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Carnival of Shrews posted:But not all rich people are sex criminals. Prove it
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That is in fact not what's happening and I'm curious if you're posting in some alternate reality rn.
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Sep 6, 2020 14:24
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Note how someone who has talked about mental health still continues to relentlessly gaslight, in broad daylight, even after being asked to stop.
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Sep 6, 2020 15:13
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I think the truth is somewhere in the middle but I agree the thread would be better if RagnarokAngel stopped provoking you with the one line snipes. Maybe you should put them on your ignore list for now. Some (but not all) of your past posting can be read as bordering on manic, the people telling you that are being candid with you for the most part. It might be good to look away from the QAnon abyss for a while. But you're right that the sniping sucks.
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indiscriminately posted:I think the truth is somewhere in the middle but I agree the thread would be better if RagnarokAngel stopped provoking you with the one line snipes. Maybe you should put them on your ignore list for now. Some (but not all) of your past posting can be read as bordering on manic, the people telling you that are being candid with you for the most part. It might be good to look away from the QAnon abyss for a while. But you're right that the sniping sucks. This thread would be better if it got back to laughing at QAnon crazies. The past few days have just been unbearable.
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RagnarokAngel posted:That is in fact not what's happening and I'm curious if you're posting in some alternate reality rn. what do you seek to gain from posting this? who are you trying to impress? content: https://twitter.com/alkapdc/status/1302317189383557121?s=21
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Sep 6, 2020 18:01
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Yeah, Jesus, if you're that emotionally investment in finally being the one who owns the other with facts and logic, just has it out on Discord or something. Nobody else here gives a gently caress, and you've been actively making this thread worse for everyone else for the past week.LachlanJ posted:I live in Adelaide, Australia, and on Saturday I got caught waiting for a tram in town while the Q protest was happening just nearby. It was extremely upsetting to see how well-attended it was, but I'm not sure everyone was there for the same thing. When they started marching, the main group of protesters seemed pretty happy to let the people screaming into a megaphone about children in paedophile cages walk some distance ahead, on the other side of the road. Did you see any #savethechildren signs or iconography? That's kind of the current grifter strategy - hold a rally, and don't explicitly say it's a Qanon thing, but include lots of language about "saving children" (knowing winks to the camera optional) and you'll attract way more non- or semi-pilled people than you would by starting off talking about Soros and the Cabal.
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I was in Missoula yesterday, which is still a pretty blue city in a purple-ish state, and there was a qanon #savethechildren rally going on. It was on a street corner that typically has a tent set up that sells trump flags, blue lives matter flags, thin blue lines flags, and other assorted right wing garbage. What stood out about the protest was how weirdly aggressive the protestors were. There was like 5 or 6 youngish white males, a woman who was sitting nearby and one young kid. The dudes all looked like stereotypical basement dwellers, probably mid to early 20s so I’m guessing probably single. They were not protesting so much as screaming and running into traffic at the light to shove signs into drivers windshields. They were very angry seeming and while I only drove through for a max of like 2 minutes of eyes on time, in that time they had several drivers honking at them for blocking the turn lane or otherwise running into the crosswalk to prevent people from driving. The signs had extremely aggressive wording, not shying away from things like “how would you like it if your child was violently raped for the rest of their natural life???” I’m not sure how these people expected to gain support by being assholes, but people were obviously taking the long way around to avoid walking through their congregation. It was just weird that they had a message that one would assume should get pretty good positive traction but they ruined any support from passerby’s by being dickheads. I think they missed the memo about qanon protests being more subtle to try and trick more people into investigating the conspiracy and joining the qult. There was also a “trump parade” on that same street that passed by that consisted of a few jacked up brodozers with trump flags and a massive turnout of 3 whole people to watch the parade. Yeah, they all drove like assholes, why do you ask?
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I figure it is more about demonstrating power and perhaps visibility to less courageous adherents than to actually convince anybody.
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Some people are just really into being contrarians as well. I’ve known a few people in my life who couldn’t go a day without intentionally angering others, and they often did so by being aggressive about dumb conspiracy poo poo. One would talk about Alex Jones to the person seated next to him every day and the other would shout antivax stuff and tell people they were killing their kids by taking them to the doctor etc. In both cases, I don’t think they cared about anything except making others angry. It was like a compulsion.
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Crunch Buttsteak posted:Did you see any #savethechildren signs or iconography? That's kind of the current grifter strategy - hold a rally, and don't explicitly say it's a Qanon thing, but include lots of language about "saving children" (knowing winks to the camera optional) and you'll attract way more non- or semi-pilled people than you would by starting off talking about Soros and the Cabal. Lots of anti-mask stuff, so I'm assuming that's the promotion strategy they used for getting people to turn up. I'd hate to guess how many of them were pilled-up true believers. There was this weirdly smug tone to proceedings and none of them really knew how to protest, so I figured that a lot of them were new to it.
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New Yorp New Yorp posted:This thread would be better if it got back to laughing at QAnon crazies. The past few days have just been unbearable. Post whatever you like yo How is that facebook lady doing now? LachlanJ posted:Lots of anti-mask stuff, so I'm assuming that's the promotion strategy they used for getting people to turn up. That's exactly what it is, and that's the major catalyst for the growth we're seeing now. At their heart, all modern conspiracies are built on the idea that "governments" are part of an evil plot for world domination. Which is why they have been weaponised by capitalist conservatives, who don't want any governments telling them they have to fix their leaking oil pipes or de-segregate their schools. They all stem from Nesta Webster's fusion of the Communist narrative with the Illuminati narrative and the Zionist narrative, and mostly entered politics through the John Birch Society. The WHO suggesting governments tell their citizens to stay inside, or wear masks, is the closest to home that narrative has ever been able to hit, and with millions of people locked in their homes while the economy burns, platforms like Brietbart are able to heavily promote films like "Plandemic". Meanwhile, people like like Mike Adams have been using things like "Natural news" to incubate the conspiracy virus among people who would not otherwise be ideologically aligned with the conservative capitalists. There is evidence to suggest that "russian" agencies have been doing the same thing too, with cleverly disguised facebook groups stretching back as far as 2012. So now they that community is primed to jump right on board too. See these: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/20/technology/plandemic-movie-youtube-facebook-coronavirus.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/28/technology/virus-video-trump.html
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I can't believe how far this dumb poo poo for stupids has gone. I'm starting to wonder if maybe I'm the crazy one for not believing in it too.
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Sep 7, 2020 03:57
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Church of the New Epochs using the goddamn persuadertron again
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DO NOT BE AFRAID, THIS IS THE WAY OF THE NEW EPOCH
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Big Hubris posted:Feels like this started at "Carthago delenda est." Oh and yeah, basically: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?&threadid=3893410&pagenumber=191#post497569025
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A common thread among a lot of the latest wave of Q converts is the Instagram account "Connecting Consciousness". 700K + followers. This is their latest post:  (Which is a "partnership" with this account, using an identical visual style: https://www.instagram.com/getchoq/) Similar thing to the the Australian "We are Awakening" account from last week. An organic-looking social media account mixing consciousness-based conspiracy narratives in with pro-russian propaganda. (although to be fair, scrolling back through CC's far higher volume of content reveals much lower volume Russian stuff, so they're either quieter or subtler, or newer, or I'm just off the mark anyway). Regardless, they are both playing a part in pushing people towards "Q". Well, kind of, "Q" isn't the destination or anything, more like another vehicle on the same road, or piece on the same board. For whoever wanted a laugh, it looks like our civilisation is basically falling apart because people used conspiracies to sell supplements.
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A shocking amount of this does seem to come back to wanting to sell snake oil to idiots.
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Buck can you please shut the gently caress up and stop filling an otherwise entertaining thread with conspiracy babble?
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It's the Qanon thread, if you don't want to debate or discuss Qanon, might I point you towards the rest of literally the entire world. But assuming you mean "conspiracy babble" to mean something which is by definition untrue, how about you specifically name at least one thing you think that describes, and explain why you find it so implausible. I'm very sorry to break up your entertainment but people are getting hurt and it has the potential to be much more dangerous.
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And we're all aware of that, so shut the gently caress up and stop trying to wake up the sheeple in this thread. Put your energy towards reaching out and helping people who are actually actively hurting because of this silly bullshit, instead of defensively screaming that you've figured out what's REALLY going on to people observing all this nonsense from afar. No matter what the subject, saying "oh ho, pick ONE thing that I have said wrong and elaborate!" just means that you're loving up the thread with your Realm of Ideals horseshit and nobody besides you wants to see it.
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Bucky Fullminster posted:It's the Qanon thread, if you don't want to debate or discuss Qanon, might I point you towards the rest of literally the entire world. I mean conspiracy babble as in ten pages of textwalls that would be about pizza and basements if you spent a little more time on right leaning sites when you were younger. Go make your own thread to pick fights in while the sane or functional nuts users talk in here because clearly we're all a lost cause
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bonelessdongs posted:Buck can you please shut the gently caress up and stop filling an otherwise entertaining thread with conspiracy babble? no u
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bonelessdongs posted:I mean conspiracy babble as in ten pages of textwalls that would be about pizza and basements if you spent a little more time on right leaning sites when you were younger. Go make your own thread to pick fights in while the sane or functional nuts users talk in here because clearly we're all a lost cause so you don't have any theories as to why a major Qanon recruiting account also posts ridiculous propaganda about how awesome putin is and how russia is doing everything right except a theory that the poster that points it out is 'as crazy' as a cultist you're worthless in this thread. Bucky contributes. Please stop hounding him you dolt.
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Uglycat posted:Please stop hounding him you dolt. No. In addition do NOT gaslight me about what is and isn't loving crazy as I am an expert bonelessdongs fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Sep 7, 2020 |
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Sep 7, 2020 18:23
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Here, let me try to get the thread back on track:Crazy QAnon Lady posted:Oh those sneaky snakes.
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Amazing. I haven't figured out what's really going on. I'd like to though. So I'm sharing material and inviting discussion. I am not screaming, nor am I trying to convince you. This is debate and discussion, you are of course welcome to contribute what you like, but if you only want funny stories maybe you can make a thread in PYF. Or you can easily just ignore my posts rather than telling me what to do. If no one can name a single thing that's implausible, how does it count as horeshit?
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VitalSigns posted:I can't believe how far this dumb poo poo for stupids has gone. Remember how PJ and Uglycat were warning that this was a lot more serious than it appeared in 2018? In light of what we have seen since then, is it possible they were closer to the mark than it may have seemed?
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Bucky Fullminster posted:Amazing. I'm just tired of seeing 200 new posts over a weekend and having it turn out to be a rhetorical slapfight over whether or not minute details of a long, rambling theory "explaining" Qanon's existence are logical or not. If that stops happening, hey, post whatever you want. But your "debate me, cowards!" mindset is making this thread lovely to read to anyone who doesn't want to engage with you.
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Crunch Buttsteak posted:I'm just tired of seeing 200 new posts over a weekend and having it turn out to be a rhetorical slapfight over whether or not minute details of a long, rambling theory "explaining" Qanon's existence are logical or not. If that stops happening, hey, post whatever you want. But your "debate me, cowards!" mindset is making this thread lovely to read to anyone who doesn't want to engage with you. He's been proposing explanations and providing evidence that is /consistent with/ (not definitive proof!), and responding to bad faith trolls that are gaslighting him. I concede that the replies to gaslighting are the lesser of those posts, but I kinda blame the gaslighters, not the person making an earnest effort and replying to people accusing him of being a nut. Cut the gaslighting bullshit, the thread will read just fine without bucky having to change their habits at all. But yeah, bucky... Prester and I also dealt with this same tactic, and the principle behind it is to make you (or prester, or me) look like nutjobs. Don't feed the trolls, don't get butthurt, yadda yadda. The hypothesis that Qanon is an op by an agency is absolutely as viable as a hypothesis that it formed spontaneously and was then astro-turfed. I think the preponderance leans toward it being an op, and as Bucky *and* his critics have pointed out, it doesn't change our present circumstances either way - any more than Covid being a bioweapon (it's not) would change the reality we're facing (deadly virus running wild). But yeah, in '07 I couldn't help but notice all my radicalized leftist friends that were heading down the qanon rabbithole - all seemed to believe, very strongly and explicitly, that Putin is 'Sexy.' It raised my eyebrow.
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VitalSigns posted:I can't believe how far this dumb poo poo for stupids has gone. Hell, same to be honest. It’s garbage but I can’t help but feeing dumb for not getting it.
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It’s a drat shame Umberto Eco died, Qanon and pizzagate would make for a hell of a sequel to Foucault’s Pendulum.
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Armitage posted:Hell, same to be honest. It’s garbage but I can’t help but feeing dumb for not getting it. The issue here is that Q is making an extraordinary claim, namely that they're doing something to deal with all these people. Maybe it's true, maybe it isn't, but until it is confirmed to be true, this circus will remain open for business. It's all hints and winks and nods that something is happening, but until Hillary finally gets cuffed, it's all hot air. But seeing how Q is now in the mainstream media's spotlight, it seems like we'll know soon enough what the truth is.
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Crunch Buttsteak posted:I'm just tired of seeing 200 new posts over a weekend and having it turn out to be a rhetorical slapfight over whether or not minute details of a long, rambling theory "explaining" Qanon's existence are logical or not. If that stops happening, hey, post whatever you want. But your "debate me, cowards!" mindset is making this thread lovely to read to anyone who doesn't want to engage with you. Holy mother of Karen, imagine being this entitled Unless you’re taking about Owlfancier, in which case yeah totally, but where have you been for the past month And to be clear, there is no disagreement over the logic. In fact there doesn’t seem to be disagreement over anything anyone can actually name Bucky Fullminster fucked around with this message at 01:09 on Sep 8, 2020 |
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If anyone does want to dive deeper into the sphere of internet influence: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/will-democracy-survive-big-data-and-artificial-intelligence/ Which came from this blog, which seems to have a lot of similar sources, packed in with some unfortunate formatting: https://theconnectivist.wordpress.c...JKH_izrCh7BDlm0
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packetmantis posted:I don't think Bucky actually knows what gaslighting is. Please stop gaslighting bucky about bucky knowing what the meaning of gaslighting is 
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Blattdorf posted:The issue here is that Q is making an extraordinary claim, namely that they're doing something to deal with all these people. Maybe it's true, maybe it isn't, but until it is confirmed to be true, this circus will remain open for business. It's all hints and winks and nods that something is happening, but until Hillary finally gets cuffed, it's all hot air. Unfortunately, a thing that they claim that they are doing is replacing people with body doubles as they get ready for the big moment. Some Qanon stuff already claims that Obama and Hillary and Bill and etc... have already been tried and judicially executed at Guantanamo. Th general public is just not ready for this truth though so they use doubles to keep the libs pacified. So, Hillary being cuffed is irrelevant. I mean, if you are going to go all crazyhaha there is no reason to half-rear end it, just cover the hole in your crazy with more crazy.
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Uglycat posted:Qultists look at all 'the evidence' they've consumed and they /can't image/ a plausible explanation for the serendipity of it all, apart from The Narrative. So if your goal is to 'deprogram' a Qultist, having an alternative narrative that accounts for all of 'the evidence' they have consumed PLUS adds additional narrative-relevant information (and hbrings intrigue! and an opportunity to fight for justice!) is an effort to wrest control of their mind from the Consensus Reality hivemind. I mean sure, this isn't hard: Q started out as a bunch of basement dwelling losers roleplaying as government superagents, got kicked off 4chan and moved to 8chan, and has now been taken over by creepy sexpat serial killer who lives in the Phillipines. They's the kind of short form summary/narrative that is easy to throw out there.
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Murgos posted:Unfortunately, a thing that they claim that they are doing is replacing people with body doubles as they get ready for the big moment. Some Qanon stuff already claims that Obama and Hillary and Bill and etc... have already been tried and judicially executed at Guantanamo. Pretty much. None of the predictions can ever be wrong, because that is also all part of the coverup and more evidence that Q is actually right
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