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fadam posted:you can tell it's midrange because it sucks to play and it sucks to play against If midrange sucks to play against, what is fun to play against?
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Sep 12, 2020 01:36
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Goblin decks being a thing takes me back to the days of scourge. Before the dark times.
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Sep 12, 2020 01:39
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Sickening posted:If midrange sucks to play against, what is fun to play against? Anything but Uro
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Sep 12, 2020 01:40
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Magic sucks right now because I can't go out and actually play it face to face so half the reason I like it is gone. I realize that covid isn't Wizards' fault, but it does make Magic not as fun as it usually is.
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Sep 12, 2020 01:40
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Sickening posted:If midrange sucks to play against, what is fun to play against? Decks I have a positive matchup against
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Sep 12, 2020 01:43
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This poo poo sucks. The greatest players of all time shouldn’t be dropping games to bugs, it’s so weird there is no appeal system in place for obvious bugs https://twitter.com/pvddr/status/1304548866650447872?s=21
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Sep 12, 2020 01:47
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Here, I made this.
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Sep 12, 2020 01:51
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historic seems to not be in a completely terrible spot right now which is nice. But I sympathize with pros who feel like OP is in a bad state. whenever I try to figure out how competitive play is organized and what is required to advance and what the names of everything are, my thoughts become foggy and my brain turns to mush
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Sep 12, 2020 02:01
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Things seem fine right now in Historic and Standard at least if you're not someone whose livelihood depends on playing a child's game. There are the usual stagnation issues because there's nothing new to do until rotation but that's par for the course. Sorry the grinders are having a bad time. Does seem like WOTC should have sorted out all these issues on Arena before they went ahead with a highly publicized organized tournament but that's WOTC for you.
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Sep 12, 2020 02:15
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Bust Rodd posted:This poo poo sucks. The greatest players of all time shouldn’t be dropping games to bugs, it’s so weird there is no appeal system in place for obvious bugs It’s not a bug. You have to set full control in those situations because Arena’s code prioritizes passing if there are no plays available. Otherwise the play clock would be more abysmal. I can empathize with PVDDR but I have run into similar situations several times to realize when full control is necessary.
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Sep 12, 2020 02:23
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Yeah, two of the biggest problems are with Phyrexian Tower (for the controller) and Massacre Wurm (for the opponent). If you have a Skirk Prospector and ten 1/1 Goblin tokens, the game does not give you priority in response to Massacre Wurm's trigger and you lose the game instantly. The only solution is to constantly hit CTRL as soon as your opponent could feasibly have a Massacre Wurm.
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Sep 12, 2020 02:24
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Ok, I’ve had a couple times when I was playing Winota where I very obviously had things to do and mana to do it with and the game would just power through, extremely tilting even when playing at home for free, can’t imagine how I’d feel if money were on the line.
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Sep 12, 2020 02:30
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Bust Rodd posted:Ok, I’ve had a couple times when I was playing Winota where I very obviously had things to do and mana to do it with and the game would just power through, extremely tilting even when playing at home for free, can’t imagine how I’d feel if money were on the line. I clicked the wrong permanent in the Magic Qualifier a few months ago and it cost me the match. I ended up coming in second to win $1000, although it doesn't matter. WOTC's partner won't me collect all my prize money since I'm an American citizen who has never lived in the United States.
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Sep 12, 2020 02:32
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Chamale posted:I clicked the wrong permanent in the Magic Qualifier a few months ago and it cost me the match. I ended up coming in second to win $1000, although it doesn't matter. WOTC's partner won't me collect all my prize money since I'm an American citizen who has never lived in the United States. They're withholding taxes?
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Sep 12, 2020 02:35
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Devor posted:They're withholding taxes? It's not that, there's a limit on how much I can get as a non-US resident to prevent money laundering, but they don't accept my proof that I am an American citizen.
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Sep 12, 2020 02:41
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Bust Rodd posted:Ok, I’ve had a couple times when I was playing Winota where I very obviously had things to do and mana to do it with and the game would just power through, extremely tilting even when playing at home for free, can’t imagine how I’d feel if money were on the line.
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Sep 12, 2020 03:22
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Yawgmoth posted:Same here, and I really can't figure out how the game decides which things are "basically full control as long as this is in play/in hand" and "better lean on ctrl until you've done this thing or you'll never get to do it when you'd want to!" It seems completely random. if you have mana sources but nothing to spend them on, it fast forwards (prospector, tower, etc) same if you have triggers that go off on certain phases/steps (wild rec, search for azcanta, omens, etc)
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Sep 12, 2020 03:26
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The issue with Phyrexian tower is particularly egregious due to the fact that it is extremely obvious to the player that there are relevant game actions to be taken and the game just fails to recognize them. Stealing a creature and saccing for value is like, a basic part of magic the gathering and the fact that the game auto passes through it is absolutely ludicrous.
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Sep 12, 2020 03:34
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Paul Zuvella posted:Stealing a creature and saccing for value is like, a basic part of magic the gathering and the fact that the game auto passes through it is absolutely ludicrous. It didn’t miss a steal spell or ability. It missed the fact that sacking a creature could change the game state even without being able to cast a spell or activating an ability. Which is way more understandable, Magic is a complex game and building out logic to catch edge cases like that isn’t simple.
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Sep 12, 2020 03:52
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Crackbone posted:It didn’t miss a steal spell or ability. It missed the fact that sacking a creature could change the game state even without being able to cast a spell or activating an ability. Which is way more understandable, Magic is a complex game and building out logic to catch edge cases like that isn’t simple.
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Sep 12, 2020 04:08
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You can do take backs in irl magic now why not have a key or something that would rewind if the game sped through without giving you a chance to do something? Lead to too many feel bads?
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Sep 12, 2020 04:09
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gameplay is very bad in standard and has been for a long time, other formats are only recently climbing out of being miserably lovely, and on top of and separate from that the state of organized play is a disaster. COVID has obviously made things worse, but OP was already bad and rapidly getting worse in the 3+ years beforehand. WOTC is trying to cultivate a big competitive scene while putting in maybe 1/3 of the resources they were before (and 1/10 of what it would take). Yes obviously the fact that the game isn’t fun to play is hurting tournament play, as is the fact that nobody can go outside, but even if those issues were fixed WOTC is just not interested in investing the resources it would take to make organized play good, and the result is a lot of very angry competitive players.
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Sep 12, 2020 04:20
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It's cool that Historic went from a joke to probably the most fun format. I'm just glad that Teferi Time Raveler and Field are banned, because it'd just be a shitshow of nothing but Bant decks ramping towards Ugin and Second Sun while building an army of free 2/2s with both u/w teferis as backup.
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Sep 12, 2020 04:30
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Can anyone recommend an up to date deckbuilding guide?
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Sep 12, 2020 04:51
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- for what format - if it's for standard, that's changing in less than a week
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Sep 12, 2020 04:54
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Modern and Pioneer. I'd like to know more about the newer archetypes like midrange.
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Sep 12, 2020 05:24
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Crackbone posted:It didn’t miss a steal spell or ability. It missed the fact that sacking a creature could change the game state even without being able to cast a spell or activating an ability. Which is way more understandable, Magic is a complex game and building out logic to catch edge cases like that isn’t simple. there are tons, and tons of non essential triggers that the game forces you to click through. Ones that come up way less often than phyrexian tower, which is one of the most powerful cards in the historic format and played in tons of decks. This is not a new problem, it has existed since the card got put on arena. The fact that they have not just gone in and made the game always yield to phyrexian tower triggers is just flat out stupid. Baron Porkface posted:Modern and Pioneer. I'd like to know more about the newer archetypes like midrange. Just go to MTGgoldfish and look up the metagames for each format.
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Sep 12, 2020 05:32
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Baron Porkface posted:Modern and Pioneer. I'd like to know more about the newer archetypes like midrange. 
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Sep 12, 2020 06:24
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Baron Porkface posted:Modern and Pioneer. I'd like to know more about the newer archetypes like midrange. oh sorry i thought you were asking an honest question, my bad (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Sep 12, 2020 06:35
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flatluigi posted:oh sorry i thought you were asking an honest question, my bad Whats your problem?
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Sep 12, 2020 06:45
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Baron Porkface posted:Whats your problem? "Midrange" isn't am archtype, and we just had a page long derail on how "midrange bad and kills the game" so if you're not trolling this sounds very oblivious.
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Sep 12, 2020 06:56
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GoutPatrol posted:"Midrange" isn't am archtype, and we just had a page long derail on how "midrange bad and kills the game" so if you're not trolling this sounds very oblivious. Or maybe I didn't read 10 billion pages of this thread in order to have permission to post here.
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Sep 12, 2020 06:59
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Baron Porkface posted:Or maybe I didn't read 10 billion pages of this thread in order to have permission to post here. Ask a better question then (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Sep 12, 2020 07:06
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Dial it down a notch, kiddiesBaron Porkface posted:Modern and Pioneer. I'd like to know more about the newer archetypes like midrange. Midrange is kinda funny because it generally occupies an in-between for aggro and control. It’s generally about using spells to control the board/hand while pressuring the opponent with creatures/walkers and trying to come out on top in terms of card advantage. It’s technically existed for a long time but has been more prominent the last decade or so partly due to design philosophy changes As for a deckbuilding guide I’m not sure one is available out there at the moment that would be super helpful. Modern in particular is a pretty wide open format at the moment with so many viable decks, but this is a pretty much quintessential example of midrange.
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Sep 12, 2020 07:19
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The best way to go about figuring out a format is probably to check out mtgtop8 and sort by last two months or last two weeks then trawl through the lists, especially the ones under the decks that make up a higher percentage of the meta in the left box, when you find one you’re curious about you can post here and ask questions that people can hopefully answer when they’re done being condescending white weenies
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Sep 12, 2020 07:24
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TheKingofSprings posted:Dial it down a notch, kiddies 
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Sep 12, 2020 07:36
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Leperflesh posted:you know you can totally go "hmm I see that you think this card is great but based on X, Y, and Z I think it isn't so great" or "I would politely differ, friends, I feel like given it could do A B and C, maybe it's a good card though" and similarly not try and wheelslam down a super-aggro shitpost about how your MTG: The Thread enemies are just insanely stupid and driving you to howling laughter by their mega-wrong take? flatluigi posted:oh sorry i thought you were asking an honest question, my bad uggy posted:Ask a better question then 
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Sep 12, 2020 08:50
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does anyone get way more tilted playing on arena/mtgo than in paper? i never show frustration when playing in paper, because it's just not something i do irl and i wanna show people respect. it's easy because you see that your opponent is an actual human being and you're having fun, chatting, etc. but when i'm playing arena and opponent is topdecking like crazy i can't help but imagine them to be just the worst filth ever and get all riled up like a little bitch
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Sep 12, 2020 10:48
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Mox Hombre posted:does anyone get way more tilted playing on arena/mtgo than in paper? i never show frustration when playing in paper, because it's just not something i do irl and i wanna show people respect. it's easy because you see that your opponent is an actual human being and you're having fun, chatting, etc. but when i'm playing arena and opponent is topdecking like crazy i can't help but imagine them to be just the worst filth ever and get all riled up like a little bitch Lol yes, yesterday I got so mad and started screaming like a lunatic and my dog got scared and left the room and went upstairs, haha.
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Sep 12, 2020 10:53
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Baron Porkface posted:Or maybe I didn't read 10 billion pages of this thread in order to have permission to post here. its the same loving page
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