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urea
Aug 18, 2013

idris 2's Show instance for lists is quadratic and i couldn't be bothered to submit an issue or pr

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Share Bear
Apr 27, 2004

Phobeste posted:

sre: SoftwaRe Engineer
swe: site weliability engineew 🥺 pwease dont cwash

this is my lived experience

VikingofRock
Aug 24, 2008




Rust finally has traits implemented for arrays longer than 32 elements: https://blog.rust-lang.org/2020/10/08/Rust-1.47.html

Sagacity
May 2, 2003
Hopefully my epitaph will be funnier than my custom title.
Just for built-in types like arrays though

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

eschaton posted:

I know someone who seriously asserts that the way to quality and security is to do everything with Space Shuttle software levels of rigor from requirements to specification to implementation, and thinks that anyone who doesn’t is criminally incompetent and should be held civilly and criminally liable for any defects

even if it did work I don’t think he’d enjoy paying 1950s prices for computers and what little software could be run on them

you can just @ me next time,

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

eschaton posted:

I know someone who seriously asserts that the way to quality and security is to do everything with Space Shuttle software levels of rigor from requirements to specification to implementation, and thinks that anyone who doesn’t is criminally incompetent and should be held civilly and criminally liable for any defects

even if it did work I don’t think he’d enjoy paying 1950s prices for computers and what little software could be run on them

plenty of software meets space shuttle standards

unfortunately it’s columbia

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

columbia did not suffer from software anomalies

Nomnom Cookie
Aug 30, 2009



Bloody posted:

columbia did not suffer from software anomalies

I agree they put too much effort into the software and not enough into the tiles

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

imagine if every bug you ever dealt with had this level of scrutiny & investigation

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Sagacity posted:

Just for built-in types like arrays though

I think you can use it in your own code, but it's not frozen so you might get broken by changes in the future and need to make some updates if you do.

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

Nomnom Cookie posted:

I agree they put too much effort into the software and not enough into the tiles

agreed unironically. in my experience in avionics, i would rank the safety-consciousness of teams roughly as follows:
1. flight software
2. avionics hardware
...
5. Systems engineering (non-avionics)
...
10. ops
...
...
1000. any flavor of mechanical engineer

Malcolm XML
Aug 8, 2009

I always knew it would end like this.

Share Bear posted:

that's what i said? not sure what you read, people share the role and rotate through being the "devops" person


i dont work at google or really aspire to so i don't know what those acronyms mean so i looked them up

sre is a site reliability engineer which deals with production and sits downstream of software engineer creations
swe is a software engineer which is a software engineer

in a proper devops org there is no "devops" person everyone is devops


if all u got is a renamed yaml janitor then yeah sure rotate

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

devops is like agile

Malcolm XML
Aug 8, 2009

I always knew it would end like this.

Share Bear posted:

this is my lived experience

the virgin s-uwu-e who makes errors

and the chad SDE who develops tools to avoid mistakes

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

Bloody posted:

agreed unironically. in my experience in avionics, i would rank the safety-consciousness of teams roughly as follows:
1. flight software
2. avionics hardware
...
5. Systems engineering (non-avionics)
...
10. ops
...
...
1000. any flavor of mechanical engineer

actually this is too kind to avionics hardware, a lot of those teams suck rear end and are just occasionally bailed out by software teams

Malcolm XML
Aug 8, 2009

I always knew it would end like this.

Bloody posted:

devops is like agile

devops is agile applied to operations and development yes

Nomnom Cookie
Aug 30, 2009



Bloody posted:

agreed unironically. in my experience in avionics, i would rank the safety-consciousness of teams roughly as follows:
1. flight software
2. avionics hardware
...
5. Systems engineering (non-avionics)
...
10. ops
...
...
1000. any flavor of mechanical engineer

good news, Boeing fixed the rankings

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

737 max is a failure enabled more by systems engineering than 1. flight software folks correctly identified the pitot tube as a SPOF for a safety-critical component, then systems engineering (or similar) + program management said eat poo poo its fine

Nomnom Cookie
Aug 30, 2009



im not only a yaml janitor!!! we use terraform too

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

now, this clusterfuck https://spacenews.com/starliner-suffers-off-nominal-orbital-insertion-after-launch/

idk whos fault that one is

probably a lot of peoples, but definitely software's

that one is really bad

Malcolm XML
Aug 8, 2009

I always knew it would end like this.

Bloody posted:

737 max is a failure enabled more by systems engineering than 1. flight software folks correctly identified the pitot tube as a SPOF for a safety-critical component, then systems engineering (or similar) + program management said eat poo poo its fine

no it's because the execs were too cheap to invest in new products and chose to attempt to drag a 60s era airframe into 2020

Malcolm XML
Aug 8, 2009

I always knew it would end like this.

Nomnom Cookie posted:

im not only a yaml janitor!!! we use terraform too

use dhall or get out

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

Malcolm XML posted:

no it's because the execs were too cheap to invest in new products and chose to attempt to drag a 60s era airframe into 2020

yes, that is one of the root causes

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost
Garmin's avionics stuff seems pretty cool, props to the devs that develop it.

I don't think I'd be able to sleep at night if I had to write safety-critical software.

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

safety-critical software is cool and fun imo

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

pays terribly compared to the rest of this poo poo though lol

redleader
Aug 18, 2005

Engage according to operational parameters

eschaton posted:

I know someone who seriously asserts that the way to quality and security is to do everything with Space Shuttle software levels of rigor from requirements to specification to implementation, and thinks that anyone who doesn’t is criminally incompetent and should be held civilly and criminally liable for any defects

even if it did work I don’t think he’d enjoy paying 1950s prices for computers and what little software could be run on them

this is a good idea because it limits software to where it's really needed

just think - if the world was like that, lowtax would never have created the forums

Nomnom Cookie
Aug 30, 2009



Malcolm XML posted:

use dhall or get out

i dont enjoy overcomplicated solutions to simple problems, so....nah

Private Speech
Mar 30, 2011

I HAVE EVEN MORE WORTHLESS BEANIE BABIES IN MY COLLECTION THAN I HAVE WORTHLESS POSTS IN THE BEANIE BABY THREAD YET I STILL HAVE THE TEMERITY TO CRITICIZE OTHERS' COLLECTIONS

IF YOU SEE ME TALKING ABOUT BEANIE BABIES, PLEASE TELL ME TO

EAT. SHIT.


Bloody posted:

pays terribly compared to the rest of this poo poo though lol

yeah that is the funny part

I could potentially do quite a lot of damage through negligence or malice, but get paid considerably worse than most other people I know from uni

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

Nomnom Cookie posted:

i dont enjoy overcomplicated solutions to simple problems, so....nah

c’mon get the gently caress out

Nomnom Cookie
Aug 30, 2009



Subjunctive posted:

c’mon get the gently caress out

quote:

any time we reach a recursive occurrence of the type, we apply the recursive occurrence to all of the variables we brought into scope, in the same order

rjmccall
Sep 7, 2007

no worries friend
Fun Shoe

Bloody posted:

columbia did not suffer from software anomalies

it didn’t suffer much at all

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨


love it when you talk like that

Malcolm XML
Aug 8, 2009

I always knew it would end like this.

Nomnom Cookie posted:

i dont enjoy overcomplicated solutions to simple problems, so....nah

yet u use yaml????


curious

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006
i realized azure devops can be used without yaml and it rules now

abraham linksys
Sep 6, 2010

:darksouls:
i dont understand, how can one even devops without yaml

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

Nomnom Cookie posted:

im not only a yaml janitor!!! we use terraform too

what’s the deepest you’ve ever nested heredocs inside strings inside heredocs

hcl2 is a very, uh, idiosyncratic beast

Nomnom Cookie
Aug 30, 2009



Soricidus posted:

what’s the deepest you’ve ever nested heredocs inside strings inside heredocs

hcl2 is a very, uh, idiosyncratic beast

heredoc inside heredoc is the most i routinely do

Malcolm XML
Aug 8, 2009

I always knew it would end like this.

abraham linksys posted:

i dont understand, how can one even devops without yaml

one must free ones mind

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Bored Online
May 25, 2009

We don't need Rome telling us what to do.

Subjunctive posted:

Services Warning Everywhere

services restarting engineer

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