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I'm glad the Beltway Garage went after Bloodbath McGrath. Why do the Party grandees keep running spooks and troops? Does it actually matter to anybody outside of NoVA? Are there any examples of them winning over Republicans with this bullshit?
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Sep 23, 2020 20:51
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Halloween Jack posted:I'm glad the Beltway Garage went after Bloodbath McGrath. Stupidity mostly. They thought triangulation was the way forward after Clinton won with only 43 percent of the vote, lost Congress for the first time in half a century, and was re-elected in the lowest turnout presidential election in 70 years in which he still failed to get a majority of the votes.
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Sep 23, 2020 20:58
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And the Third Way bullshit was concocted in the wake of the Dems getting destroyed by Reagan in the 80s What they took away from Reagan was not that they needed better candidates or whatever, it was ‘let’s just do what the GOP does’
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Sep 23, 2020 21:00
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Might not be as much about electability as it is about loyalty.
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Sep 23, 2020 21:02
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The Third Way bullshit is a bigger and more comprehensive problem; the Party specifically wants veterans. It's one of the criteria to be a Rahm Emanual approved DCCC candidate. Are there any examples of liberal GI Joe defeating a popular incumbent Republican? Like, Jim Webb beat George Allen by a third of 1% because Allen used an obscure racial slur in public, that's not exactly a proof of concept.
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Sep 23, 2020 21:05
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It's a form of triangulation - the military is generally Republican so if you run a troop you can win over Republicans.
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Sep 23, 2020 21:10
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Halloween Jack posted:The Third Way bullshit is a bigger and more comprehensive problem; the Party specifically wants veterans. It's one of the criteria to be a Rahm Emanual approved DCCC candidate.
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Sep 23, 2020 21:29
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Halloween Jack posted:The Third Way bullshit is a bigger and more comprehensive problem; the Party specifically wants veterans. It's one of the criteria to be a Rahm Emanual approved DCCC candidate. Mitch McConnell isn't popular. McGrath is just a big loving nothing.
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Sep 23, 2020 21:37
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FlamingLiberal posted:And the Third Way bullshit was concocted in the wake of the Dems getting destroyed by Reagan in the 80s A big part of it is that the destruction of the American labor movement seriously hurt the party's finances, and they felt they had no choice but to go corporate to survive. Especially following the disintegration of the left during the 70s.
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Sep 23, 2020 21:48
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Halloween Jack posted:Are there any examples of liberal GI Joe defeating a popular incumbent Republican? Like, Jim Webb beat George Allen by a third of 1% because Allen used an obscure racial slur in public, that's not exactly a proof of concept. Tammy Duckworth?
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Sep 23, 2020 21:49
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Nothus posted:Tammy Duckworth? didn't she mainly win because the guy she was against was such a sociopath freak he straight up mocked her for being disabled or something, or am I thinking of another race.
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Sep 23, 2020 21:51
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Yeah Mark Kirk was extremely not popular
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Sep 23, 2020 21:53
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I seem to remember her being the only instance of pulling the troop card actually working because her opponent stupidly tried to call her an illegal immigrant.
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Sep 23, 2020 21:53
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I'm actually pretty confused about McConnell's standing among Republican voters. I mean, they have every reason to hate him; he's an extremely effective legislator but not in ways that benefit them. But these are Republican voters we're talking about; they're not class-conscious unless they're rich enough to actually benefit from McConnell's policies. Liberals call him Trump's enabler, Republicans seem to hate him for...not supporting Trump enough? I really don't know.
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Sep 23, 2020 21:54
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Yeah the popular Republicans don't lose and probably wouldn't even if you had an amazing candidate with whatever messages you think would actually work (might build receptivity for the future though, to push a message etc. even if you lose). To me it's more frustrating when the party pushes a neoliberal empty suit in a place that elects democrats, or that Pelosi reps California's 12th district, etc. Once fundraising becomes the end-all ostensibly "political" outfits are indistinguishable from corporations.
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Sep 23, 2020 21:59
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People can sense that he's a repellant worm just from the way he talks and acts, even if they can't articulate why exactly.
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People hate Mitch but he’s probably the most effective legislator of the last 10-15 years and everyone sees him playing ball on a different level, is my read
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Halloween Jack posted:I'm actually pretty confused about McConnell's standing among Republican voters. I mean, they have every reason to hate him; he's an extremely effective legislator but not in ways that benefit them. But these are Republican voters we're talking about; they're not class-conscious unless they're rich enough to actually benefit from McConnell's policies. Liberals call him Trump's enabler, Republicans seem to hate him for...not supporting Trump enough? I really don't know. he brings home a ton of earmarks and slaps his name on every project and kentucky would basically get nothing if he were out of office
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Sep 23, 2020 22:10
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he also makes libs mad which is the only thing that matters
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Sep 23, 2020 22:15
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Groovelord Neato posted:It's a form of triangulation - the military is generally Republican so if you run a troop you can win over Republicans. Republicans want a strong man to lick the boots of and Democratic veteran candidates just babble on about duty, service, and honor.
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Sep 23, 2020 22:35
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You cannot run on a platform of “I’m a conservative that isn’t nightmarishly, ghoulishly evil” because that’s not what conservatives want or care about.
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Sep 23, 2020 22:36
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McConnell is the least popular senator in the country.
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Sep 23, 2020 22:43
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Groovelord Neato posted:McConnell is the least popular senator in the country. OK but how to people from Kentucky feel about it?
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Sep 23, 2020 22:44
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Nothus posted:A big part of it is that the destruction of the American labor movement seriously hurt the party's finances, and they felt they had no choice but to go corporate to survive. Especially following the disintegration of the left during the 70s. taft-hartley hosed the dems more than anything as far as labor contributions goes, but it wasn't the decline in union membership so much as it was the afl-cio under george meany splitting with other unions over vietnam and to a lesser extent the civil rights movement and refusing to endorse mcgovern in 68, plus the collective freakout among dems over losing to nixon twice
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Sep 23, 2020 22:50
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Dick Durbin is the second highest Democrat in the Senate, and has polled similarly to McConnell for longer. In September 2020, Durbin voted to confirm pro-life judges Stephen McGlynn and David Dugan to lifetime appointments to the federal judiciary in Illinois.
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Sep 23, 2020 22:51
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Phone posted:OK but how to people from Kentucky feel about it? I have never met a person from Kentucky who likes him. A few old people I know have changed to liking how much he pisses off the libs, but nobody likes him. In the 00’s their rationale was that without him we wouldn’t have any power in national politics. I don’t really know what it was like in the early-mid 90’s because I was 8 in ‘99.
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Sep 24, 2020 01:00
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Now the name iPod Touch makes so much more sense.
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Sep 24, 2020 01:09
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What's the deal with Beltway Garage? It seems intentionally succ in a way that the other episodes aren't. The analysis seems more earnest and non-abrasive as if they are playing characters?
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Sep 24, 2020 01:17
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crazy eyes mustafa posted:It seems intentionally succ What does this mean?
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crazy eyes mustafa posted:What's the deal with Beltway Garage? It seems intentionally succ in a way that the other episodes aren't. The analysis seems more earnest and non-abrasive as if they are playing characters? Cosmik Slop posted:Who caa-ares, we're all gonna die
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crazy eyes mustafa posted:What's the deal with Beltway Garage? It seems intentionally succ in a way that the other episodes aren't. The analysis seems more earnest and non-abrasive as if they are playing characters? Beltway Garage is their honest, unironic political analysis.
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Sep 24, 2020 01:37
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Yeah It’s the one time they aren’t doing a bit
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crazy eyes mustafa posted:What's the deal with Beltway Garage? It seems intentionally succ in a way that the other episodes aren't. The analysis seems more earnest and non-abrasive as if they are playing characters? It's not a bit. They're genuine politics nerds.
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yeah, virgil non-ironically believes in the possibilities of electioneering. matt just likes to talk..my dude went on goku podcast and was the most low energy I've ever heard. absolutely hated the anime.
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Sep 24, 2020 02:30
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Gave up on the beltway garage after like 15 minutes, earnest wonkery is just loving exhausting
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I enjoy the beltway garage but it was also the first time this year I have truly internalized that I do not give a gently caress about the outcome of the election whatsoever. Which actually frees me to enjoy it even more.
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Also I wouldn't say their usual episodes are ironic and this one is unironic or whatever. Matt can put on the hat of "let's talk about possible outcomes of electoral politics" and also talk about the demiurge and constantly contradict himself without being wrong at all about any of it - because no one really knows the result or what's going to happen. It's mentally powerful to suspend all these different viewpoints in your head simultaneously, it gets you closer to the truth. Getting overly focused on wonkery or spiritualism or doomerism is a trap. Keep your mind agile like a bird and springy like a cheap mattress.
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