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I know a few people with a disproportionate hate-on for Hilary (like, she's the number threat to everything in the world) and I now have an insight to how they think.
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Blattdorf posted:There are a number of potential possibilities, some of which are downright crazy (and even the most benign ones are crazy to begin with): It sounds like there’s a lot of incontrovertible evidence of many serious crimes here. Why has she not been prosecuted? Seems like an easy slam-dunk that any prosecutor would take. I mean, New York has been going after Donald Trump for much less.
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Sep 20, 2020 19:45
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She literally murdered someone and isn’t in jail?!
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Sep 20, 2020 20:00
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Where does this idea that hilary done ben ghazi come from anyway? I can't imagine her leading a commando raid.
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Sep 20, 2020 20:04
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:She literally murdered someone and isn’t in jail?! the Barr Justice Department is just too concerned with tradition, decorum, and not going after their political opponents to prosecute, even though the evidence is all there and 100% ironclad
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Sep 20, 2020 20:05
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OwlFancier posted:Where does this idea that hilary done ben ghazi come from anyway? I can't imagine her leading a commando raid. She was SecState when it happened so obviously it was her fault (but not in a "she's the head of the State Department so by the Buck Stops Here principle she's responsible" way since that would make some kind of logical sense).
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Sep 20, 2020 20:07
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OwlFancier posted:Where does this idea that hilary done ben ghazi come from anyway? I can't imagine her leading a commando raid.
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Sep 20, 2020 20:12
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Blattdorf posted:There are a number of potential possibilities, some of which are downright crazy (and even the most benign ones are crazy to begin with): Why has Trump not taken greater actions other than vaguely poo poo-stirring rhetoric when he can't think of anything else to say?
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Sep 20, 2020 20:48
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Trump hasn’t mentioned Hillary since the election, has he?
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Sep 20, 2020 20:49
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Trump hasn’t mentioned Hillary since the election, has he?
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Sep 20, 2020 20:51
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Nessus posted:What are the crazier options? What if Trump was involved in a battle with the very conspiracy that Killary is a part of and he's such a smooth-brained genius that he has to battle on multiple fronts against this deep entrenched state department organization (remember Killary was part of the state department, the leader in fact), but he cannot take action against her because of the many n-dimensional chess aspects of this battle, however, he can signal to use via typos and bizarre utterances in public, much like the book "Mother Night" and because similarly are so smoothly galaxy brained we can understand the messages, that he is uttering, and the fear laced child blood-drinking organization that Killary is a part of cannot parse them because these messages are too pure and inspired? Crazy enough for you?
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Sep 20, 2020 21:43
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pseudanonymous posted:What if Trump was involved in a battle with the very conspiracy that Killary is a part of and he's such a smooth-brained genius that he has to battle on multiple fronts against this deep entrenched state department organization (remember Killary was part of the state department, the leader in fact), but he cannot take action against her because of the many n-dimensional chess aspects of this battle, however, he can signal to use via typos and bizarre utterances in public, much like the book "Mother Night" and because similarly are so smoothly galaxy brained we can understand the messages, that he is uttering, and the fear laced child blood-drinking organization that Killary is a part of cannot parse them because these messages are too pure and inspired? Crazy enough for you? 
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Sep 20, 2020 21:45
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Nessus posted:I wonder if this holy mantle would have descended on Ted Cruz or Jeb! if they had won the Republican primary instead. No. They're nowhere near crazy enough. If pizza-molester-man or Goldman! had been elected, then maybe. Maybe Cruz when it came out that he is in fact the Zodiac killer. He's weird enough when you actually watch him when he's not on his best behavior.
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Sep 20, 2020 21:50
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:It sounds like there’s a lot of incontrovertible evidence of many serious crimes here. Why has she not been prosecuted? Seems like an easy slam-dunk that any prosecutor would take. I mean, New York has been going after Donald Trump for much less. Captain Monkey posted:Now please answer my earlier question - why is she not in jail, if there’s all this evidence? edit: Or more dramatically, the Clintons are holding hostage someone in Trump's family. But this would mean Trump can be put into a compromising situation, he is not omnipotent... nah! indiscriminately fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Sep 20, 2020 |
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Sep 20, 2020 22:01
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indiscriminately posted:Just speaking to general principles, not the specific facts or context here (because I don't know them and am not too curious about them): wouldn't you do the same? Isn't it in your best interest to vet and limit what you provide to an investigative body, to the extent you can? If the FBI is investigating you, Blattdorf, and the stakes are very high for you here, and your career, finances, power, identity are closely tied to your professional image- wouldn't you be as cautious as the law allows you to be? Wouldn't you be quite foolish to do anything less, whatever your political affiliation? If it was my rear end on the line, I would vet and limit things to whatever extent I could. If I could get away with not handing over things that would land me in serious hot water, I would. It sounds like you're kinda proving my point here? Because I also wouldn't put myself in such a position in the first place, and if there was something bad, I'd come clean and try to resolve it. This does involve matters of national security so if I could minimize things, I wouldn't try to destroy potential material that could make my case look better. There's more to the Clinton Foundation's sudden loss of funding than just a lost election, but I'd need to get into this in a separate post. Antifa Turkeesian posted:It sounds like there’s a lot of incontrovertible evidence of many serious crimes here. Why has she not been prosecuted? Seems like an easy slam-dunk that any prosecutor would take. I mean, New York has been going after Donald Trump for much less. Blackmail is one major reason. Tons and tons of blackmail on various people in various institutions at various levels. In various countries. Hillary has definitely built up a large cache of that, but it's not just her. Think about all the top people going after Trump for Russia collusion, just to give an idea here. You would have to carefully look at the history of each person to figure out if they could have a motive for this, and a lot of them do. Imagine all of them nested in every avenue of power, all trying to demonize your every breath. Without a rock-solid case that destroys their every lie, you're dead. I'll have to expand on this point in a separate post because there's a lot to unpack here. Nessus posted:What are the crazier options? The crazier options involve things found in the Podesta e-mails. I'd need to unpack this in a separate post because it's the short version that makes everyone dismiss it as premium-grade bullshit. There is something to it, though, that'd make you at least scratch your head.
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Sep 20, 2020 22:45
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I would certainly like to hear it. When you have finished laying out your theory I will give my own which you may find illuminating.
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Sep 20, 2020 22:48
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Blattdorf posted:Blackmail is one major reason. Tons and tons of blackmail on various people in various institutions at various levels. In various countries. Hillary has definitely built up a large cache of that, but it's not just her. Think about all the top people going after Trump for Russia collusion, just to give an idea here. You would have to carefully look at the history of each person to figure out if they could have a motive for this, and a lot of them do. Imagine all of them nested in every avenue of power, all trying to demonize your every breath. Without a rock-solid case that destroys their every lie, you're dead. I'll have to expand on this point in a separate post because there's a lot to unpack here. Please don’t take this response as a dismissal, because I am extremely interested in your argument here and especially the Podesta stuff, but if Hillary Clinton has enough blackmail material to control Donald Trump and all federal and state prosecutors, what would she have to fear from an FBI investigation of her email? And are you saying that Hillary Clinton can control Donald Trump through blackmail? What dirt does she have on him? Do you think every prosecutor and judge in the country has done as much dirty poo poo as Donald Trump?
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Sep 20, 2020 23:18
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indiscriminately posted:Or more dramatically, the Clintons are holding hostage someone in Trump's family. But this would mean Trump can be put into a compromising situation, he is not omnipotent... nah! Who pray tell could this be? Did they fake Trump's brother's death? Also where are they keeping said hostage? Please provide a labeled diagram, if possible.
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Sep 20, 2020 23:22
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The primary hurdle that needs to be surmounted is how these possibilities are more likely than the scenario that she and her staff just didn’t want to be bothered with red tape and FOIA compliance for communication they didn’t think it was necessary to safeguard, and then when called out for it, tried to hide the evidence and deflect rather than admit to a minor crime because they’re egotists who think rules are for little people
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Sep 20, 2020 23:22
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Please don’t take this response as a dismissal, because I am extremely interested in your argument here and especially the Podesta stuff, but if Hillary Clinton has enough blackmail material to control Donald Trump and all federal and state prosecutors, what would she have to fear from an FBI investigation of her email? Also this blackmail is both so incredibly damaging that it is able to control thousands of independent actors simultaneously, but also not damaging enough to prevent the secrets from getting out. Blattdorf, what sort of blackmail could keep you from revealing the things you obviously know but won't tell? Give us an example of the sorts of things you think could actually control people the way you allege. What's your opinion of Loose Change and the multiple variants that have been released as various pieces become disproven?
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Sep 20, 2020 23:23
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Blattdorf posted:If it was my rear end on the line, I would vet and limit things to whatever extent I could. If I could get away with not handing over things that would land me in serious hot water, I would. It sounds like you're kinda proving my point here? quote:Because I also wouldn't put myself in such a position in the first place quote:I wouldn't try to destroy potential material that could make my case look better. e: thanks for staying in the discussion and staying civil despite the sometimes harsh pushback. You are tough. indiscriminately fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Sep 20, 2020 |
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Blattdorf posted:If it was my rear end on the line, I would vet and limit things to whatever extent I could. If I could get away with not handing over things that would land me in serious hot water, I would. It sounds like you're kinda proving my point here? Because I also wouldn't put myself in such a position in the first place, and if there was something bad, I'd come clean and try to resolve it. This does involve matters of national security so if I could minimize things, I wouldn't try to destroy potential material that could make my case look better. Changing the subject slightly, what are your thoughts on why Trump is hiding his tax returns?
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Blattdorf posted:The crazier options involve things found in the Podesta e-mails. I'd need to unpack this in a separate post because it's the short version that makes everyone dismiss it as premium-grade bullshit. There is something to it, though, that'd make you at least scratch your head. please lay it out - really curious to follow this thread
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Sep 21, 2020 00:32
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Please let it be the walnut sauce, which was featured in a Runners World video from 2014: https://www.runnersworld.com/runners-stories/a20785768/political-guru-podesta-wins-age-group-at-capitol-hill-10k/
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Sep 21, 2020 00:49
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Watching Blattdorf try to explain why Hillary is a super-criminal is pretty loving funny when the actual Piss Tape exists, which proves that Russia has leverage over Trump. https://pisstape.org
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Sep 21, 2020 01:29
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The amount and severity of dirt on, well, apparently everybody everywhere, that would be required to have been accumulated for this sort of scenario to be plausible is not really within the reach of individuals, even very wealthy and connected ones. Such a massive dataset is the sort of collection that is gathered and pieced together by state intelligence agencies. So for this sort of thing to work, I suppose the Clintons made a copy of everything the CIA/NSA/DIA/NRO/FBI has? Where is their massive private shadow data center? The hollow Earth or the dark side of the moon with the Mi-Go? Or did they just slip a few dozen thumb drives into the PRESIDENTIAL TOP SECRET computer in the Oval Office every day for eight years and murder anybody who noticed?
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Sep 21, 2020 01:47
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The Cubelodyte posted:The amount and severity of dirt on, well, apparently everybody everywhere, that would be required to have been accumulated for this sort of scenario to be plausible is not really within the reach of individuals, even very wealthy and connected ones. Such a massive dataset is the sort of collection that is gathered and pieced together by state intelligence agencies. More importantly, what do they have on Blattdorf?
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Sep 21, 2020 02:04
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Somfin posted:More importantly, what do they have on Blattdorf? If you look at his rap sheet it's clear he tried to tell us the truth about Hillary once before and was punished for it. It's very brave of him to come out again and reveal what's really going on.
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Sep 21, 2020 02:17
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A true Patriot, just like Q. 
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Sep 21, 2020 05:01
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Trazz posted:Watching Blattdorf try to explain why Hillary is a super-criminal is pretty loving funny when the actual Piss Tape exists, which proves that Russia has leverage over Trump. At this point the piss tape wouldn't even nudge Trump's numbers, so it wouldn't be very effective blackmail material. It would get released, and the next day chud social media would be flooded (no pun intended) with videos of chuds pissing up on themselves, drinking piss, talking about the medical benefits of piss, selling piss supplements. There'd probably be churches in which they drink piss from chalices and claim it was hinted at in the Bible.
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Sep 21, 2020 05:28
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Smeef posted:At this point the piss tape wouldn't even nudge Trump's numbers, so it wouldn't be very effective blackmail material. It would get released, and the next day chud social media would be flooded (no pun intended) with videos of chuds pissing up on themselves, drinking piss, talking about the medical benefits of piss, selling piss supplements. There'd probably be churches in which they drink piss from chalices and claim it was hinted at in the Bible. Strike fast, be the first to sell piss and claim it came from the President!
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Sep 21, 2020 05:44
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twistedmentat posted:Strike fast, be the first to sell piss and claim it came from the President! It'll be the only piss on the market that can pass the Tang color test.
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Sep 21, 2020 05:57
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Please don’t take this response as a dismissal, because I am extremely interested in your argument here and especially the Podesta stuff, but if Hillary Clinton has enough blackmail material to control Donald Trump and all federal and state prosecutors, what would she have to fear from an FBI investigation of her email? She doesn't have anything on him. If they truly had anything on him, it would have all ended a long, long time ago. They went to impeachment based on Trump wanting to find out what was going on with Ukraine and Biden. Biden admitted on tape to threatening Ukraine to get the prosecutor laid off who was investigating his son and Burisma or they wouldn't get any money - and they somehow turned Biden's actions into an impeachment proceeding against Trump. I've listened to almost 24 hours of Adam Schiff's, the Capitol's premiere Putin mind-reader, tortured explanations of Putin's secret plans just in case there really was something to it. There wasn't. But maybe I'd yap away like that, too, if they had photos of me shooting drugs with others in some hotel. And that's the thing. What she does have - and what many, many other people have - is blackmail on each other. They are all motivated by not wanting the really dirty secrets to come to light, and in a way that no one would be able to dismiss. A big portion of it connects to Wikileaks because if it turns out they've all been lying knowingly, all those different conspiracy theories? People will start to wonder. Somfin posted:Also this blackmail is both so incredibly damaging that it is able to control thousands of independent actors simultaneously, but also not damaging enough to prevent the secrets from getting out. Sex trafficking. Pedophilia. Torture. Endangering national security at such a level that they'd reinstate the firing squad exclusively for the offender. God only knows what else. Of course that doesn't mean everyone is doing such terrible stuff, but depending on where you are on the totem pole, it wouldn't even take that much to get you to cooperate. To give a rather specific example: If you were a media personality that in their spare time liked to visit SNCTM and engage in various degenerate acts and someone recorded it, would you want this to get out? Even a simple sex tape can lead to a massive scandal. If someone had a video of you probably cheating on your wife while doing some slightly too kinky poo poo, that would destroy your public image. Such people would have reason to support those who'd enable their lifestyle. Or rather be against those who would put a stop to it. Numerous situations like these exist at various levels to a varying degree. Connections form over the years. One person gets busted for something too massive to properly contain and the chain reaction becomes devastating. Once you create a big enough club filled with people who have a lot to lose if such stuff got out, would you want to let in people who could potentially spill the beans? How would you make sure that they'd have skin in the game? Blackmail is one answer. Threats are another, particularly effective if you control all the institutions. If they can or have to make one or two people take the fall, they will. Without Wikileaks, nobody would even think of looking into this because it's just one extraordinary claim after another. They know it and they even like to gloat in your face about it because they know - or rather thought they knew - you'd be too dumb to ever notice this. Dan Schneider is one example with his foot fetish. What about Jimmy Savile? Was everyone in the media and in the halls of power too dumb to notice his intense love for children for so many years? Even so, this all hinges on what you think about Pizzagate. Surprisingly enough, it's the debunking that has really made it take off because it was just so blatantly false. This is the particular aspect of this I'd like to focus on later. I have no opinion on Loose Change. However, after everything that has happened over the past 4-5 years, I can't help but be distrustful of every official story that has been fed to us regarding 9/11. But don't take it as endorsement of any theory floating out there. I merely have doubts.
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Blattdorf posted:Sex trafficking. Pedophilia. Torture. Endangering national security at such a level that they'd reinstate the firing squad exclusively for the offender. God only knows what else. And there's the spicy walnut sauce!
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Blattdorf posted:She doesn't have anything on him. If they truly had anything on him, it would have all ended a long, long time ago. They went to impeachment based on Trump wanting to find out what was going on with Ukraine and Biden. Biden admitted on tape to threatening Ukraine to get the prosecutor laid off who was investigating his son and Burisma or they wouldn't get any money - and they somehow turned Biden's actions into an impeachment proceeding against Trump. I can see why with no context you would draw the conclusion you did from that clip but you have it literally backwards, they were pressuring ukraine to fire a prosecutor who was not investigating burisma enough for everyone's liking, you can look up people discussing it at the time Biden is not a smart guy but he's not dumb enough to brag about getting a guy fired for investigating his son (unlike some people), he was openly bragging about it because it was what the whole US government wanted including Republicans because the guy he wanted fired was going easy on burisma Here is a snopes article about it but I mean really you can Google and find contemporaneous comments by Republicans calling for shokin to be fired back then also https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/c-span-video-joe-biden-ukraine/ Stefan Prodan fucked around with this message at 10:22 on Sep 21, 2020 |
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Sep 21, 2020 10:15
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:And there's the spicy walnut sauce! God I love to gently caress kids. I mean I enjoy a bit of walnut on my pizza haha close one I was almost made a mod or a high-ranking American politician.
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Sep 21, 2020 10:18
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We have cleverly secured our secret pizza recipes where no one would dare look for them: In the correspondence of powerful pedophiles.
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Well actually the walnut sauce was served with pasta, not pizza, which signifies an entirely different type of satanic ritual paedovore.
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Blattdorf, can you point to specific evidence in the Podesta emails for example that reveals some of the malevolent activities you’re talking about. I get the impression you are identifying a lot of suspicious Clinton behavior, but all of the details are basically asking the question “What is the absolute worst thing this shady behavior could possibly mean?” rather than “What is the most likely thing this shady behavior could mean?”
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And we get another layer deeper into the insanity, I can almost see the core now *puts red string between Killary and Mole Children*
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