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Xiahou Dun posted:You wanna take a second, running start on this rambling run-on sentence-filled thing? It's really hard to parse. 8chan does not and basically cannot make money. Now, attention and notoriety is of course a reward of its own for some people, but the fact that it's not a cost-positive exercise in and of itself is worth noting. This comes from its creator, Frederck Brennan. In a long and detailed discussion On Robert Evans' podcast. Called Behind the Bastards. Which is excellent. And has a lot of great episodes people should listen to.
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Aug 31, 2020 06:33
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RagnarokAngel posted:Wait so this is all Russiagate poo poo? It would answer a few questions if it turns out Watkins has a wealthy patron of some kind. Given his track record, if that were the case, you'd have to figure Watkins himself doesn't know who it is.
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Aug 31, 2020 06:56
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Bucky Fullminster posted:8chan does not and basically cannot make money. Now, attention and notoriety is of course a reward of its own for some people, but the fact that it's not a cost-positive exercise in and of itself is worth noting. I’m a big fan of Robert Evans and a slavish devotee to Behind the Bastards. (You might want check out The Worst Ever and other podcasts he works with.) I still don’t understand the thesis of that post. Am I being dense?
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Aug 31, 2020 07:47
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Xiahou Dun posted:I’m a big fan of Robert Evans and a slavish devotee to Behind the Bastards. (You might want check out The Worst Ever and other podcasts he works with.) No, bucky’s been having a complete meltdown for like a week straight now.
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Aug 31, 2020 07:49
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Xiahou Dun posted:I’m a big fan of Robert Evans and a slavish devotee to Behind the Bastards. (You might want check out The Worst Ever and other podcasts he works with.) I get the thesis being "if there's no profit motive and the satisfaction from trolling only goes so far then there must be a more organised reason to keep such a site going", but the rest is tenuous speculation. Personally, I kinda agree and wouldn't be surprised if it is actually funded by a hostile government but without any actual proof it really is just string on a board and theorising.
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Aug 31, 2020 08:07
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Xiahou Dun posted:I still don’t understand the thesis of that post. Am I being dense? I can kinda get what they're going for there, although it isn't much more than reaffirming one of Carnival of Shrews' points; whatever Watkins is getting out of hosting 8chan, he can't possibly be making any money at all on the deal, unless it's through some backroom deal Brennan doesn't know about.
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Aug 31, 2020 08:08
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Xiahou Dun posted:I’m a big fan of Robert Evans and a slavish devotee to Behind the Bastards. (You might want check out The Worst Ever and other podcasts he works with.) I believe this underestimates how much money people are willing to lose for stupid reasons.
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Aug 31, 2020 08:13
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I'd be more inclined to point fingers at some terminally online conservative figure than any state actor. My first thought was Steve Bannon.
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Aug 31, 2020 08:20
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Xiahou Dun posted:I’m a big fan of Robert Evans and a slavish devotee to Behind the Bastards. (You might want check out The Worst Ever and other podcasts he works with.) It's not making a thesis, and there is no speculation. It is simply pointing out a fact, that 8Chan does not appear to be profitable. Make of that what you will.
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Aug 31, 2020 08:39
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Bucky Fullminster posted:It's not making a thesis, and there is no speculation. It is simply pointing out a fact, that 8Chan does not appear to be profitable. Make of that what you will. Come off of it. If you've got a point then make it. Most websites arent profitable so you clearly have a point to be made.
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Aug 31, 2020 10:39
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You have a point without a thesis? Have I had enough coffee yet?
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Aug 31, 2020 11:33
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yeah noticing something and sharing it with people is a pretty normal part of the scientific process.
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Aug 31, 2020 11:51
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No????????? Or not like that. I don’t even disagree with you, I’m just not following. (Note : I’m a scientist.)
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Aug 31, 2020 11:59
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Bucky Fullminster posted:It's not making a thesis, and there is no speculation. It is simply pointing out a fact, that 8Chan does not appear to be profitable. Make of that what you will. More Watkins  : he also owns the popular Japanese board 5ch.net (the remains of what was originally 2channel), which is financially successful, and has a current global Alexa ranking of #1014. For reference, the current global Alexa ranking of the mighty SA is #13,914, and 8kun.top has a global Alexa rank of #33,729.Internet grifting has been profitable for Watkins. If anyone is interested in how he got his hands on 2channel (originally founded by Hiroyuki Nishimura, the current owner of 4chan - the world of weird imageboards is a small one), then Wikipedia is as good a place to learn about it as any (basically, splitting Brennan off from 8chan was just lather, rinse, repeat - but 8chan/8kun turned out to be far less profitable). Whether or not Watkins is actually the person writing as Q at the moment (I personally think it's quite likely), he now has a complete lock on how new Q posts are dropped and distributed to the QAnon faithful.Keeping 8kun.top up will be financially painful, but I'd hesitate to conclude that Watkins definitely can't afford it without outside help (  time: if I were a neo-fash internet puppeteer looking to stealthily bankroll 8kun.top, I'd do it at the level of VanwaTech, its hosting company, owned by noted shithead Nick Lim who also keeps the Daily Stormer up; I have occasionally wondered how profitable hosting the Stormer can be). Watkins definitely does have political ambitions -- not personally, but he owns a peculiar 'News outlet' called The Goldwater, where he likes to rant, and he's founded a super PAC called Disarm the Deep State:Disarm the Deep State posted:As we gain a foothold in the Congress, we would like the candidates who have joined the Great Awakening to form their own caucus. This would allow for better collaboration and an increase of political pressure to create policies that diminish the hold of the Deep State. We will show a united front to the career politicians within the two houses, and prove, through tireless efforts, that where we go one, we truly go all. It's possible to browse Disarm the Deep State on the Wayback Machine and overall it's quite cleverly written: there are a bunch of QAnon dogwhistles but it doesn't jump right in with Satanist Cannibal Paedophiles; instead, it uses the more palatable soft redpill that Washington is full of bureaucrats and (gasp!) people can be elected politicians for decades, providing people keep voting for them (and some of them are...Democrats!) Here's the manifesto.  Here's the shortlist of candidates to get into Congress.  But assuming our neo-fash puppeteer mastermind -- Bannon, Stone, whoever you will -- always had a dozen or so low-rent misinformation projects incubating, IMO he would still never pick Watkins for such a job. When it comes to grifting nerds out of their problematic online assets, Watkins is skilled; in everything else, he's not stupid but he's an odd duck, liable to veer off onto weird side projects like The Goldwater. In the aftermath of the Christ Church massacre, a NZ journalist and her film crew went to his residential compound in the Philippines and managed to get as far as Watkins' front door, where they were met by his wife. Watkins wasn't even able to convincingly pretend he wasn't in his own house (1hr documentary here, the house visit is at 50:30). Some of the police in the Philippines were veerrry interested in Watkins because of 8chan's child porn problem, and openly said so to the visiting journalists...but nothing ever came of it. Again, I don't need to invoke the personal protection of Duterte, fun though it would be -- there'll be enough neo-fash high-ranking Filipino policemen to protect the expat American oddball whose website is deeply dodgy, but Basically Good For Trump.
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Aug 31, 2020 13:20
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Bucky Fullminster posted:What do you make of Sputnik News broadcasting a 4 hour video of the London covid/Q protests? I find it to be unremarkable. If you consider it significant then you should explain why. quote:Edit - and further to this, what do you make of Russian interference in the 2016 election? The hacking of the DNC, the IRA astroturfing events and using the troll farms and bot networks, etc? The prior activities of Manafort, Page, Papadopalopalous, Flynn, Trump himself, etc? I think you should actually unpack the specific details of those events if you think they are relevant instead of wildly insinuating that they somehow support whatever claims you are making or hinting at.
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Aug 31, 2020 14:55
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The Epstein thread is possibly the worst thing on these forums right now but this belongs here:Perry Mason Jar posted:Reddit dot com seems to have uncovered the secret identity of "Q":
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Aug 31, 2020 16:34
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We're already well past that, we're now on "Watkins actually works for MJ12"
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Aug 31, 2020 16:45
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OwlFancier posted:We're already well past that, we're now on "Watkins actually works for MJ12" Ah apologies. Since this went from interesting tweets to walls of text and self-published articles I've done a lot of quick scrolling. E: just to clarify, I know Bucky brought up Watkins but thought the info tying things together by IP was new.
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Aug 31, 2020 16:47
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Nessus posted:I believe this underestimates how much money people are willing to lose for stupid reasons. Case in point, people are still paying Lowtax almost $650 a month to whine about how he’s never been found guilty in a court of law. 
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Aug 31, 2020 16:50
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Blue Moonlight posted:Case in point, people are still paying Lowtax almost $650 a month to whine about how he’s never been found guilty in a court of law. It took me the longest time to actually click the "lowtax beats women" topic because I assumed it was a joke. Like haha yeah beats women at videogames or something? Classic SA humor, there's no way the admin of progressive forums like this would do that, right? Then I clicked it because it was never unpinned and it wasn't a joke at all. I assume the people even slower than me are the ones still paying him.
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Aug 31, 2020 18:15
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Thoughtless posted:It took me the longest time to actually click the "lowtax beats women" topic because I assumed it was a joke. Like haha yeah beats women at videogames or something? Classic SA humor, there's no way the admin of progressive forums like this would do that, right? Looks like one person unsubscribed today but if these comments are representative then it's true believers or dead people whose relatives haven't shut down their auto-payments: quote:
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Aug 31, 2020 18:23
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jojoinnit posted:Looks like one person unsubscribed today but if these comments are representative then it's true believers or dead people whose relatives haven't shut down their auto-payments: Well that's depressing.
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Aug 31, 2020 18:31
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Thoughtless posted:Well that's depressing. It's that scene from the end of a superhero movie where like the Joker or some insane villain is being wheeled into the insane asylum on a Hannibal Lecter cart but is grinning and happy because as they are wheeled past all the other psychos they realize they are truly home among their own kind, except it's lowtax taking his rightful place at kiwifarms or something sensitive.
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Aug 31, 2020 18:43
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i'm not entirely sure why extremely long, wordy posts make you look  loving mental but it doeschill. and distill your thoughts. going full blablabla just makes you seem rambling and unstable
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Aug 31, 2020 18:59
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Mackers posted:makes you seem rambling and unstable Yeah there might be a reason for that
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Aug 31, 2020 19:43
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I do appreciate talk about how to deprogram Qultists. It’s fun to laugh at them but I know a few people who seem like they might be getting into it so I’m happy when there’s good info to send to people like that.
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Aug 31, 2020 19:50
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Snowy posted:I do appreciate talk about how to deprogram Qultists. It’s fun to laugh at them but I know a few people who seem like they might be getting into it so I’m happy when there’s good info to send to people like that. I mean I wouldn't really trust this one guy who just keeps citing the one person he managed to reach. Cult deprogramming is a full time profession for many people, which is evidence it requires serious work. If you really wanna get people stuck in the weeds its not something you can just do by trolling facebook pages to thrust pamphlets at people going "don't you see???"
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Aug 31, 2020 22:04
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For what it's worth, the way I deconverted one whole Nazi once, was by basically talking to him and listening with extreme patience. Pretending that his beliefs were reasonable enough to argue, while going like "okay, but..." and very gently refuting everything with entirely more evidence than should be needed. It's terribly time-consuming. Takes forever to get anywhere. Particularly because they have a billion false facts that shouldn't need to be disproven, but you still have to since they're brainwashed. The key part felt like it was actually listening to his arguments, as if he was only holding onto them because nobody ever actually listened. I imagine it'd go fairly similarly with a qultist. Thoughtless fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Aug 31, 2020 |
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Aug 31, 2020 22:16
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Thoughtless posted:For what it's worth, the way I deconverted one whole Nazi once, was by basically talking to him and listening with extreme patience. Pretending that his beliefs were reasonable enough to argue, while going like "okay, but..." and very gently refuting everything with entirely more evidence than should be needed. i've done this with my dad who is not a nazi but just like a generic listened to too much AM radio old guy before and the problem is that he forgets all the things that I said and I have to do it a bunch of times but he weirdly randomly sent me a video with an ACLU guy talking about how racist and based on white supremacy the entire culture of the south is and he said he agreed with everything in it so I really do not know how he decides what to click on I think it's just random neurons firing anyway he was briefly into Q but this year he told me (he is a lawyer) "well, if they are going to put all these people in secret tribunals like they are saying, I just don't see how they have enough time to do all that before the election like they claim" and I was just sitting there like....THAT's the part you found unbelievable??? but whatever I guess
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Aug 31, 2020 22:38
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Stefan Prodan posted:i've done this with my dad who is not a nazi but just like a generic listened to too much AM radio old guy before and the problem is that he forgets all the things that I said and I have to do it a bunch of times Yeah my dad's the same way, like I can actually sit him down and have a conversation about systemic racism, confirmation bias, and prejudice, and I can get him to a point where he seems to understand how he's been manipulated... And then he sees one video on Facebook posted by Pissed Off And Politically Incorrect of a black guy fight a white guy, and bam, he's back to believing in The Knockout Game again Convincing someone 60+ to not believe everything they hear on Hannity and Rush is an exhausting endeavor, I can't imagine what it's like convincing someone that age that True Qanon Patriots for Trump Facebook group is not a reliable source of information
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Aug 31, 2020 22:55
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Stefan Prodan posted:a video with an ACLU guy talking about how racist and based on white supremacy the entire culture of the south is got a link to that?
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Aug 31, 2020 22:56
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Snowy posted:got a link to that? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOPGpE-sXh0 you can imagine my trepidation about being sent this by my 75 year old dad based on the displayed youtube title but it's good actually
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Aug 31, 2020 23:02
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Thoughtless posted:For what it's worth, the way I deconverted one whole Nazi once, was by basically talking to him and listening with extreme patience. Pretending that his beliefs were reasonable enough to argue, while going like "okay, but..." and very gently refuting everything with entirely more evidence than should be needed. Yeah, Socratic method is really the best approach. If you let them reveal to themselves the internal contradictions in their beliefs, in a simple questioning and answering conversation, then they're more likely to take them seriously. People always want to think that they've arrived at some change on their own.
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Aug 31, 2020 23:44
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Carnival of Shrews posted:More Watkins This is excellent too, thank you.
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There was a bizarre anti-pedophilia march in my city over the weekend. One of the protestors held a sign that said "Stop Adrenochrome Harvesting!" Is this some kind of new flank to the QAnon poo poo? Can someone fill me in?
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sitchensis posted:There was a bizarre anti-pedophilia march in my city over the weekend. One of the protestors held a sign that said "Stop Adrenochrome Harvesting!" Is this some kind of new flank to the QAnon poo poo? Can someone fill me in? It's one of the oldest parts of it, actually, they think Hillary Clinton is keeping a horde of mole-people locked up in the basement of a pizzeria (that has no basement) so that she can get high off eating their brains No, that's not a joke, before you ask
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Sep 1, 2020 03:00
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That's comparatively old idea where they think that the elite nonce ring is torturing children to eat their delicious fear glands. Can't remember if it dates back to shortly after the original pizzagate. Which does in fairness sound like something peter thiel would come up with but yeah, probably isn't happening in the non existent basement of a pizzaria. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 03:04 on Sep 1, 2020 |
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WeedlordGoku69 posted:It's one of the oldest parts of it, actually, they think Hillary Clinton is keeping a horde of mole-people locked up in the basement of a pizzeria (that has no basement) so that she can get high off eating their brains There’s also a video of who is unmistakably Hillary Clinton and Huma Abdein tearing off kids’ faces to wear as part of the satanic adrenochrome ritual. This video is so clear cut and damning that it would put Clinton in jail forever. Q is also apparently keeping it secret instead of releasing it for reasons.
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Wasn't there a small clip that was highly circulated in pizzagate circles pre-Q, supposedly from that Huma/Hillary video (which they're calling frazzledrip, for some reason)? I think it was traced to some trailer on a website for a Mardi Gras party from years earlier. Not like they gave a poo poo. This whole thing is a bad creepypasta.
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