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800peepee51doodoo posted:Video games are fuckin weird. I'm trying to imagine, like, a book publisher selling first drafts and outlines or like movie studios selling workprints with no vfx or post production. I get the idea of EA as a funding and testing mechanism, with the trade off being a reduced early-adopter price. I've bought into a few EA games myself. But the idea that the value is seen by a lot of folks as completely independent of the game being complete is honestly a bit mind-boggling to me. The Lord of the Rings films were a bit like this. By the third film all the superfans were: "I can't wait to see the extended edition!" after seeing the theatrical cut.
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It's not that you're paying $60 for early access, it's a preorder for the full game that also gives early access.
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Oct 7, 2020 21:15
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Thanks everyone for all the comments. I'll give it a try - can always refund it if necessary, I guess 
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Oct 7, 2020 21:43
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SirSamVimes posted:It's not that you're paying $60 for early access, it's a preorder for the full game that also gives early access.
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Oct 7, 2020 21:52
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SirSamVimes posted:It's not that you're paying $60 for early access, it's a preorder for the full game that also gives early access. oh word?
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Oct 7, 2020 21:55
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SirSamVimes posted:It's not that you're paying $60 for early access, it's a preorder for the full game that also gives early access. I played a few hours last night and it owned. I might finish it, or just view it as a preorder I can play and put it away for a while. I didn't particularly gel with DOS2 and so far I am enjoying the fairly coherent way they've mashed up D&D and larian style mechanics a lot more - being able to shove people to get out of engagement is great, for e.g. The face acting is really good, and the writing is neither po faced nor wacky so far.
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Oct 7, 2020 21:57
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JollyBoyJohn posted:Anyone playing The Solitaire Conspiracy? Looks like a really neat idea I played it/beat the campaign, and it was a fun way to spend a few hours. It's super easy though, so I don't know how much replay value it's going to have other than loving around for a few minutes here and there maybe.
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Oct 7, 2020 22:07
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Volte posted:... and really making sure people understand that it's literally a half-broken in-progress build... That's why there's the giant EARLY ACCESS GAME banner on the Steam page. Like what more do you want, honestly.
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Oct 7, 2020 22:16
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Kibayasu posted:Let me know if I’m stretching here but maybe a lot of people actually do like the games Larian has made recently. Yeah they've been around for ages but the Original Sin games really blew up for them. I imagine there's a fair chunk of people grabbing BG3 because it's Larian and they have a proven track record.
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Oct 7, 2020 22:27
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I've been enjoying the fact that they've been injecting a bit of Original Sin into 5e for BG3. Do you like surfaces? Because your spells are going to make surfaces.
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Oct 7, 2020 22:31
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^That's largely why it's on my radar, yea.
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Oct 7, 2020 22:32
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SirSamVimes posted:It's not that you're paying $60 for early access, it's a preorder for the full game that also gives early access. I mean if people are THAT mad about it, they dont have to buy it. Just wait.
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Oct 8, 2020 01:02
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Didn't they do the exact same thing for Original Sin 2?
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Det_no posted:Didn't they do the exact same thing for Original Sin 2? I wanna say that they did, but it was on a discount at launch?
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Oct 8, 2020 01:11
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Fargin Icehole posted:I wanna say that they did, but it was on a discount at launch? No, it just wasn’t a $60 game to begin with. And a lot of people who played EA got the game even cheaper by backing it through Kickstarter.
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The thing that made me like DOS2 was the intricate puzzle combat so replacing that with D&D 5e is unfortunately making it essentially an unproven track record, for me. The roleplaying was fine in DOS2 but not something I'd have paid full price for without the combat.
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Oct 8, 2020 01:14
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Sounds like Steam's newest demofest is starting. Any new standouts from this one?
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cheetah7071 posted:The thing that made me like DOS2 was the intricate puzzle combat so replacing that with D&D 5e is unfortunately making it essentially an unproven track record, for me. The roleplaying was fine in DOS2 but not something I'd have paid full price for without the combat. I read somewhere that the game still has the concept of "Surfaces" like in Original Sin 1+2, so it should still in some way be similar I think
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Oct 8, 2020 01:57
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Mordja posted:Sounds like Steam's newest demofest is starting. Any new standouts from this one? Did Webbed have a demo up before?
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Sab669 posted:I read somewhere that the game still has the concept of "Surfaces" like in Original Sin 1+2, so it should still in some way be similar I think This is correct and even cantrip level spells leave surfaces behind You can also dip your weapons in them as a bonus action.
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Oct 8, 2020 02:20
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I found a game for people who think ACE Team is too milquetoast. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVtUwLb0wfc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlHjUTSryeE https://store.steampowered.com/app/701670/Krotruvink/
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Oct 8, 2020 02:45
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The Chad Jihad posted:I mean yeah if some author I liked was selling the first draft of his book and was taking feedback on it I would buy it Isn't that basically how The Martian was written? It was just free chapters on a website with people giving input and eventually it was sold for real money as a finished package.
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Oct 8, 2020 03:59
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Mordja posted:Sounds like Steam's newest demofest is starting. Any new standouts from this one? there's some cute new stuff i'm seeing though like fire tonight, bonfire peaks, land of screens, wavebreak, black skylands, aeon drive, f.i.s.t., pumpkin jack, mail mole, pixel puzzle makeout league, weaving tides, star seeker and GONNER 2
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Sequels are just too slow of an iteration process for digital age, bring Star Traders Frontiers level of speed of weekly updates to my news feed. I don't even play those games but I get a dopamine hit when reading updatelogs and saying internally "oh they fixed that", to be frankly it's the only way I can feel something in these days
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Oct 8, 2020 04:13
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Larian can pull it off because they have a strong pedigree of making rather detailed RPGs and have delivered many, many games in the past. Experiencing part of that process and maybe even influencing it a bit may also be a strong selling point.
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Oct 8, 2020 07:36
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I'll just wait until it's done, like I usually do. I really, really enjoyed D:OS2, so I'm looking forward to the finished product (BG3). I'm the kind of person that will wait for an Enhanced Edition update at times. Phasmophobia was one of those rare exceptions that seems to have paid off. I definitely feel like I already had my money's worth with the $13.99 asking price. Good co-op fun. Do not play that game if you have severe anxiety.
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Oct 8, 2020 08:31
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Consensus on Warhammer 40k: Inquisitor: Martyr: The Game is that it's not great, but still pretty good, and worth it at 70%, yes? No?
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I heard in BG3 trading prices are based on the Charisma of the character you're using to initiate the trade, rather than your party just having the benefit of a high Charisma character passively. And that you need to manually put items into your party members' personal inventories for them to be able to use them. Is this at all accurate? If so, lol
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Xarbala posted:I heard in BG3 trading prices are based on the Charisma of the character you're using to initiate the trade, rather than your party just having the benefit of a high Charisma character passively. And that you need to manually put items into your party members' personal inventories for them to be able to use them. That was how Original Sin 2 worked, IIRC.
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Xarbala posted:I heard in BG3 trading prices are based on the Charisma of the character you're using to initiate the trade, rather than your party just having the benefit of a high Charisma character passively. And that you need to manually put items into your party members' personal inventories for them to be able to use them. Sounds exactly like the D:OS system, also the whole way merchants work is mind numbingly stupid. For D:OS1 the strategy was to steal every piece of artwork you could and dump it on vendors with your "face" character to essentially print money for anything you need.
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Black Griffon posted:Consensus on Warhammer 40k: Inquisitor: Martyr: The Game is that it's not great, but still pretty good, and worth it at 70%, yes? No? I got bored of it because your skill bar is dictated in most cases by your weapons and the weapons are very boring here compared to Diablo 3 or Path of Exile. You're not going to get a gun that spits homing skulls or meteors or a huge talent tree of active abilities to switch out. Your first heavy bolter feels cool, and the heavy bolter you use 50 hours later will have the exact same ability bar with maybe 15% to critical hit or something boring poo poo.
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Azran posted:That was how Original Sin 2 worked, IIRC. pentyne posted:Sounds exactly like the D:OS system, also the whole way merchants work is mind numbingly stupid. For D:OS1 the strategy was to steal every piece of artwork you could and dump it on vendors with your "face" character to essentially print money for anything you need. lol Well at least Larian's fans know what they're getting into. Baldur's Gate fans maybe not so much.
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Oct 8, 2020 10:22
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Xarbala posted:lol BG fans are familiar with AD&D2, they're immune to stupid rules and systems
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Xarbala posted:lol Yeah, back when I played D:OS2 I was just dumbfounded by some of the design choices in general. For example I'd sometimes reload because I'd walk past a conversation trigger and an NPC would pick the wrong character to talk to. I appreciated how Pillars of Eternity 2 did it, where everyone else's skill points are added as a bonus to yours for that game's equivalent of group checks.
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kirbysuperstar posted:BG fans are familiar with AD&D2, they're immune to stupid rules and systems  good point
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Azran posted:Yeah, back when I played D:OS2 I was just dumbfounded by some of the design choices in general. For example I'd sometimes reload because I'd walk past a conversation trigger and an NPC would pick the wrong character to talk to. I appreciated how Pillars of Eternity 2 did it, where everyone else's skill points are added as a bonus to yours for that game's equivalent of group checks.
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Xarbala posted:
what's a hit for a thac0 of -2 for a AC of -11? What about if they have +3AC against slashing? -2 against piercing?
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I wanna say that the co-op aspect affected some of that design decision stuff in D:OS2. I'm not 100% sure of that though. Some of it is mitigated through the Gift Bags, I think.
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Oct 8, 2020 10:33
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pentyne posted:what's a hit for a thac0 of -2 for a AC of -11?
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Xarbala posted:I heard in BG3 trading prices are based on the Charisma of the character you're using to initiate the trade, rather than your party just having the benefit of a high Charisma character passively. And that you need to manually put items into your party members' personal inventories for them to be able to use them.
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