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Given Riker was a reworking of Decker from the old Star Trek Phase 2 concept, I don't really think he was there intentionally as a failsafe, although they would have used him that way if they had to. Like how Best of Both Worlds part 1 was written with no planned way to bring Picard back since the studio and Stewart were in strained contract negotiations at the time
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Seemlar posted:I never really questioned or was bothered by Spock's attitude in those movies because it's taking place in an entirely different universe that is basically off-kilter because of history changing, even if they don't look at the camera and point out why Spock is different the way you get to see for Kirk. Even not really developing beyond that in the second movie was fine because Vulcans end up a hair away from extinction and his future self tells him what amounts to "you do you, I'll handle the being a Vulcan stuff". But ultimately I do think Quinto just wouldn't have the range to eventually change into something more balanced, he's just limited. Plus Peck is nowhere near his potential for Peak  He was only in half the season, he was mentally hosed up a lot of the time, and he's supposed to be a few years younger than we saw him in TOS S1.Looking forward to him at ease in his role as an officer under Pike and getting closer to the Spock we knew and loved. As good as Peck was, he's been doing it with one hand tied behind his back and in SNW he should really be able to do some great stuff.
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skasion posted:The idea in the show bible is that Riker would do away missions and have adventures and generally be the cool and sexy one, while Picard would be the wise commanding dad who never leaves the bridge. There was meant to be this three-generation concept between Picard, Riker and Wesley where they were the same person at different stages all mentoring each other. (Not literally the same person, I should clarify, since this is Star Trek)
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Oct 8, 2020 01:50
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MikeJF posted:There was meant to be this three-generation concept between Picard, Riker and Wesley where they were the same person at different stages all mentoring each other. That is a very cool idea if Wesley didn’t suck total rear end
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Oct 8, 2020 01:52
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MikeJF posted:Early bridge plans mark her as 'sociologist', which makes more sense why she's there - I think the idea was that they'd be playing more into aliens could be weird and have strange psychology and her job is to advise the captain during encounters about that, but it didn't come off well in execution. Yeah, this is what I wish they had pushed her more into. The Ent-D's mission is generally exploration and discovery, would make a hell of a lot of sense to have some kind of cultural expert on the senior staff who is good at both understanding cultures the Federation knows and can help interpret cultures they discover. You see a little bit of this in the show - like in Darmok, she and Data try to work together to figure out how to communicate. Troi's best episode is probably Face of the Enemy, and her being some kind of cultural expert would make a lot of sense there - she is kidnapped because she could adapt and blend better as a Romulan. In this role, her empath abilities make a lot more sense, and could probably have been used more without having to write around them. The problem was that Picard kind of got the whole anthropology/culture interest, and then Data was used to spout off any facts or research on specific cultures, so Deanna was just there to make her vague observations outside of specific episodes where her role was to be mentally or physically violated.
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A sociologist examining cultures would also kinda be redundant to the overall dramatic structure of the episodes. Would she just do the exposition instead of the aliens speaking for themselves? Or would she be the one asking them questions and they would exposition to her as an extra relay point between the rest of the crew? Like Stargate can do it because O'Neil and Teal'c are unempathetic jarheads mostly uninterested in weird alien cultures so Daniel has a real purpose doing all the work of dealing with the specifics of alien cultures on his own, but Star Trek has the entire crew interested in the aliens of the day, because that's the entire point of the show. Unmature posted:That is a very cool idea if Wesley didn’t suck total rear end Wesley had his issues, but I think the worst way to finish off his character was for a creepy adult to take him under his wing and whisk him off to another plane of existence never to be seen again without ever telling his parent or crewmates. I guess say hi to Sisko when he gets there. Also kinda ruins the dynamics of the entire episode because the main native american character pleading their case was a weird alien pretending to be one of them and when he vanishes, the episode is just resolved offscreen.
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Oct 8, 2020 02:33
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Man the first ten minutes of Into Darkness rule. But now I have to watch the rest of the movie. Wait forty-two people died in that giant London explosion? I think Quinto still isn’t great but he’s doing better in this movie. At least he stopped smirking in every goddamn shot. Unmature fucked around with this message at 02:52 on Oct 8, 2020 |
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Oct 8, 2020 02:38
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Unmature posted:Man the first ten minutes of Into Darkness rule. But now I have to watch the rest of the movie. someone pointed out in the modern trek thread (i think) that most trek since 9/11 has depicted some new mass casualty event
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Crusader posted:someone pointed out in the modern trek thread (i think) that most trek since 9/11 has depicted some new mass casualty event I just can’t believe it was that low. It looked like half of downtown London exploded
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Crusader posted:someone pointed out in the modern trek thread (i think) that most trek since 9/11 has depicted some new mass casualty event Well mass casualty events are practically compulsory in the action genre. And since adventure isn't a genre any more and Hollywood has to apply the standard setups to everything, it got shunted into action and all of the action writing standards were applied to it.
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MikeJF posted:Well mass casualty events are practically compulsory in the action genre. Yeah we just saw the scene of Scotty telling Kirk they’re on a military mission and no longer explorers and I was like “...Yeah  “My fiancée just said “you know all those episodes we’ve seen where they go to another universe where everything is bad and dark? That’s what this is like” God this is just a chain of basic action scenes. Jumping through space is alright but Jesus Christ have a conversation about something more than who’s bad and who’s good please I forgot about the Super 9/11 in San Francisco Unmature fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Oct 8, 2020 |
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Oct 8, 2020 03:06
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To this day Into Darkness is the one Trek thing I haven't given a chance.
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Oct 8, 2020 04:57
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Manhunt, gently caress whoever thought that double entendre was clever, actually gently caress all Lwaxana episodes, she is an awful character, going so low as to hit Weasley. It was entertaining to watch how uncomfortable Picard gets under what can best described as the female gaze. There is also scene where Deanna and Riker explain to Picard that Lwaxana's libido was going through the roof because of Betazoid menopause, that is so so bad, but in a really entertaining way because of how bad the writing is and Marina Sirtis delivery coming off like an embarrassed teenager and the whole time Jonathan Frakes has the most horn dog poo poo eating grin I have ever scene. This whole episode feels like 40 minutes of Gene Roddenberry asking if you want to gently caress his wife. Roddenberry really liked bring up sex in the early episodes of TNG, the episode where Weasley is sentenced to death for walking on the lawn has the tone of late night Cinemax. The line where Warf tells Riker Klingons have ruff sex is delivered so causally, and now that I think about the writers are very consistent about that point.
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Oct 8, 2020 09:11
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side_burned posted:Roddenberry really liked bring up sex in the early episodes of TNG, the episode where Weasley is sentenced to death for walking on the lawn has the tone of late night Cinemax. The line where Warf tells Riker Klingons have ruff sex is delivered so causally, and now that I think about the writers are very consistent about that point. There's a great bit later where Worf says he isn't seeing anyone in the Enterprise because humans are all too fragile and Guinan basically laughs and tells him he has no idea what some of the women on the ship are like. 
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Oct 8, 2020 09:26
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MikeJF posted:There's a great bit later where Worf says he isn't seeing anyone in the Enterprise because humans are all too fragile and Guinan basically laughs and tells him he has no idea what some of the women on the ship are like. There's a whole speech he gives about Klingon courtship involving men with live poems and ladies beating them up. Still makes me grin when I hear it.
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The Guinan revelation is interesting because we do get an example of this later with Worf and Dax, who apparently both require medical attention after sex, and yet the Humans Guinan refers to would apparently find this "tame". Like, wtf how extreme has BDSM gotten in a post-scarcity sosialist utopia?
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thotsky posted:The Guinan revelation is interesting because we do get an example of this later with Worf and Dax, who apparently both require medical attention after sex, and yet the Humans Guinan refers to would apparently find this "tame". Like, wtf how extreme has BDSM gotten in a post-scarcity sosialist utopia? You really think all those people in sickbay were getting treatment from "holodeck skiing accidents"?
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Senor Tron posted:You really think all those people in sickbay were getting treatment from "holodeck skiing accidents"? That certainly paints O'Brien and Bashir's holosuite injuries in a new light.
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Oct 8, 2020 11:54
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A.o.D. posted:That certainly paints O'Brien and Bashir's holosuite injuries in a new and obvious light.
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Oct 8, 2020 12:13
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IMO Bashir is the top
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FlamingLiberal posted:IMO Bashir is the top So's Keiko so this makes sense.
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thotsky posted:The Guinan revelation is interesting because we do get an example of this later with Worf and Dax, who apparently both require medical attention after sex, and yet the Humans Guinan refers to would apparently find this "tame". Like, wtf how extreme has BDSM gotten in a post-scarcity sosialist utopia? She wasn't necessarily referring to humans though. (Unless she did and I forgot)
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Drone posted:So's Keiko so this makes sense.
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Oct 8, 2020 14:04
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Keiko wears the pants, and the strapon
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Very interesting when Keiko is possessed by a demon O'Brien initially brushes it off as roleplay
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Huh, Janeway is returning in that Nickelodeon animated Star Trek show that's apparently still happening
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Veotax posted:Huh, Janeway is returning in that Nickelodeon animated Star Trek show that's apparently still happening "returns as Captain" so wait either she committed a war crime so bad (yet beneficial) that she got demoted, or didn't commit enough war crimes to remain admiral 
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Oct 8, 2020 19:06
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She wasn’t nearly corrupt enough
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SlothfulCobra posted:Wesley had his issues, but I think the worst way to finish off his character was for a creepy adult to take him under his wing and whisk him off to another plane of existence never to be seen again without ever telling his parent or crewmates. I guess say hi to Sisko when he gets there. they didnt call them native americans for reasons and they called them indians, it is super weird to rewatch in DS9 Dax mentions learning a Hopi ritual from a maquis or something and that is done more tasteful
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Angry_Ed posted:"returns as Captain" so wait either she committed a war crime so bad (yet beneficial) that she got demoted, or didn't commit enough war crimes to remain admiral I’m thinking it’s just PR-speak. Most people know her more as “Captain Janeway” rather than “Admiral Janeway”. We’ll see though.
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I hope it’s lizard Janeway from Threshold
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I hope it’s Mike Janeway https://youtu.be/sZLcIpbOHIU
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Emergency Command Janeway.
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Payndz posted:Emergency Command Janeway. The hologram Chief from Carmen Sandiego is the captain on Lower Decks. It wouldn't surprise me if we get straight up Holo Janeway.
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side_burned posted:Roddenberry really liked bring up sex in the early episodes of TNG, the episode where Weasley is sentenced to death for walking on the lawn has the tone of late night Cinemax. The line where Warf tells Riker Klingons have ruff sex is delivered so causally, and now that I think about the writers are very consistent about that point. Well now it's canon that Riker and Troi regularly swing thank you lower decks. I mean it does fit perfectly.
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MikeJF posted:Well now it's canon that Riker and Troi regularly swing thank you lower decks. Every new thing post-TNG to come out about them makes them seem cool as poo poo.
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nine-gear crow posted:Every new thing post-TNG to come out about them makes them seem cool as poo poo. Recommending the book Imzadi again which is pretty good
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No Luck Needed posted:they didnt call them native americans for reasons and they called them indians, it is super weird to rewatch Indian is the generally preferred term by the people themselves; Native American never really caught on.
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