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poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004



I just suddenly realized I have 50k shekels more than I thought I did. Was there by chance a big cash reward on recovering Morningstar? That was the only remotely advanced thing I was working on last night, exploring the northeast post-denver.

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Amppelix
Aug 6, 2010

Do you have the antiques finder perk?

Mr Shiny Pants
Nov 12, 2012

babypolis posted:

hold control to be able to target allied units

I am playing with a controller, but these are the pigs that the Payaso(?) use. Is it possible to get them to explode without them needing to light a fuse or be in combat? They are pretty annoying.

ASenileAnimal
Dec 21, 2017

lol this game rules i got attacked by a bunch insane clowns and ordered my tank to run them over but then got absolutely owned by clowns with a machine gun truck

terrorist ambulance
Nov 5, 2009
Mortar blast not consuming ammo is pretty good

Zeta Acosta
Dec 16, 2019

#essereFerrari
a well placed plasma grenade and i loving trashed the cannibal party . i felt like a badass

Bardeh
Dec 2, 2004

Fun Shoe
So I came across the Scorpitron as I was driving around and I get into a fight with it, and started clearing out the little robots. Ran over a couple of them with Morningstar and then noticed that I could drive it into Scorpitron. As soon as I touched it, it died. Complete anti-climax lol

The loading times are really starting to get to me - I just came back to Colorado Springs after a long time out questing, and going through loading screen after loading screen is just awful with how long they take. I'm also getting pretty bad stutters every time I press Shift to see interactibles, which is extremely annoying.

Bardeh fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Sep 2, 2020

Defiance Industries
Jul 22, 2010

A five-star manufacturer


Scorpitron shouldn't have been a communist I guess.

Black Griffon
Mar 12, 2005

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time.

I know who you are. You are destiny.


Quick question: locked up the fake Scotishman, headed to the casino to investigate further. Headed back to the sheriff before freeing Delgado. Had two conversation options, one regarding McTavish and one regarding Delgado, picked the Delgado one, was told to bust up the casino. Busted up casino, freed Delgado, headed back to the sheriff. When I talked to her she mentioned the action at the casino, but nothing about McTavish, and then the conversation was over. Now I've no option to talk about McTavish and the whole thing seems to be over. Did I miss out on anything by not talking about McTavish with her when I had the chance? It feels like I've skipped something I oughtn't skip.

marshmallow creep
Dec 10, 2008

I've been sitting here for 5 mins trying to think of a joke to make but I just realised the animators of Mass Effect already did it for me

ASenileAnimal posted:

lol this game rules i got attacked by a bunch insane clowns and ordered my tank to run them over but then got absolutely owned by clowns with a machine gun truck

I got ambushed by clowns but I told them a joke and turned it around on them!

marshmallow creep
Dec 10, 2008

I've been sitting here for 5 mins trying to think of a joke to make but I just realised the animators of Mass Effect already did it for me

Black Griffon posted:

Quick question: locked up the fake Scotishman, headed to the casino to investigate further. Headed back to the sheriff before freeing Delgado. Had two conversation options, one regarding McTavish and one regarding Delgado, picked the Delgado one, was told to bust up the casino. Busted up casino, freed Delgado, headed back to the sheriff. When I talked to her she mentioned the action at the casino, but nothing about McTavish, and then the conversation was over. Now I've no option to talk about McTavish and the whole thing seems to be over. Did I miss out on anything by not talking about McTavish with her when I had the chance? It feels like I've skipped something I oughtn't skip.

I never spoke with her after arresting McTavish and I feel things went fine?

CaptainViolence
Apr 19, 2006

I'M GONNA GET YOU DUCK

Black Griffon posted:

Quick question: locked up the fake Scotishman, headed to the casino to investigate further. Headed back to the sheriff before freeing Delgado. Had two conversation options, one regarding McTavish and one regarding Delgado, picked the Delgado one, was told to bust up the casino. Busted up casino, freed Delgado, headed back to the sheriff. When I talked to her she mentioned the action at the casino, but nothing about McTavish, and then the conversation was over. Now I've no option to talk about McTavish and the whole thing seems to be over. Did I miss out on anything by not talking about McTavish with her when I had the chance? It feels like I've skipped something I oughtn't skip.

iirc, she just yells at you to go find delgado (if we're thinking of the same spot--i'd arrested mctavish but hadn't freed delgado yet when she said that)


Mr Shiny Pants posted:

You can't target the exploding pigs?

Mr Shiny Pants posted:

I am playing with a controller, but these are the pigs that the Payaso(?) use. Is it possible to get them to explode without them needing to light a fuse or be in combat? They are pretty annoying.

they're considered "Friendlies" like follower animals so you have to tap down on the d-pad to select that group and then just go ham on the control stick till it finally decides you've chosen the direction of the pig. being closer and not having other friendlies in between helps since you have a wider angle that counts as correct, but it's still kinda finicky. i never got the chance to make them explode except by launching a rocket at them, but i also didn't think to try!

CaptainViolence fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Sep 3, 2020

Black Griffon
Mar 12, 2005

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time.

I know who you are. You are destiny.


CaptainViolence posted:

iirc, she just yells at you to go find delgado (if we're thinking of the same spot--i'd arrested mctavish but hadn't freed delgado yet when she said that)

Ah, perfect, then I don't have to replay like an hour (because I would've).

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

I feel like the one-quirk-per-character system is oppressing me. Why can't I have a drunk bdsm clown gunning down my enemies?

The Lone Badger fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Sep 3, 2020

marshmallow creep
Dec 10, 2008

I've been sitting here for 5 mins trying to think of a joke to make but I just realised the animators of Mass Effect already did it for me

Yeeeees. Let me stack that poo poo into an unplayable mess!

Onehandclapping
Oct 21, 2010
Well I beat it and enjoyed the hell out of it, so I want to give my opinion on the last few story bits.

Angela Deth is a goddamn moron. She's out to save the people of Colorado, so her plan is to blow up the head of the only faction that's not straight up murderous to everyone, while handing off the reins of all the most murderous psychopaths to the biggest and baddest murderous psychopath because he's going to go full on murderous psychopath in the other direction. Somehow it never crosses her mind that there are people in Kansas whom corbite is going to go full hitler on, and she'd hold responsibility for dreaming up the plan.

Putting that aside, the patriarch is a tyrant who plans to hold the throne forever, but he's responsible for creating what's probably the largest major refuge from the apocalyptic hellscape of the USA, where all the major players are pretty much fanatics, slavers, murderers, or cannibals, more often then not, some S&M mix of all four. It's actually good enough to have a major refugee problem, being where all the people run to get the hell away from the gangs. He's got some serious statesman chops, where even his secret underhanded dealings with the major gangs read to me like he bought them off while buying time to over power them, especially given that the deals had been stopped by the time you uncover them, after he'd performed two coup d'etats on two of the most dangerous.

The biggest problem with his regime is that he's dying and his kids are all dumb assholes who will lead everything to ruins seconds after seizing power, so there's at max a decade before he croaks and there's a violent civil war for the throne. Best case scenario is probably some variation of the hundred families taking charge, given that the marshals are essentially corrupt militant goons.

Dealing with the kids was fun, Valor is such a non-entity I basically forgot he existed, I shot Victory in the face with 0 hesitation, and locked up Liberty without a fight with a max speech check. I really regret maxing the -rear end skills, since instead of cool set piece fights with the major players, they just give up entirely, cut to credits.

babypolis
Nov 4, 2009

I dont think people have mentioned enough how good the soundtrack is at times

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcOPh5ltbAw

theres some really dope rear end tracks

8-bit Miniboss
May 24, 2005

CORPO COPS CAME FOR MY :filez:

babypolis posted:

I dont think people have mentioned enough how good the soundtrack is at times

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcOPh5ltbAw

theres some really dope rear end tracks

The Gipper vs Godfisher encounter backed with a slow, country-ish rendition of America the Beautiful had me cracking up for several minutes. Moment of the game for me so far.

CaptainViolence
Apr 19, 2006

I'M GONNA GET YOU DUCK

the soundtrack is extremely good, all the cover songs have been especially delightful. i was thinking of picking up the soundtrack, but someone upthread said it didn't have everything--does anyone know if the wang chung cover is on there? this is my deciding factor but i don't see a list of songs included in the steam dlc pack

marshmallow creep
Dec 10, 2008

I've been sitting here for 5 mins trying to think of a joke to make but I just realised the animators of Mass Effect already did it for me

I just noticed something: I tried to level up my Hard rear end skill and it said I didn't have the points because it would cost 4. Then I removed the Ranger Veteran Star with its +1 hard rear end...and now it said it cost 3 and I could level it up.

This would seem to indicate that the game treats any +1s on gear as your actual skill for purposes of buying more points, so make sure to remove any +1 skill gear before you go spending skill points.

babypolis
Nov 4, 2009

I looked up who the music supervisor is and it turns out they hired Mary Ramos, the person who does the music for Tarantino. A pretty inspired hiring choice for sure

Heres a neat interview with her and Fargo about the music

https://screenrant.com/wasteland-3-brian-fargo-mary-ramos-interview/

blizzardvizard
Sep 12, 2012

Shhh... don't wake up the sleeping lion :3:

babypolis posted:

I looked up who the music supervisor is and it turns out they hired Mary Ramos, the person who does the music for Tarantino. A pretty inspired hiring choice for sure

Heres a neat interview with her and Fargo about the music

https://screenrant.com/wasteland-3-brian-fargo-mary-ramos-interview/

This makes a lot of sense.

cheesetriangles
Jan 5, 2011





CaptainViolence posted:

the soundtrack is extremely good, all the cover songs have been especially delightful. i was thinking of picking up the soundtrack, but someone upthread said it didn't have everything--does anyone know if the wang chung cover is on there? this is my deciding factor but i don't see a list of songs included in the steam dlc pack

None of the covers are on there other than the old public domain songs like Battle Hymn of the Republic. Here is the track listing:



I really wish the cover of The Monster Mash was on there.

Someone uploaded Wang Chung to Youtube along with some of the others.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7KWG2AsmE4

cheesetriangles fucked around with this message at 03:39 on Sep 3, 2020

Evil Canadian
Sep 10, 2000

No one man should have all that Psycho-Power.

Onehandclapping posted:

Well I beat it and enjoyed the hell out of it, so I want to give my opinion on the last few story bits.

Angela Deth is a goddamn moron.

100% I can't understand the logic other than someone who only views the world in black & white terms, with SERIOUS blinders on not looking at the big picture.


Ok so you are willing to gently caress over Arizona to "save" Colorado, when the patriarch is the only thing keeping the murderous slaver cannibals out of Colorado to begin with? She even says Cordite was to go off to his "blood soaked destiny" in Kansas too, so you are willingly loving over two states to depose the only competent ruler this post Apocalyspe has ever seen? Which would absolutely create a power vacuum where everything falls to poo poo and be way worse than what you perceive to be the bad stuff.


This game does the "shades of gray" way better than 90% of games that attempt it, but on this note its Morally ambiguous versus destructive incompetence.

victrix
Oct 30, 2007


Evil Canadian posted:

100% I can't understand the logic other than someone who only views the world in black & white terms, with SERIOUS blinders on not looking at the big picture.


Ok so you are willing to gently caress over Arizona to "save" Colorado, when the patriarch is the only thing keeping the murderous slaver cannibals out of Colorado to begin with? She even says Cordite was to go off to his "blood soaked destiny" in Kansas too, so you are willingly loving over two states to depose the only competent ruler this post Apocalyspe has ever seen? Which would absolutely create a power vacuum where everything falls to poo poo and be way worse than what you perceive to be the bad stuff.


This game does the "shades of gray" way better than 90% of games that attempt it, but on this note its Morally ambiguous versus destructive incompetence.

Feels like

Angela was put in there for people who are used to an rpg having the 'good' path that can fix everything.

You can't fix everything, poo poo's hosed son. Pick the best out of the bad options and roll with it, all you can do.

Zeta Acosta
Dec 16, 2019

#essereFerrari
i finished the aspen mission and yeah patriarch you are going loving down rear end in a top hat

Defiance Industries
Jul 22, 2010

A five-star manufacturer


victrix posted:

Feels like

Angela was put in there for people who are used to an rpg having the 'good' path that can fix everything.

You can't fix everything, poo poo's hosed son. Pick the best out of the bad options and roll with it, all you can do.


There's only one "and everything went great for everyone" path that I've ever liked and it was in Alpha Protocol. And you can only do them in a second playthrough where you pick the background that lets you just say "nah I get both done at once, I'm rad like that."

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

victrix posted:

Feels like

Angela was put in there for people who are used to an rpg having the 'good' path that can fix everything.

You can't fix everything, poo poo's hosed son. Pick the best out of the bad options and roll with it, all you can do.


Yeah, the closest thing to a "good" outcome is stabilizing the Patriarch's existing regime and insinuating yourself into the power structure of the state so that when he kicks it the Rangers can ensure a succession to someone who isn't an insane murderer or a transition to democracy.

The Patriarch has a line early on when you ask him about Liberty where he says "she's interested in ruling, not in governing", which sums up every other current alternative to the Patriarch. "The Patriarch does lovely things to maintain power and his enforcers are corrupt assholes" is kind of a weak argument to depose him when he's created a mostly stable, functioning society with things like sustainable food production, trade, energy resources, education, etc. while his rivals are busy fighting over who looks the most fetching wearing their enemy's skin as a coat.

toasterwarrior
Nov 11, 2011
The hell is up with the Payasos, I feel like their Bastards and Fuegos are insanely powerful, accurate, and/or resilient for the tier you encounter them. And this is on Wastelander difficulty too.

CaptainViolence
Apr 19, 2006

I'M GONNA GET YOU DUCK

cheesetriangles posted:

None of the covers are on there other than the old public domain songs like Battle Hymn of the Republic. Here is the track listing:



I really wish the cover of The Monster Mash was on there.

Someone uploaded Wang Chung to Youtube along with some of the others.


this led me down a path of learning how to rip audio from games, and in doing so i just found out that three of the followers sing along with the busker in co springs.

i spoilered it because i think it'd be funny to find on its own, but if anyone has already heard it i'm dying to know how to trigger it (just bring them along while walking through town?)

Black Griffon
Mar 12, 2005

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time.

I know who you are. You are destiny.


marshmallow creep posted:

I just noticed something: I tried to level up my Hard rear end skill and it said I didn't have the points because it would cost 4. Then I removed the Ranger Veteran Star with its +1 hard rear end...and now it said it cost 3 and I could level it up.

This would seem to indicate that the game treats any +1s on gear as your actual skill for purposes of buying more points, so make sure to remove any +1 skill gear before you go spending skill points.

poo poo, I think I must've lost a few points to that then. If there's a quick way to yeet a few skillpoints at my characters I'd like to know it. Is there even a console or anything like that?

Zeta Acosta
Dec 16, 2019

#essereFerrari
dont do the angela mission straight after aspen holy gently caress i got trashed

doingitwrong
Jul 27, 2013

Black Griffon posted:

poo poo, I think I must've lost a few points to that then. If there's a quick way to yeet a few skillpoints at my characters I'd like to know it. Is there even a console or anything like that?

I read that people tested it and it shows needing more but only takes the amount you should need. So it’s cosmetic except in the case where you have exact change. Then it won’t let you skill up. I have not tested this myself but you might be OK.

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

marshmallow creep posted:

I just noticed something: I tried to level up my Hard rear end skill and it said I didn't have the points because it would cost 4. Then I removed the Ranger Veteran Star with its +1 hard rear end...and now it said it cost 3 and I could level it up.

This would seem to indicate that the game treats any +1s on gear as your actual skill for purposes of buying more points, so make sure to remove any +1 skill gear before you go spending skill points.
This also applies in chargen. If you take the Moneybags background it'll give you Barter 1, worth 1 skill point. But if you leave your background at Bookworm, buy up Barter 5 in the skills section, then go back to ID and change your background to Moneybags it'll bump your Barter up to 6, worth several points.

Black Griffon
Mar 12, 2005

Now, in the quantum moment before the closure, when all become one. One moment left. One point of space and time.

I know who you are. You are destiny.


Are there any proper time constraints in the game? Could I ignore the homestead/convoy thing for a few hours? Will safes I've failed to unlock disappear if NPCs stick to their promise of cleaning up a place after I've sandblasted it with blood?

doingitwrong posted:

I read that people tested it and it shows needing more but only takes the amount you should need. So it’s cosmetic except in the case where you have exact change. Then it won’t let you skill up. I have not tested this myself but you might be OK.

Ah, good. When stuff starts to cost more than one point I lose track of how many points I have.

CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK
Sep 11, 2001



Black Griffon posted:

Are there any proper time constraints in the game? Could I ignore the homestead/convoy thing for a few hours? Will safes I've failed to unlock disappear if NPCs stick to their promise of cleaning up a place after I've sandblasted it with blood?


Ah, good. When stuff starts to cost more than one point I lose track of how many points I have.

From what I've read, both of them fail if you go to 3 enter/exit your vehicle without resolving them(not sure if that just means going to 3 different locations or if random encounters count for it as well).

Apart from that, I don't think there's a time limit to the game.

Not sure about the safe thing. Pretty sure they will stay there forever until you unlock them.

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

Black Griffon posted:

Are there any proper time constraints in the game? Could I ignore the homestead/convoy thing for a few hours? Will safes I've failed to unlock disappear if NPCs stick to their promise of cleaning up a place after I've sandblasted it with blood?


Ah, good. When stuff starts to cost more than one point I lose track of how many points I have.

There are several points where leaving the map changes things drastically, I left an underground shopping mall and got an alert that everyone inside had been killed because I forgot to get a few enemies.

The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

The character swap bug is bumming me out. Looks like to fix it you have to load a save from before they were removed from your party, not before you tried to readd.

cheesetriangles
Jan 5, 2011





Does the character swap bug only happen to your original 2 party members? I've never seen it on anyone else so what I do is just delete my first 2 party members and make 4 new rangers at the start of a game. I give the original 2 skills good for the dam segment but not how I want them in the rest of the game.

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The Lone Badger
Sep 24, 2007

cheesetriangles posted:

Does the character swap bug only happen to your original 2 party members?

I think you might be right. It's happening to me 100% of the time now but only on the original two.

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