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I'm stoked to try out these changes. I browsed the notes, but I didn't see anything related to army management. Did they do anything to 1) Nerf teleporting professional armies all over the globe? This one has been great in helping me crush populist rebellions that occur over wide areas 2) Make it so raising just professional armies, or even some percentage of armies isn't hilariously awful? Raising armies is easy when you want all of your armies up and running. But the longer into the game you go, the less you need the 30k levies that cost twice as much as your professionals to keep raised. 3) The army movement interface in general is infuriating to use. Want to attack a province? Make sure to avoid right clicking the wrong thing otherwise you'll deselect your army. This goes double for when you want to split a large army up so it can recover from a bad supply situation. Doing that for a very large army is a nightmare.
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Was IRL inheritance really as goofy as how its portrayed in this game? Even with whats essentially an in game wiki it can be tough to track
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Sep 28, 2020 19:27
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Raise local + ctrl move and you'll only have your maa, it's not that complicated
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Sep 28, 2020 19:31
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eonwe posted:Was IRL inheritance really as goofy as how its portrayed in this game? Even with whats essentially an in game wiki it can be tough to track From what I know of IRL inheritances, CK3 is simplified.
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Sep 28, 2020 19:32
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Someone post the horrible HRE border gore map. Though I don't know if gavelkind really worked as such. The most famous example I can think of off the top of my head is Pepin and splitting his rule between his sons, though theoretically it was intended to be like an imperial succession with gavelkind in game, where they stay under the same banner. Obviously didn't happen but that was the intent. For smaller families were they really as split up as gavelkind would make them?
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Sep 28, 2020 19:34
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quote:- Informed the AI that if it has nothing else to do in a war, it might as well defend the wargoal That's the main thing I asked. I didn't see anything on the list of the disparate tribes bug stopping you from imprisoning people when neither of you are tribal.
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Sep 28, 2020 19:34
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If I’m emperor with four kingdom crowns and my non heirs are set to inherit just a king of Ireland and king of Wales crown respectively, how hosed are they in life? If that’s the only title they inherit, do they just live with me?
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Sep 28, 2020 19:37
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Did they fix that problem where when you suspect your spouse is cheating and investigate with the intrigue challenge you lose every time? I think it was because somewhere a less than was flipped the wrong way. Didn't see reference to that but maybe it was patched...
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Sep 28, 2020 19:38
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Azhais posted:Raise local + ctrl move and you'll only have your maa, it's not that complicated No, it's not. But it is poorly documented and badly explained. I didn't play CK2, so I have no idea about any of these shortcuts. Also the existence of this doesn't make army management any less awful.
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Sep 28, 2020 19:40
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Eimi posted:Someone post the horrible HRE border gore map. I don't know example of other countries, but as an example Poland basically exploded in the XII century for almost 200 years, as land was split up between various dukes and whatnot.
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Sep 28, 2020 19:43
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Are they fixing achievements?
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Sep 28, 2020 19:44
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AnEdgelord posted:Are they fixing achievements? That was in the notes, yes.
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Sep 28, 2020 19:45
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Dwesa posted:Good, this really seemed like cheating. Isn't the exploit abducting a ruler and then declaring war and winning immediately, rather than abducting someone during a war?
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Sep 28, 2020 19:47
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I've won a couple defensive wars I had no right to through abduction schemes. If your intrigue is high enough you can usually pull it off in around a year. You just gotta stay alive for that long.
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Sep 28, 2020 19:48
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eXXon posted:Isn't the exploit abducting a ruler and then declaring war and winning immediately, rather than abducting someone during a war? You declare war juuust before the abduction scheme finishes iirc
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Sep 28, 2020 19:50
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eXXon posted:Isn't the exploit abducting a ruler and then declaring war and winning immediately, rather than abducting someone during a war? You can’t declare war on a ruler you have in your prison, so it has to be after you’re already at war (so killed by the patch).
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Sep 28, 2020 19:59
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Yeah the trick was that you start the plan to abduct, then declare war just before it fires.
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Sep 28, 2020 20:04
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The idea behind the exploit is that you start the scheme and then declare war just before the final event captures the target, so presumably the fix is that "being at war" immediately imposes a really strong penalty on your success chance/scheme strength or something?
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Sep 28, 2020 20:06
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I get the reasons for nerfing it, but I still love the imagery of the Holy Roman Emperor reading a declaration of war from a vastly inferior county seconds before being whisked away by ninjas.
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Sep 28, 2020 20:18
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I am not of especially clear mind at the moment, but this is a riddle that has been wooping my brain's rear end for 15 minutes. please explain to me all of the chains of incest that occurred here. you banged your own mother-sister, who herself was banged by her own brother-father, who is in fact, your father? i tried to map it out in MSPaint to help me visualize it, and boy, I'm gonna just pretend those scribbles and loop-de-loops and interconnected circles just didn't happen
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Sep 28, 2020 20:24
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Trevor Hale posted:If I’m emperor with four kingdom crowns and my non heirs are set to inherit just a king of Ireland and king of Wales crown respectively, how hosed are they in life? If that’s the only title they inherit, do they just live with me? They will displace the count of the de jure capital. Sucks for that guy.
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Sep 28, 2020 20:26
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Aye Doc posted:I am not of especially clear mind at the moment, but this is a riddle that has been wooping my brain's rear end for 15 minutes. please explain to me all of the chains of incest that occurred here. you banged your own mother-sister, who herself was banged by her own brother-father, who is in fact, your father? i tried to map it out in MSPaint to help me visualize it, and boy, I'm gonna just pretend those scribbles and loop-de-loops and interconnected circles just didn't happen This would be the result of banging your mother (yields son of course, and half brother because he shares the same mother as you but not the same father). And requires that your mother is also your aunt (i.e. was your dad's sister).
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Sep 28, 2020 20:32
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OctaMurk posted:Is there a way to see what the exact sources of my renown, prestige and piety gain are? E.g. you have say 5 renown gain and click it and it says "sources: 2x independent kings, 70 dynasty members, 4 barons" etc If you hover over the renown part of the toolbar it will give you that exact list. If you want to see what exact characters are providing it, open the character finder, filter by your dynasty and sort by rank. It's not exact because I don't think there's a way to filter by liege dynasty or independence, but you'll get close enough.
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Sep 28, 2020 20:33
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Ice Fist posted:No, it's not. But it is poorly documented and badly explained. I didn't play CK2, so I have no idea about any of these shortcuts. Also the existence of this doesn't make army management any less awful. It's not a thing in ck2 afaik, it was just one of the loading screen tips I think
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Sep 28, 2020 20:39
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Orcs and Ostriches posted:From what I know of IRL inheritances, CK3 is simplified. Yeah I forget if it was this thread that mentioned it but didn't William the Conqueror basically do a Chaos Partition of the realm down to what in this game would be barony-level or even smaller to prevent a powerful succession faction lol
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Sep 28, 2020 20:50
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eXXon posted:Isn't the exploit abducting a ruler and then declaring war and winning immediately, rather than abducting someone during a war? Ice Fist posted:You declare war juuust before the abduction scheme finishes iirc The Cheshire Cat posted:Yeah the trick was that you start the plan to abduct, then declare war just before it fires. Pff. Screw this “just before” thing — you declared war directly from the final decision screen where you were already given 95%/95% probabilities. One game tick later, the plot succeeded, you were at war, and you were staring at a second pause screen you could force demands from. There was literally no timing involved since the game handled everything for you. 
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Sep 28, 2020 20:56
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Zero One posted:
The game needs a class traitor trait.
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Sep 28, 2020 21:08
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It's sort of weird that peasant leaders start a noble house and dress in fancy clothes as soon as they rebel. If they win, sure, meet the new boss same as the old boss. But they should look like farmers until then.
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Sep 28, 2020 21:12
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Tippis posted:Pff. Screw this “just before” thing — you declared war directly from the final decision screen where you were already given 95%/95% probabilities. One game tick later, the plot succeeded, you were at war, and you were staring at a second pause screen you could force demands from. There was literally no timing involved since the game handled everything for you. FYI, those probabilities can change while the window is open. I tested this when making my own mod and testing "duel" effects, and using the console to add traits would dynamically change the odds while the window was open. So it may still be fixed. Magil Zeal fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Sep 28, 2020 |
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Sep 28, 2020 21:20
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OctaMurk posted:This would be the result of banging your mother (yields son of course, and half brother because he shares the same mother as you but not the same father). And requires that your mother is also your aunt (i.e. was your dad's sister). thanks!
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Sep 28, 2020 21:30
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megane posted:It's sort of weird that peasant leaders start a noble house and dress in fancy clothes as soon as they rebel. If they win, sure, meet the new boss same as the old boss. But they should look like farmers until then. Me reading this and agreeing means they are going to make SO much money from clothing packs.
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Sep 28, 2020 21:34
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I'm enjoying my game. I'm going slow, expanding here and there. Joining crusades to have some fun. I make so much money ransoming people, it's awesome. Lately I've started letting kids get out of jail for free though (only when their parents can't afford the ransom of course), they look so sad otherwise. Also my son threw up on me during a feast.
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Sep 28, 2020 21:56
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Changes look great. Slightly disappointed that they aren't making female AI rulers more resistant to patrilineal marriage, but I get their point. I cannot overstate how great this game is. I thought it would take a few dlc before I stopped playing ck2 in favor of this, but I was very wrong. Aside from making cities and temples into their own map provinces (confusing and adds annoying micro), every change from ck2 is for the better. This game is so loving fun and I can't wait to see what it looks like with 5 years of content added. To the pdx people in here: thank you so goddamn much. Now go make an expansion so you can take more of my money.
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Sep 28, 2020 23:13
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BrainMeats posted:They will displace the count of the de jure capital. Sucks for that guy. Ooo interesting. Thank you!
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Sep 28, 2020 23:13
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The Little Kielbasa posted:To the pdx people in here: thank you so goddamn much. Now go make an expansion so you can take more of my money. Well, if you insist!
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Sep 28, 2020 23:23
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Hey so, anywhere in those patch notes is there anything about vassals who embrace a heresy, are forced back to my religion either through a demand or as part of a negotiated release from prison, and then immediately convert back to the heresy, and me not being allowed to demand their conversion again? Because this is crap. Maybe 1/4 of my vassals are converting, I'm demanding conversions, imprisoning the ones who refuse, and then they're going right back. And I can't demand conversion again.
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Sep 28, 2020 23:24
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Ice Fist posted:Hey so, anywhere in those patch notes is there anything about vassals who embrace a heresy, are forced back to my religion either through a demand or as part of a negotiated release from prison, and then immediately convert back to the heresy, and me not being allowed to demand their conversion again? Yes. “- Vassals who agree to a Conversion Demand during a heresy outbreak can no longer immediately re-convert to the heresy” How long “not immediately” lasts remains to be seen, but it should take the edge off of the really annoying flip-flops. There's also this, which should make vassals more helpful in dealing with the problem: “- The AI is now much more likely to demand the conversion of heretical vassals, if their refusal would result in them being marked as criminals. This should make the AI less likely to collapse to heresy.”
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Manage to claw my way back on top: Was playing as the emperor of Carpathia and had carved out a decent sized realm:  Since I was old and sick and going to die soon anyway I decide to invade the kingdom of Bulgaria to blob even further however in the middle of the war I die of old age and almost immediately afterwards the new emperor dies in battle against the Bulgarians and the title passes to his four year old daughter. Before I've even learned how to read populist rebellions, independence factions and a massive claimant faction from my uncle all fire off at once. I am forced to peace out of Bulgaria to try to deal with it and lose badly and concede. I spend the next decade or so collecting money and planning my revenge. Meanwhile my incompetent uncle loses every single war he fights losing chunks of the empire to pagan rebellions and border regions to foreign powers. Then once I'm ready I strike at Hungary, which has split itself off from the empire, and after a rough start since we're evenly matched in numbers I come out on top. Seeing that I am queen of Hungary my uncle decides to transfer all of the de jure vassals over to me without me even asking within a week of me taking the throne. He doesn't seem to realize that this gives me 430% of his military strength. I start a faction and immediadly push my claim and he folds like a camping chair. Now I just need to collect all the bits he lost and I should be good. I'm already part way there 
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Sep 28, 2020 23:44
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Tippis posted:Yes. Fantastic. It was annoying, but I managed to get everything under control with a little bit of murder and a little bit of war. I took a duchy away from one of them, but otherwise forced their heirs to return to my religion.
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Ice Fist posted:Hey so, anywhere in those patch notes is there anything about vassals who embrace a heresy, are forced back to my religion either through a demand or as part of a negotiated release from prison, and then immediately convert back to the heresy, and me not being allowed to demand their conversion again? It probably doesn't matter now that the patch is immenent, but if you wait a few months and then demand that they convert, they'll convert and stay converted.
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