenkins (4,308) Group 4 Jeremy Corbyn (11,727) Charles Kennedy (10,344) Group 5 Alan Johnson (6,368) Barbara Castle (5,754) Group 6 Ed Miliband (6,977) Neil Kinnock (5,393) Group 7 Denis Healey (6,105) Michael Portillo (4,862) Group 8 John Smith (7,363) Paddy Ashdown (4,305) That means Hugh Gaitskell gets dropped and replaced with Mo Mowlam. Fitting that Mo gets to go in the most cursed group. ronya posted:For a sample of the rallying cry of the left-wing Populist tendency in the turn-of-the-century Democratic party, here's a passage from WJ Bryan's speech to the DNC in 1896 which propelled him to the nomination - aside from the monetary aspect itself*, much of its rhetoric remains recognizable today in left-wing writing:
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shamelessly stealing some content - a Quora post that's too good not to share, a response to the question "Is Britain the most advanced country in Europe?" which uses Britain's port facilities as an example https://www.quora.com/Is-Britain-the-most-advanced-country-in-Europe/answer/Garcia-Calavera?ch=10&share=3cce3836&srid=OOpa quote:In general in the container shipping world, every ship and port in the world uses the international standardized “baplie” .edi file for receiving and reviewing the ship’s loading plan...powerful software assist[s] the ship’s chief officer in determining the safe condition, segregation of dangerous goods on board and ship’s stability on departure, and also assist the terminal planners in determining the optimal loading sequence in order to make the most of the available cranes, labor and time in relation to the yard location of the containers on the load list that need to be loaded on the ship. The ship’s agent send in advance the load list in a compatible format that is easily imported in the planning software. quote:Which brings us to the load list that we receive from the local cargo office of the shipping line. For some unknown reason their staff is unable to send the load list in an excel format, or even a searchable pdf format from which we can quickly copy serials, or quick search the file to find dangerous goods information for a specific box. They always send us scanned pages which show up as images, 
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Guavanaut posted:You got similar rhetoric on 'productive labor vs idle capital' from Republicans running in PA and the Midwest at the time, it was just part of how speeches were then more than legislative directions, whereas the Southern Democrats were a lot more enthusiastically pro-segregation. Bimetallism was the national question in the wake of a deep recession in 1893, not segregation. Republican messaging ran on characterizing Bryan as a deranged fanatic linked to left-wing anarchist bombers who would bring the economy into further ruin. The reality is that Republicans circa 1896 weren't enthusiastic about attacking segregation in the South either - McKinley was an enthusiast of postwar normalization and initiated e.g. burying former Confederate soldiers in the national cemetery in Arlington with full honours. For many decades the topic was politically toxic in the US north, being associated with military occupations in distant places at huge cost of blood and treasure (if you want to understand how on earth a country could embrace a Lost Cause legend celebrating actual traitors and rebels to its own national concept, consider that the north itself reacted to its Civil War experience in a way that... say, you as a British voter in 2020 might react to the Iraq war today. Even if you're a late 19th century neoabolitionist, southern blacks are still crushed under a southern boot anyway, and a lot of people died just to achieve that much. And that's as the northern perspective, not even the defeated south. It would take the Progressive era for northern politics to again embrace the rhetoric of ambitious schemes to improve the human condition, and then yet more years for this to shift to anti-segregationist goals) ronya fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Aug 30, 2020 |
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CGI Stardust posted:shamelessly stealing some content - a Quora post that's too good not to share, a response to the question "Is Britain the most advanced country in Europe?" which uses Britain's port facilities as an example Ahahaha how the gently caress do we actually get anything through the ports?
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Ms Adequate posted:Ahahaha how the gently caress do we actually get anything through the ports? I just spent a good ten minutes looking at maps and stuff trying to figure out which port they were talking about, when all I needed to do was see their location and see they're probably talking about Hull which doesn't exactly take a lot of goods in compared to Felixstowe or Southampton or Dover
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Ms Adequate posted:I always forget Gaitskill wasn't PM One of the small mercies of 20th century British history
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