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Just adapt this SMBC comic if you want a story about Superman having a long term positive impact on the world.
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Argue posted:Just adapt this SMBC comic if you want a story about Superman having a long term positive impact on the world. Huh...that was actually a pretty depressing read.
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Sep 4, 2020 10:16
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The story to about 90% of SMBC comics is "fictional characters shouldn't do exciting things" or "a slight change in society gets wildly extrapolated until it results in a dystopia".
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Sep 4, 2020 10:22
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Argue posted:Just adapt this SMBC comic if you want a story about Superman having a long term positive impact on the world. Grant Morrison already did it. 
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Sep 4, 2020 12:44
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Lobok posted:But it stopped being a thing for long enough that Slott was able to make a story about Ock's brain being damaged over the years by Spider-Man's fists. Was that specifically from blows to the head? I thought the relentless mutant haymakers Spider-Man landed on Ock's regular human body caused a vague total body failure. Why'd they okay Spider-Man killing (manslaughtering?) a guy in such a gruesome way.
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Sep 4, 2020 14:24
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I don't know if it counts as Spider-Man killing him when it's the result of Doc Ock relentlessly hurling his mortal shell into superhero fights in an attempt to kill some people/everyone, for decades. Like, he's just old and has been through an immense amount of physical stress, most of it incurred while he was trying to violently end thousands of lives and Spider-Man's life in particular. Seems about as "on" Peter as Lex Luthor getting Kryptonite poisoning was "on" Superman.
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Sep 4, 2020 15:04
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It would at least be a shared responsibility. Spider-Man isn't the only person who's ever punched Dr. Octopus in the head. Too bad when Ock died in the 90s The Hand didn't resurrect him with any of his long-term injuries healed.
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Sep 4, 2020 15:10
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With the kryptonite poisoning though Lex is the only party involved. Superman wasn’t hitting him with kryptonite rays, so when Lex says “Superman did this to me!” It’s easy to go “nah, you did this to yourself” drawing a direct line to Spider-Man’s (and friends’) fists gives them a bit too much participation in his slow gruesome death. Though if this had happened after Ock joined the nazis? Cool.
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Sep 4, 2020 16:08
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SlothfulCobra posted:I don't actually think he can do that. He's not a plumber, and even if he manually distributes water by hand, the problem isn't solved until they actually deal with the pipes. most of these are well he could do them but he wouldnt, which was my point. but this one, first he lived on a farm so i have a hard time believing he doesnt know at least the basics of plumbing, but he has like super learning like the flash because he can study super fast, he has super speed, strength, flight, heat vision for tunneling, and can see every wavelength of the electromagnetic spectrum so he can see the piping and where buried power lines and related stuff is so he can take out and replace the pipes (which was the intent of my original paragraph, the way youre response is phrased makes it seem like maybe that wasnt clear). am i missing something?
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Sep 4, 2020 16:29
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Honestly that's one of the reasons I'm put off by the idea of Superman, because sometimes he's a plausible organism with abilities and physical and mental limits and sometimes he's the ultimate life form and a perfect being that is the expression of the greatest aspirations of humanity. I was kinda just imagining that he'd be one of those frustrated failure DIY operations and just like how he needs a science man to fix up his rocket, he needs somebody who actually knows what they're doing to fix the plumbing. Twist: There's so much lead in the pipes that Superman can't actually see enough of the plumbing to figure it out with his X-ray vision.
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Sep 4, 2020 17:17
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Lobok posted:It would at least be a shared responsibility. Spider-Man isn't the only person who's ever punched Dr. Octopus in the head. I think it's more likely Slott forgot that happened. I seem to recall that one of the events referenced as part of the litany of injuries that put him in that state was that time Joe Fixit knocked him out with a flick of the finger, which I think happened before he died and was resurrected.
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Sep 4, 2020 18:03
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site posted:most of these are well he could do them but he wouldnt, which was my point. but this one, first he lived on a farm so i have a hard time believing he doesnt know at least the basics of plumbing, but he has like super learning like the flash because he can study super fast, he has super speed, strength, flight, heat vision for tunneling, and can see every wavelength of the electromagnetic spectrum so he can see the piping and where buried power lines and related stuff is so he can take out and replace the pipes (which was the intent of my original paragraph, the way youre response is phrased makes it seem like maybe that wasnt clear). am i missing something? Superman is as dumb as anyone. Just because I can read super-fast doesn’t mean that reading will make me a competent engineer. You have to have experience and like doing something in order to be good at it. By utilitarian logic, we should all become engineers or like geneticists solving world hunger, but it’s not feasible because we’d be bad at it and burn ourselves out after a few years. Superman is an average white man who is strong and who can fly, and he’s also genuinely ethical and not racist. How would he even know how to hold spaceships so they don’t break up when flying them into space. I would guess that in dc world, there is super science that solves at least some problems. Getting into space in a spaceship seems really easy compared to our world, for example.
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Sep 4, 2020 18:15
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Isn't flash considered a potential genius because he can learn everything extremely quickly. I thought that was an actual thing for DC charactersSlothfulCobra posted:
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Sep 4, 2020 18:18
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It depends on the incarnation/interpretation of Superman. Silver Age Superman definitely does have super-intellect just as a baseline power, and I believe modern Superman can still read things extremely quickly and is generally considered pretty knowledgeable. How hard he's able to go on that depends on who's writing him. I agree that it's totally reasonable for him to replace faulty water pipes, though. He could hook up with someone who's able to tell him what's what and/or spend some time learning the fundamentals. It's a complicated job, but not one that requires a lifetime of study.
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Sep 4, 2020 18:25
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site posted:Isn't flash considered a potential genius because he can learn everything extremely quickly. I thought that was an actual thing for DC characters I think that's one of those "depending on who's writing" powers that comes and goes whenever it's convenient. I like how the Flash TV show portrayed it, where he can become a temporary genius by speed-reading books but then his knowledge fades pretty rapidly.
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Sep 4, 2020 18:29
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And like, come on, this is a dude who has a long list of more complex feats on his ledger. A lot of the time he's written as just a big, well-meaning farmboy, but he also occasionally sings a note of pure resonant hope to destroy the forces of Anti-Life, so municipal plumbing probably isn't beyond him. It might have to be the climax of a crossover event for him to muster sufficient dramatic heft, though.
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Sep 4, 2020 18:35
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He could even do the, "Enough!" thing where his eyes glow red before going to town on the pipes.
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site posted:Isn't flash considered a potential genius because he can learn everything extremely quickly. I thought that was an actual thing for DC characters I have always hated Flash wank. I used to hear about how he was the strongest being ever because apparently a pebble at FTL speeds could supposedly destroy a planet or something. Ergo, Flash is the strongest being ever. That's almost never how it is in anything. "Speedstars" are fast but not strong or tough. They will run really fast at you but against any serious opponent, they just run into a brick wall because all they have is speed. You need Superman or somebody if you want strength.
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Sep 4, 2020 18:45
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Yvonmukluk posted:I think it's more likely Slott forgot that happened. I seem to recall that one of the events referenced as part of the litany of injuries that put him in that state was that time Joe Fixit knocked him out with a flick of the finger, which I think happened before he died and was resurrected. I don't think he forgot considering Stunner showed up in the Superior storyline. And Slott doesn't seem like the sort to forget a thing like Dr. Octopus dying and being brought back. He just glossed over it because the story only makes sense if Dr. Octopus has the long history of being beaten up by Spider-Man because why him and not any other of his unpowered foes? The reader needs to assume the full history of Spider-Man has happened in the impossibly compressed way that every Marvel character's publication history has happened but also at the same time it's not too compressed because Dr. Octopus and Spider-Man have a much older shared history than between any other (unpowered) villain and Spider-Man. Lobok fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Sep 4, 2020 |
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Sep 4, 2020 19:20
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In Geoff Johns Teen Titans, Bart was special because he could actually retain the knowledge he obtained at super speed.
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Sep 4, 2020 19:26
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Lobok posted:I don't think he forgot considering Stunner showed up in the Superior storyline. And Slott doesn't seem like the sort to forget a thing like Dr. Octopus dying and being brought back. He just glossed over it because the story only makes sense if Dr. Octopus has the long history of being beaten up by Spider-Man because why him and not any other of his unpowered foes? The reader needs to assume the full history of Spider-Man has happened in the impossibly compressed way that every Marvel character's publication history has happened but also at the same time it's not too compressed because Dr. Octopus and Spider-Man have a much older shared history than between any other (unpowered) villain and Spider-Man. Yeah, of all the crimes Slott has committed while writing Spider-Man, I'm not going to harp on that one.
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Sep 4, 2020 19:37
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Skwirl posted:Yeah, of all the crimes Slott has committed while writing Spider-Man, I'm not going to harp on that one. Hey remember that time Peter accessed Ock's memory of banging Aunt May
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Sep 5, 2020 06:45
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TheHan posted:Was that specifically from blows to the head? I thought the relentless mutant haymakers Spider-Man landed on Ock's regular human body caused a vague total body failure. Android Blues posted:I don't know if it counts as Spider-Man killing him when it's the result of Doc Ock relentlessly hurling his mortal shell into superhero fights in an attempt to kill some people/everyone, for decades. Like, he's just old and has been through an immense amount of physical stress, most of it incurred while he was trying to violently end thousands of lives and Spider-Man's life in particular. They specifically said the exposure to radiation from his work (and the explosion) had damaged his body's ability to heal from the injuries he sustained over time.
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Sep 5, 2020 07:55
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SlothfulCobra posted:I really do think that there's a hard limit to the amount of social change you can do with just the power to lift things really well. Although there are a bunch of times when Superman does some small jobs for orphans or something. https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2011-07-13, but for real Like lots of super powers, Superman's flight and super strength seem to powered by unlimited free energy - in Supe's case, I think it's something-something-yellow-sun? - which COULD be converted into electrical energy by someone reasonably intelligent... but that would be really boring, both to Superman and the reader, so instead of spinning a colossal turbine all day he goes on adventures and punches bad guys in the face. Edit: welp, I'm a loving moron who should read the thread more carefully. Oh well! Random Asshole fucked around with this message at 08:28 on Sep 5, 2020 |
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Sep 5, 2020 08:25
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That was already posted on this very page.
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Sep 5, 2020 08:27
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That comic gets posted every time a "superman should help the world better" derail starts to the point where I feel like it just be stickied on top of every page. "Do you feel Superman doesn't help enough? Click here, okay we're done"
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Sep 5, 2020 08:51
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Superman is the most efficient solar cell on the planet so realistically he should allow Lex Luthor to strap him to some super-science gadget and use him to convert solar energy for practical use.
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Sep 5, 2020 09:00
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Rhyno posted:Hey remember that time Peter accessed Ock's memory of banging Aunt May gently caress you.
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Sep 5, 2020 09:06
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Lobok posted:It would at least be a shared responsibility. Spider-Man isn't the only person who's ever punched Dr. Octopus in the head. Sorry the Hand's Resurrection ritual will fix whatever caused your death. It does nothing for pre-existing medical conditions.
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Sep 5, 2020 09:39
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Rhyno posted:Superman is the most efficient solar cell on the planet so realistically he should allow Lex Luthor to strap him to some super-science gadget and use him to convert solar energy for practical use. he’s a person with consciousness so it would be unethical to exploit him in this way. thats my take
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Sep 5, 2020 13:42
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The Question IRL posted:Sorry the Hand's Resurrection ritual will fix whatever caused your death. It does nothing for pre-existing medical conditions. Another reason why the League of Assassins is better. 
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Sep 5, 2020 14:11
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scary ghost dog posted:he’s a person with consciousness so it would be unethical to exploit him in this way. thats my take Yeah we got some real Luthors itt
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Sep 5, 2020 14:16
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Honestly I don't think that just being a cheap source of energy would solve most structural world problems. It'd just be captured by the haves while the have-nots wind up getting nothing out of the deal so long as they lack bargaining power. Like how the increase of labor-saving technologies resulted in the decrease of the laborforce instead of just decreasing the labor on average each laborer needed to do. Technological development on its own does not restructure society despite the people who claim that all you need to fo is wait for techno-jesus.Lurdiak posted:They specifically said the exposure to radiation from his work (and the explosion) had damaged his body's ability to heal from the injuries he sustained over time. I kinda like the whole movie explanation that just the interface with the tentacles makes him go nuts, although technically in the comics the tentacles are connected to him basically by magic instead of some cyborg interface. Although I also don't remember him being that crazy in the comics, and I don't see anything wrong with a guy just being a jerk because the world kicked him around.
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Sep 5, 2020 14:35
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SlothfulCobra posted:. There was an article in Wizard magazine decades ago where they interviewed a psychologist about various Super Villains. And the made a lot of points about how he'd have to have Otto have a brain scan as actual head injuries explain his behaviour. Like in some classic 70's/80's stories, he has these crazy mood swings which seem the hallmark of actual brain damage. Like the story where Reed Richard's recruits Doc Ock to help him when Sue has complications with their pregnancy. And he is fine....until someone mentions Spider-man and he just freaks out.
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Sep 5, 2020 14:56
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scary ghost dog posted:he’s a person with consciousness so it would be unethical to exploit him in this way. thats my take FOR THE GOOD OF ALL MANKIND TwoPair posted:Yeah we got some real Luthors itt FOR THE GOOD OF ALL MANKIND
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Sep 5, 2020 15:40
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Rhyno posted:FOR THE GOOD OF ALL MANKIND in retrospect i shouldnt have specified that it would be unethical because he has consciousness. it would probably still be pretty hosed up to do that to someone otherwise
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Sep 5, 2020 17:55
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Rhyno posted:FOR THE GOOD OF ALL MANKIND That's exactly what Luthor would say.
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Sep 5, 2020 21:01
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Human rights only apply to humans.
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Sep 7, 2020 23:26
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Lurdiak posted:Human rights only apply to humans. i guess that superhumans get super rights!
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Lurdiak posted:Human rights only apply to humans. I miss Marvel Heroes
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