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Delthalaz posted:It’s also terrible because it completely throws a wrench in the narrative they’ve been pushing that aggressively minimized Covid. We go from “covid’s over, everything’s normal” one day to “president in hospital from covid” the next. You can’t argue the president has done a good job with covid when he himself is loving hospitalized by it I mean this feels the bigger thing than him being out of commission. Most of the stuff Biden's been doing other than the debate has barley been mentioned by the media. Trump being out for a bit isn't the worst, it's that the reason he's out is literally just from his own stupidity. It's really hard to get around that, and as long as he's in hospital it's going to be really hard for the trump campaign to get the media to talk about anything else.
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Delthalaz posted:It’s also terrible because it completely throws a wrench in the narrative they’ve been pushing that aggressively minimized Covid. We go from “covid’s over, everything’s normal” one day to “president in hospital from covid” the next. You can’t argue the president has done a good job with covid when he himself is loving hospitalized by it I think this is huge. I live in one of the least affected states, it's been very responsible about things, especially in the smaller cities things do look fairly normal. This is a big loving reminder that things have not come back to normal at all, and the pandemic is absolutely not over.
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Oct 4, 2020 16:33
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It's hard for me to believe that THIS TIME people are like, what a rude bitch, when in 2016 they applauded what felt like the exact same behavior. So while I didnt think Trump won the debate I did generally agree that it would be at least a tie for the average voter even if the sound bites were much worse this time
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From a campaign standpoint 'covid outbreak cluster in the campaign staff, the candidate, and his key congressional supporters' is basically a worst possible worst case scenario with 4 weeks left to attempt to claw his way back from a deficit.The Chad Jihad posted:It's hard for me to believe that THIS TIME people are like, what a rude bitch, when in 2016 they applauded what felt like the exact same behavior. So while I didnt think Trump won the debate I did generally agree that it would be at least a tie for the average voter even if the sound bites were much worse this time Eh even the GOP has been calling it a historically bad debate performance. Just the aggressiveness would've been not great on it's own, but the proud boy stuff really was as bad as you can get. For how loud they are online, the alt-right are extremely, hugely unpopular.
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one of these polls again that MAGA is pushing to distract from polls that came out today
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The Chad Jihad posted:It's hard for me to believe that THIS TIME people are like, what a rude bitch, when in 2016 they applauded what felt like the exact same behavior. So while I didnt think Trump won the debate I did generally agree that it would be at least a tie for the average voter even if the sound bites were much worse this time 2016 was so different. Trump was cocksure and aloof. This time he was corned-dog psycho. Also check out Jason Miller on meet the press! They still are mocking Biden for mask use! 
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Oct 4, 2020 16:42
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If Trump loses straight up on Election Night, my headcanon is a large group of people singing “Hey, Hey, Hey, Goodbye” outside the White House for several hours.
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Oct 4, 2020 16:43
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that poll also corrects for 'shy trump voters', btw
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:that poll also corrects for 'shy trump voters', btw That's also ridiculous that nearly 4 in 5 maga chuds don't admit it to other people. I mean, have you SEEN Trump supporters?!
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Oct 4, 2020 16:49
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Lol that this dumb country still rates any Republican higher on "the economy" given their track record of huge collapses and tax cuts for the rich
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:that poll also corrects for 'shy trump voters', btw Well obviously. It's a garbage unrated pollster whose sole purpose is to churn out bullshit polls to muddy the waters in an even more obviously fraudulent way than Zogby/Rasmussen. The point is that even *they* don't show a sympathy bump for Trump.
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brugroffil posted:Lol that this dumb country still rates any Republican higher on "the economy" given their track record of huge collapses and tax cuts for the rich Republicans always come into office with a healthy economy and thus get credit for it.
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I will not hope, I will not hope, I will not hope... this business with Trump getting covid also brings covid in general back into the headlines, where it has rightfully belonged for the last eight months
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We're also climbing again on cases and hospitalization, lol
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The Chad Jihad posted:It's hard for me to believe that THIS TIME people are like, what a rude bitch, when in 2016 they applauded what felt like the exact same behavior. So while I didnt think Trump won the debate I did generally agree that it would be at least a tie for the average voter even if the sound bites were much worse this time None of the debates in 2016 were anywhere near as nuts as this one was. No one would have been talking about Trump 'looming' because he wouldn't have time to loom with all the motor mouth he had going on. Like if you haven't seen it, I don't recommend you do so; but it really was that bad.
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Oct 4, 2020 17:26
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Oct 4, 2020 17:30
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Barring trump making GBS threads himself onstage, is there any likely benefit to Biden having more debates? It seems like the damage from the debate was serious enough that any chance to appear “normal” is a benefit for trump.
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Given that Trump performed terribly and knowingly exposed a presidential candidate to a deadly virus, that's probably an easy out for Biden.
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Zachack posted:Barring trump making GBS threads himself onstage, is there any likely benefit to Biden having more debates? It seems like the damage from the debate was serious enough that any chance to appear “normal” is a benefit for trump. the next debate was supposed to be a town hall, so the image of trump yelling at random voters would probably further sink him - and we know he'd do that, because he did it as his last town hall. but on the whole, probably not much more to be gained.
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Oct 4, 2020 17:38
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:the next debate was supposed to be a town hall, so the image of trump yelling at random voters would probably further sink him - and we know he'd do that, because he did it as his last town hall. but on the whole, probably not much more to be gained. Symptomatic or not, the imagery of Trump presumably spreading viruses in a room full of voters would not play well for his polls, I think. His campaign would do well to cancel. Biden's has no reason to make the first move.
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Oct 4, 2020 17:40
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one of the weirder things about trump is that theres no evidence he has ever used a computer
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:the next debate was supposed to be a town hall, so the image of trump yelling at random voters would probably further sink him - and we know he'd do that, because he did it as his last town hall. but on the whole, probably not much more to be gained. Just imagined Trump gasping in an Oxygen mask like Imortan Joe in between shouting at random voters
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:one of the weirder things about trump is that theres no evidence he has ever used a computer 
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https://twitter.com/jonathantamari/status/1312794342713634818?s=21 This bodes well for a easy pickup senate seat in 2022 for Dems if we are even marginally competitive (which granted, is far from certain in a midterm under a Biden admin).
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Zachack posted:Barring trump making GBS threads himself onstage, is there any likely benefit to Biden having more debates? It seems like the damage from the debate was serious enough that any chance to appear “normal” is a benefit for trump. The main advantage would be to eliminate any concern that voters forget about the first debate in the next month. It has been a consistent theme through his presidency that he can do something monumentally unpopular and if he shuts up for a month people forget and his numbers revert.
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evilweasel posted:The main advantage would be to eliminate any concern that voters forget about the first debate in the next month. It has been a consistent theme through his presidency that he can do something monumentally unpopular and if he shuts up for a month people forget and his numbers revert. But people are voting right now.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:But people are voting right now. Yeah, but they're also going to be voting three weeks from now. I think that given where Biden is, not rocking the boat is the safest course of action - trump has to make up a huge amount of ground and just denying him the chance to do it is the best move - but there is a real advantage to keeping Trump's worst aspects in public view. That said, it also risks erasing the first debate - even if Trump turns in 99% as awful a job you could see a lot of stories about his improvement, so I'd probably lean towards trying to avoid another debate while not being obvious about it.
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The Chad Jihad posted:It's hard for me to believe that THIS TIME people are like, what a rude bitch, when in 2016 they applauded what felt like the exact same behavior. So while I didnt think Trump won the debate I did generally agree that it would be at least a tie for the average voter even if the sound bites were much worse this time (For context: she is an MSNBC-watching Liberal Boomer in Maryland, and I am a Maryland-born Liberal Xer in Wisconsin who both voted straight-ticket blue last time)
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:But people are voting right now. If I recall, this weekend is one of the major early voting weekends.
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LegendaryFrog posted:https://twitter.com/jonathantamari/status/1312794342713634818?s=21 would be shocked but he's a massive do-nothing. for a state the size of pennsylvania, the senators are sure low-profile. i wonder who the GOP has planned or if fetterman will try to run for it.
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Pick posted:If I recall, this weekend is one of the major early voting weekends. Do any states do early voting on Sunday?
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evilweasel posted:I think that given where Biden is, not rocking the boat is the safest course of action. Seriously at the moment all the media is about trump and him being poo poo. All Biden needs to do is every so often poke his head up to show he's not sick and let his campaign and allies do the rest. If your opponent is self destructing, like just let them. You know, couple of ad's here and there. Couple of interviews, but it's pretty clear what the election is about at the moment and there is no reason, at the moment, he should stick his head up to change that.
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e: probably definitely the wrong thread for such musings
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:one of the weirder things about trump is that theres no evidence he has ever used a computer I mean, phones are computers and he seems to be using one daily for more hours than I do, despite working IT.
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Oct 4, 2020 18:48
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