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Brute Squad posted:The Dog becoming a cube and rolling away is still a great sight gag. https://i.imgur.com/ifQGDYc.mp4 I want a Totally Ordinary Dog, damnit. 
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nine-gear crow posted:Maybe I'm just misremembering things then. All's I know for certain was that JJ's all over the bonus features for Trek 09 going "What I really wanted to make was a Star Wars movie," and because 09 looks, feels, and sounds more like a Star Wars movie than a Trek movie, well, if it walks like a duck... I dunno. But you're right, that sentiment has became a sort widely accepted semi-true cultural fiction.
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Sep 22, 2020 08:06
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Payndz posted:A real-life case of Kirk Drift, ironically. It's like the Mandela Effect, but for nerds.
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Sep 22, 2020 08:15
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'Romulans go back in time to kill Spock' was the rumoured plot of a Star Trek film in development long before 09 started to shape up.
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Sep 22, 2020 09:01
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MikeJF posted:Johnson ended up causing the most problem in the overall arc, really - he had a vision for his film and executed it greatly, but at the cost that it was absolutely not what the second of three parts should be. The position of the plot and setup at the end of TLJ was something where honestly I think the best move would've been to declare it a quadrilogy, there's no way to satisfactorily wrap things up from there in one movie. I guess I can kinda understand that, I’m still just bitter at how every single bit of character development setup and left for expansion at the end of TLJ was completely cast aside in TROS. Poe maturing and taking more of a leadership role in the Resistance ala Leia? Nope, now he’s just Han 2.0. Finn finding a greater cause worth fighting for? Nope, now he’s just the comic relief sidekick again. Rey accepting that her past doesn’t determine her future? Nope, now she’s got an evil grandpa! Kylo, finally fully giving in to tragic evil and ultimate power after being rejected and abandoned? Nope, now he’s got two new bosses in the first five minutes and his entire characterization is basically back to TFA square 1. And that’s without even getting into how JJ and Terrio completely ignored the existence of a major character (who also could have played a huge role in actually giving Finn something to do!) in favor of *checks notes* two lines of dialogue from Dominique Monaghan. Or how they couldn’t even be bothered to give Rey a new saber until the last 60 seconds of the trilogy despite Johnson literally handing them an excuse to do so at the end of TLJ. Nope, just slap some tape on the Luke saber and call it a day! Oh, and include some nasty meta poo poo about Rey somehow not feeling worthy to use it just for good measure. gently caress TROS, goddamn. What a worthless pile of poo poo slap in the face to just about every sect of Star Wars fandom. It’s almost impressive in how borderline insulting it is. Astroman posted:Hypothesis: JJ is the modern Gene Roddenberry. Nah. For better or worse, JJ lacks all of Gene’s weird sex poo poo that snuck into his later stuff and all of his dated 80’s New Age humanism. JJ is the poor man’s Spielberg, mostly because that’s who he explicitly tries to emulate. And he’s not that far off, it’s just that Spielberg almost always collaborates with much better writers than JJ.
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Sep 22, 2020 09:46
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Hey Spock I want you to meet my friend Sckop, from the planet Hephaestus
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Sep 22, 2020 11:59
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The main problem with JJ is that studio executives seem way too willing to believe that he has a really good plan for all the stuff he's setting up. Someone needs to be willing to say "hey man either put up or shut up because it'd really be nice to know where this is going before we film it" And it's weird because even by his own admission he seems to not really bother having a plan. So I'm not sure why it's so hard for someone else to steer it in the right direction.
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Sep 22, 2020 12:49
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Oh this is amazing. Someone on FB is selling this for $450. Apparently it’s super rare, especially in this condition. I wasn’t even aware of its existence, but it’s kind of a no-brainer considering the Defiant’s shape. I love the random pictures on the right of the box’s back. Car! Woman in the sea! And here’s you sitting at your desk, nerd.   
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Sep 22, 2020 13:05
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Combo that with a Ent-D that plays records and a Voyager Ipod and I'm on board.
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Sep 22, 2020 13:08
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Mike from RLM said in his YouTube ST09 review that JJ would be more suited to directing Star Wars. Nerds loved this argument and when it ended up happening they created a head canon around it all. I wonder if that's how religion is made...
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Sep 22, 2020 13:31
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thotsky posted:Mike from RLM said in his YouTube ST09 review that JJ would be more suited to directing Star Wars. Nerds loved this argument and when it ended up happening they created a head canon around it all. Why would you use this as the basis of your weird judgement and not the statement JJ himself made?
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Sep 22, 2020 13:48
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TOS- That Which Survives- A mostly forgettable episode. It does have some actual tension with Scotty having to try and stop the ship from blowing up when the matter/antimatter regulation gets fused. The main problem here is that the primary threat of the episode is a woman touching people on the shoulder. I get that they explain that she is part of an automatic defense system and she is disrupting people’s cells when she makes contact with them, but it’s extremely goofy. The best parts of the episode are where she is not on screen and the action is back on the ship. We get an info dump about what happened to the people who built the outpost on the planet but it’s right before the credits, and it would have been nice if they spent more time talking about them. Instead we get about 5-6 scenes of Kirk/McCoy/Sulu doing ‘keep-away’ to prevent being touched by the woman.
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Sep 22, 2020 14:25
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DS9 - The Passenger: A dying bad guy does a not-Vulcan katra thing on Bashir and makes him continue his evil scheme. I knew I remembered hearing something about his original performance being so bad/weird that they overdubbed it; wasn't sure if it was this episode or the one with Dax's personalities. To their credit, I still couldn't tell there was dubbing even though I looked for it, and I'm usually pretty good at that. The line reads were still pretty laughable though. Also you can totally tell it's Bashir in a scene where he's still supposed to be hiding in the shadows: it sounds like him, it's obviously not the woman (the other most likely suspect), and you even actually briefly see him. It's still a pretty enjoyable episode though. Season 1 DS9 is basically right around season 6-7 TNG quality. It's not amazing, but it's really pretty good. I would even say this same plot would probably have been a lot more boring on TNG. Up next: Allamaraine!
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Sep 22, 2020 15:07
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socialsecurity posted:Why would you use this as the basis of your weird judgement and not the statement JJ himself made? Goons get weird about RLM. Everything they don’t like is their fault. I also don’t think JJs movies make sense as a Star Wars thing. They are paced more like a Star Wars movie buy that is like it
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Sep 22, 2020 15:12
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CharlestheHammer posted:Goons get weird about RLM. Everything they don’t like is their fault. Yeah, JJ's point was that he liked the pace of the Star Wars films more than that of the Star Trek films and wanted to bring a bit of that to Star Trek, which was absolutely a right call to make a film that would make money in 2009.
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Sep 22, 2020 15:19
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It's more than pacing, Star Trek '09 is mostly just all the same story beats as Star Wars 1.
Drink-Mix Man fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Sep 22, 2020 |
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Sep 22, 2020 16:27
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I absolutely remember JJ on the ST09 blu ray saying he wanted to make star wars and liked it more than Star Trek
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Sep 22, 2020 16:42
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The_Doctor posted:Oh this is amazing. Someone on FB is selling this for $450. Apparently it’s super rare, especially in this condition. I wasn’t even aware of its existence, but it’s kind of a no-brainer considering the Defiant’s shape. I love the random pictures on the right of the box’s back. Car! Woman in the sea! And here’s you sitting at your desk, nerd. This was offered as part of a promo with the DS9 S6 / Voyager S4 VHS releases in the UK - if you got all 26 tapes (so costing about £260 in 1998) then you could send the coupons within and get a Defiant discman (more than likely for a nominal charge). I'm genuinely curious how many people sent off for this, and if they had either a huge number of unclaimed CD players or insufficient stock?
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Sep 22, 2020 17:21
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Zaroff posted:This was offered as part of a promo with the DS9 S6 / Voyager S4 VHS releases in the UK - if you got all 26 tapes (so costing about £260 in 1998) then you could send the coupons within and get a Defiant discman (more than likely for a nominal charge). I hope they got turned into dental equipment like the Atari Jaguar
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Sep 22, 2020 17:53
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Vaguely Star Trek related--and Star Wars related too!--but Patrick Stewart and Mark Hamill did a bunch of Uber Eats commercials together, and while Uber is a massive abusive, predatory piece of poo poo company that you shouldn't give money, these ads are loving hilarious https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jtkuAVLdtA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkzLXZtu_Xw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2cSBtSdcE0
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Sep 22, 2020 21:15
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Timby posted:There is no way on God's green Earth that Mission: Impossible III is worse than M:I 2, the movie whose director had to be fired out of the editing room because his cut was incomprehensible. It's easily the dumbest of a set of movies that are pretty dumb. Don't get into espionage unless you can stand getting betrayed and disavowed on literally every mission.
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Sep 22, 2020 21:28
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Timby posted:There is no way on God's green Earth that Mission: Impossible III is worse than M:I 2, the movie whose director had to be fired out of the editing room because his cut was incomprehensible. Mission: Impossible 2 was one of those movies where I saw through the whole thing exactly once in a theater and I could not remember a drat thing about what happened in it aside from that stupid motorcycle joust climax that was in the trailer for it. I wanted to say that there was a reason why the MI film franchise went stone cold dead for like a decade before JJ fished it out of the water... but actually that just seems to be the way the franchise goes where there's like 5-6 years of dead air between films on average, so I guess it didn't really dent things as much as I thought it did. Huh.
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Sep 22, 2020 21:35
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MI3 was the one where it came out that Tom Cruise hated psychiatry and antidepressants, and since then they've kept a lid on his personal feelings about anything even as he's apparently become the leader of scientology, or close to it.
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Sep 22, 2020 21:44
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nine-gear crow posted:You should track down Spock vs Q, and Spock vs Q: The Sequel. Listened to both of these while unpacking today and they indeed totally own
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Sep 22, 2020 21:55
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man a whole lot of problems coulda been prevented across tng if picard said "warp 9" every time he needed to be somewhere instead of like, warp 4 or 5 or whatever help our ship is blowing up in five minutes ensign, warp...5 i like that in ds9 they just say "maximum warp" like 60% of the time. youre in space theres no highway you can go literally as fast as youre capable
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Sep 22, 2020 23:08
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“Sir, the we’re about to experience a warp core breach!” “Ensign, warp 9!” “What”
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Sep 22, 2020 23:10
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HD DAD posted:“Sir, the we’re about to experience a warp core breach!” *ship pieces end up in 48 different planetary systems*
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Sep 22, 2020 23:12
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Verviticus posted:man a whole lot of problems coulda been prevented across tng if picard said "warp 9" every time he needed to be somewhere instead of like, warp 4 or 5 or whatever I assume you're talking about before the awkwardly done climate change episode where they imposed a warp speed limit. I did admire how they actually did a pretty good job sticking to it afterward.
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Sep 22, 2020 23:43
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Sir Lemming posted:The main problem with JJ is that studio executives seem way too willing to believe that he has a really good plan for all the stuff he's setting up. Someone needs to be willing to say "hey man either put up or shut up because it'd really be nice to know where this is going before we film it" So you're saying modern Star Wars is like Moffat era Doctor Who? Because that would explain why all the hardcore fans hate it and all the characters and plots and settings and stories and yet continue to watch every
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Sep 23, 2020 00:08
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I mean that’s not entirely fair as Abrams directed two of the three movies and it’s clear the second movie wanted to do its own thing.
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Sep 23, 2020 00:37
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Astroman posted:Hypothesis: JJ is the modern Gene Roddenberry. Nah, he's definitely Irwin Allen. But a reverse version where stuff like Fringe got better with less JJ/Orci/Kurtzman influence through time.
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Sep 23, 2020 00:44
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Verviticus posted:man a whole lot of problems coulda been prevented across tng if picard said "warp 9" every time he needed to be somewhere instead of like, warp 4 or 5 or whatever Space Climate Change.
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Sep 23, 2020 00:50
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Astroman posted:Hypothesis: JJ is the modern Gene Roddenberry. I dunno, it seems to me like Gene Roddenberry genuinely had some weird ideas rattling around in his head that for whatever reason he wanted to get out there, whereas JJ Abrams seems pretty satisfied with just kinda putting a couple spins on a thing and calling it a day, and not that bothered about expressing something. I bet even if he takes a bunch of drugs in his old age, he'd still be happy to not stick weird crazy ideas into everything he does and still try playing the whole mystery box trick. Sir Lemming posted:The main problem with JJ is that studio executives seem way too willing to believe that he has a really good plan for all the stuff he's setting up. Someone needs to be willing to say "hey man either put up or shut up because it'd really be nice to know where this is going before we film it" I feel like however pitching to executives works, they probably don't worry much about the end as much as they do the beginning. I don't even know if executives particularly see JJ Abrams not sticking the landing as much of a problem, because whatever pitches well probably also makes for good enough trailers to still count as successful. If they wanted to deal with weird creatives who would take things in a weird new direction instead of rehashing old elements, they wouldn't be pouring money into old franchises in the first place.
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Sep 23, 2020 01:01
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Sir Lemming posted:I assume you're talking about before the awkwardly done climate change episode where they imposed a warp speed limit. I did admire how they actually did a pretty good job sticking to it afterward. That's the beauty of saying "Maximum warp" it could be maximum you are capable of, it could be maximum legal! Up to interpretation
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Sep 23, 2020 02:21
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Sir Lemming posted:I assume you're talking about before the awkwardly done climate change episode where they imposed a warp speed limit. I did admire how they actually did a pretty good job sticking to it afterward. If only speeding in real life was that exciting.
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Sep 23, 2020 02:46
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John Wick of Dogs posted:That's the beauty of saying "Maximum warp" it could be maximum you are capable of, it could be maximum legal! Up to interpretation Honestly instead of being all 'warp 8' or 'warp 6' all the time they should've just been like 'cruising speed' and 'maximum warp' and 'flank speed' and stuff.
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Sep 23, 2020 03:04
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"Maximum warp" really does meant at least three different things based on the way Trek measures speeds. It's really closer to saying "best possible speed" and leaving it to the context of the situation.
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Sep 23, 2020 03:08
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It means make the ship go so fast you turn into Zefram Cochrane
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I was watching a late Season 3 TOS episode the other day and I swear they talk about going at Warp 14 at one point
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Timby posted:There is no way on God's green Earth that Mission: Impossible III is worse than M:I 2, the movie whose director had to be fired out of the editing room because his cut was incomprehensible. I know y'all aren't talking poo poo about heroic bloodshed action movie LEGEND John Woo!
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