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Austro-Hungarians got revealed https://twitter.com/humankindgame/status/1305899258269380609?s=19
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Gavrilo princip hero unit when
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Sep 15, 2020 21:15
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He certainly got poo poo done.
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Sep 15, 2020 22:11
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Southpaugh posted:Gavrilo princip hero unit when Kill the Hapsburgs and topple their thrones.
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Sep 15, 2020 22:32
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Will you play as the Black Hand in the Modern Era?
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Sep 16, 2020 01:37
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Seems like every level has an odd choice of civilization or two, but that just leaves the obvious ones they skipped as DLC bait.
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Sep 16, 2020 01:59
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Is industrial era the last era in this game? Or is there another batch civs after this?
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Sep 16, 2020 08:15
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There's the Contemporary era, which is meant to correspond to the postWWII period. I believe they've mentioned the PRC as a Contemporary civ.
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Sep 16, 2020 09:07
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That's interesting- assigning units etc to present-day civs is going to be contentious.
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Sep 16, 2020 09:54
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I wish a Civ-like game would go beyond the present era and have one future time period. The old Call to Power games, for all their faults, did this well until you built an AI wonder that then rebelled and took over half your cities
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u brexit ukip it posted:I wish a Civ-like game would go beyond the present era and have one future time period. The old Call to Power games, for all their faults, did this well until you built an AI wonder that then rebelled and took over half your cities Beyond Earth. 
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Sep 16, 2020 12:09
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u brexit ukip it posted:I wish a Civ-like game would go beyond the present era and have one future time period. The old Call to Power games, for all their faults, did this well until you built an AI wonder that then rebelled and took over half your cities Civ literally does this. The Giant Death Robot is a thing.
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Sep 16, 2020 16:18
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Cythereal posted:Beyond Earth. I remember Civ 2 Test of Time had an Extended Campaign, where if you sent a spaceship to alpha centauri you got access to a new map you could travel back and forth between the two and fight aliens and stuff.
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Sep 16, 2020 16:45
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Rimusutera posted:Civ literally does this. The Giant Death Robot is a thing. Wellllll yeah but it's not really a fleshed out Era. (ok, it is a bit in Civ 6) Vanilla Civ 5 did briefly have a Future Era before the expansions did away with it. It had particle physics, nanotech and nuclear fusion (and the mysterious "future tech" of course). They unlock the GDR as you say, and the Xcom squad, and some spaceship parts. Civ 6 brings it back and fleshes it out a bit but not much. I haven't played it so can't be sure, but I looked it up and in addition to some GDR upgrades and spaceship parts as usual, you also get projects to speed up science victory and a couple tile improvements. The era just accelerates victories, but I guess it has to because a victory is expected to come around that time anyway. It would be nice, I think, if the expected time of the victories was pushed back a bit, so that games inevitably spend a decent amount of time in the future era. And then have that era fleshed out a lot more (with a similar number of techs, units, buildings etc as previous eras), based on techs that a little more grounded and kinda just on the horizon. (then again, stretching out what are already incredibly long games might be rather unpopular!)
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Sep 16, 2020 16:47
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Wellllll yeah but it's not really a fleshed out Era. (ok, it is a bit in Civ 6) I'm not opposed to a future era (and in fact really liked the civ4 mod that came with BTS that added just that!), but what is the point of implementing it? Most games of civ start in the ancient era and are basically won by the medieval period. Eras after that are either a victory lap or just a march towards the inevitable. It just feels like a waste of resources.
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Sep 16, 2020 17:21
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That's probably how the Civs devs see it as well. Not much point fleshing out (and balancing!) an era that barely any players actually reach.
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u brexit ukip it posted:I wish a Civ-like game would go beyond the present era and have one future time period. The old Call to Power games, for all their faults, did this well until you built an AI wonder that then rebelled and took over half your cities Call To Power II also had a lawyer unit for stealing money from opposing cities. It was insanely 90s. I'm kinda shocked firaxis never went to public works, it seems way more elegant than worker units but i guess they didn't want to introduce a hammer tax system.
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Sep 16, 2020 17:39
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https://twitter.com/humankindgame/status/1308436235220922376?s=20 Don't know exactly what all of this does yet, but seems dull.
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Sep 22, 2020 21:41
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British Empire... without naval bonuses? Da gently caress?
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Sep 22, 2020 21:43
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Cythereal posted:British Empire... without naval bonuses? Da gently caress? Navy stuff can be a bit of a balance nightmare (IE: If there's no water on the map, or tons of it) so maybe they decided to just go with land units for the cultures.
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Sep 22, 2020 22:24
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The water expansion for Endless Legend was really good, so hopefully they can come up with something for Humankind.
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Sep 22, 2020 22:31
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Gort posted:Navy stuff can be a bit of a balance nightmare (IE: If there's no water on the map, or tons of it) so maybe they decided to just go with land units for the cultures. Phoenicians, Norse, and Dutch have all been shown with unique naval units so far. Carthaginians have a unique harbor but no naval unit. It looks like they're doing one naval civ per era, and for some reason the British aren't it for the Industrial Era. Cythereal fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Sep 22, 2020 |
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Sep 22, 2020 22:38
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Cythereal posted:British Empire... without naval bonuses? Da gently caress? We don't know the culture's legacy bonus or what the Colonial Office actually does. Regardless I'd have been a big fan of their unit being a Dreadnaught or some type of key Frigate. Redcoats are stupid, at least do Highlanders or something.
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Rimusutera posted:We don't know the culture's legacy bonus or what the Colonial Office actually does. Regardless I'd have been a big fan of their unit being a Dreadnaught or some type of key Frigate. Redcoats are stupid, at least do Highlanders or something. If they are doing one naval civ per era as the pattern has been so far, maybe the United States with a Monitor as the unique unit?
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Sep 23, 2020 01:20
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Cythereal posted:If they are doing one naval civ per era as the pattern has been so far, maybe the United States with a Monitor as the unique unit? Leaks indicate America is a Contemporary culture and Germany shows up in Industrial and probably with Uboats. I'm as flabbergasted as you probably are.
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Sep 23, 2020 01:22
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Rimusutera posted:Leaks indicate America is a Contemporary culture and Germany shows up in Industrial and probably with Uboats. Glorifying Germany from the first half of the 20th century wouldn't be my choice, no. If I were to represent Germany in a 4X like this, I'd probably go for Germany as a Contemporary civilization focused on industry and diplomacy. That's something I thought CBE nailed when it added INTEGR: the German faction is characterized as a liberal, secular, diplomatic group focused on trade and diplomacy with a peaceful AI. Though America as the naval civ in the Contemporary Era would be a natural choice, with a Supercarrier or SSN as obvious units. Cythereal fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Sep 23, 2020 |
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Sep 23, 2020 01:28
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Its a 4X game so doing Kaiser-era Imperial Germany isn't particularly ethically debatable anymore than... well, the British, so I'm not against in on principle. They seem to be skipping over a direct focus on WW2 to some extent. The office maps that everyone's been dissecting on the Amplitude Discord indicates that the only Contemporary era European culture we might see is the Soviets. Which will be neat. Britain being the land based EU versus Germans getting submarines is gonna be weird though. When I think the British Empire I think Naval Hegemony. My grip so far with the current line up is we have Medieval Germany already so I'd rather they slip in another African culture in the Industrial period instead of both Germany and Austria-Hungary, and honestly if they cut Germany to DLC to keep the latter I'd actually prefer that. Rimusutera fucked around with this message at 02:21 on Sep 23, 2020 |
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Sep 23, 2020 01:35
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I like this approach for Britain. I mean, I don't think Britain's ships were necessarily different to that of any other European great power. They just had a lot of them, and were really committed to using them well. But their colonial administration was something pretty unique- there are a whole lot of countries across the planet today whose external and internal borders were decided by various British folks drawing lines on maps a few centuries back. (On that note, my own state takes its name from a Yorkshireman deciding that a landscape of saltbush, golden beaches and ancient forests filled with parrots and large marsupials looked an awful lot like Wales. South Wales, in fact!)
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I sort've have mixed feelings maybe, and can see where you're coming from, but without knowing the actual meat of it I'm left underwhelmed with whether this'll encourage the sort've gameplay I would want to expect aiming for encourages or is encouraged by picking the British as a culture. There was a lot of discussion in other communities following this about the Mongols along similar lines, what parts of the centuries of successive Mongol successor Empires should be emphasized over the horse archers and yurts. Yet besides this being fairly inoffensive to Mongolians in the first place, its also that taking that approach takes away the process of creating those empires or alternate versions that this game seems to be about. Emphasizing the Mongols as they were on the eve of Genghis' conquests lets you have that freedom of creation based on who else you conquer and what culture you subsequently transform to rather than just handing those things to you prepackaged. Without knowing what hooks are there with these sets of abilities that really pull you to be a maritime culture, it feels too much just like I'm a picking a generic empire. Maybe I'll be wrong about this, but if I contrast this to the Dutch, the Venetians or the Carthaginians I can tell right away that I want to be a seafaring people or aim to be a seafaring people when I pick them. Rimusutera fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Sep 23, 2020 |
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Rimusutera posted:I'd rather they slip in another African culture in the Industrial period instead of both Germany and Austria-Hungary The monkey's paw curls as a tweet goes out "Will you play as the Boers in the Industrial Era? 🤔" I think Ethiopia, Zulu, Zanzibar, or Barbary would be good African candidates for the industrial era. Barbary would also be naval!
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Sep 23, 2020 03:13
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Zulu and Ethiopia are likely, but I was hoping the Ashanti could get in.
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Sep 23, 2020 03:25
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Tree Bucket posted:I like this approach for Britain. I mean, I don't think Britain's ships were necessarily different to that of any other European great power Well, HMS Dreadnought made every other battleship in existence obsolete overnight, that probably counts.
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Gort posted:Well, HMS Dreadnought made every other battleship in existence obsolete overnight, that probably counts. Fair enough! Does Humanity have everything from redcoats to dreadnoughts in the one era? Civ6 seperates them, I think
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Yeah the Industrial Era for the game covers the 18th century through and into what would be considered WW1 Era tech and stuff. Emblematic Units don't need to be strictly unique, just representative of the culture and imho the British Navy is what I think of regarding Britain militarily in this period. When I think of France, I think dominance on land even if they also were solid rivals at sea too. Readcoat EU just sucks rear end because, like the Spanish Conquistador being a broad category of "dudes who went and conquered places" reduced to musket guy, its just something regarding the colour of British uniforms but being shoehorned into being a... line infantry? What about Redcoat Dragoons or Naval Officers? If I seem whiny these just stand out as my least favourite designs so far, but most everything is really good regardless and I'm still excited. If their actual abilities tied to their quarter and legacy trait actually encourage maritime stuff I'll be somewhat satisfied, but unlike a lot of the Ancient and Classical cultures we havent see the details for the more recent cultural reveals yet. Rimusutera fucked around with this message at 15:34 on Sep 23, 2020 |
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Rimusutera posted:I sort've have mixed feelings maybe, and can see where you're coming from, but without knowing the actual meat of it I'm left underwhelmed with whether this'll encourage the sort've gameplay I would want to expect aiming for encourages or is encouraged by picking the British as a culture. If I had to guess, Humankind will bring over the continents/region system from Endless Legend, and Redcoats will have bonus strength when in a continent/region you don't own, likewise the Colonial Office will get bonuses relating to trading with different continents/regions. Emphasizing Britain as a global power that wants to be fighting and trading away from home. Which is all fine, but at the same time the Royal Navy is kind of what made all of that possible and was one of the defining parts of the British Empire.
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The regions system from Legends is in and, from what the Open Dev scenarios have shown, you can establish Outposts in other territories to claim them but which aren't full fledge cities, then attach those territories to the administration of one of your actual cities, with you able to keep them like this or upgrade them into full cities later. Optimizing this is related to various civics and administrator points you can assign to get the right yields you want from how your empire is organized, either lots of territories attached to a few cities or lots of cities or somewhere inbetween so on and so forth. I suspect the Colonial Office thing will have to do with this sort've management system and hopefully tie it to overseas qualifiers. The Roman's revealed ability, and they're also Expansionist trait like the British, has something to do with extra General Cap for administering your armies so perhaps the British ability will be similar but with admirals & fleets. Rimusutera fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Sep 23, 2020 |
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Tree Bucket posted:I like this approach for Britain. I mean, I don't think Britain's ships were necessarily different to that of any other European great power. They just had a lot of them, and were really committed to using them well. But their colonial administration was something pretty unique- there are a whole lot of countries across the planet today whose external and internal borders were decided by various British folks drawing lines on maps a few centuries back. I'm with you on this. I feel like 'Industrial Era' is generally hitting up the 19th century, and there wasn't too much readily distinctive about the UK navy in that era. Britain was a naval powerhouse, but I don't even think there was a single major naval engagement post Napoleonic Wars - which come before the Industrial Era anyway. Most of the emblematic conflicts of the industrial era in the UK were a bunch of redcoats around the world, and to be fair they are pretty instantly recognisable. Of course, I'd just as readily take pith helmeted explorer, some mutton chopped engineer-y type, Florence Nightingale nurse-y type thing. But I don't really know how diverse the unit categories are. I don't keep full tabs, but I only really remember soldiers, ships and spies so far.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/GrandAllianceEN/status/1308843605885440002 That's weird. I thought this game was based on historical events.
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Det_no posted:That's weird. I thought this game was based on historical events. No, you're getting it confused with ES2. That's clearly a Riftborn icon next to the words "rate up."
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