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meteor9
Nov 23, 2007

"That's why I put up with it."
I did a reverse "you'll be conservative when you're older!!" and voted for Dubya term 2 back when I turned 18 or whenever it was. Was pretty solidly on the socialist side of the fence by the time I moved down here before Obama even got voted in.

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Jezza of OZPOS
Mar 21, 2018

GET LOSE❌🗺️, YOUS CAN'T COMPARE😤 WITH ME 💪POWERS🇦🇺
Still unclear if labor are even bothering to run a candidate in my seat yet. Primary last election was something obnoxious over a majority for LNP, 10 ONP, 7 LAB, 5 GRN so it wouldn't surprise me if they werent although spiting the greens voters that would probably trend Labor (I'd hope) would be on brand

Did KAP poo poo the bed for registration or something in Qld? Usually their stuff is everywhere out here even if they don't pull massive numbers

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe
I see the cashless welfare card is being rolled out by the budget allocating money to be shovelled into someone's mates' cashless welfare card company.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

trunkh posted:

Auspol filled with tree tories confirmed.

Tree tories are good as their name alliterates.

I mean if you follow a political persuasion that has a name that doesn't even alliterate, well what are you even doing with your life?

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006

hooman posted:

I see the cashless welfare card is being rolled out by the budget allocating money to be shovelled into someone's mates' cashless welfare card company.

bowmore
Oct 6, 2008



Lipstick Apathy
i’ve never voted for a bad choice

Budzilla
Oct 14, 2007

We can all learn from our past mistakes.

bowmore posted:

i’ve never voted for a bad choice
Is that possible in Aus?

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

bowmore posted:

i’ve never voted for a bad choice

I don’t know about that one, chief.

Sulla Faex
May 14, 2010

No man ever did me so much good, or enemy so much harm, but I repaid him with ENDLESS SHITPOSTING

hambeet posted:

it's okay. i voted howard. twice.

Both times in 2007

Budzilla posted:

Is that possible in Aus?

I'm sure a surprising number of people have never voted

Sulla Faex fucked around with this message at 06:22 on Oct 10, 2020

bowmore
Oct 6, 2008



Lipstick Apathy

Budzilla posted:

Is that possible in Aus?
nope

bowmore
Oct 6, 2008



Lipstick Apathy
what I meant to say was I have always voted for the less poo poo version of whatever options were available to me at the time

GoldStandardConure
Jun 11, 2010

I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow

Pillbug

Budzilla posted:

Is that possible in Aus?

tim clifford mlc is good

Amoeba102
Jan 22, 2010

trunkh posted:

Auspol filled with tree tories confirmed.

Ok Trunk Hitler.

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-10/nsw-arrests-made-at-sydney-protest-anti-transgender-bill/12751208

For a second I forgot Latham was human garbage

Also cops bad

bandaid.friend
Apr 25, 2017

:obama:My first car was a stick:obama:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/73xau-community-action-for-rainbow-rights-fighting-fund

Here's an action fund

quote:

CARR asks supporters to donate generously to the fighting fund which will allow us to continue to fight bigots such as Mark Latham, and help us fight the fines attendees have received. All proceeds will be put toward expenses related to our COVID-safe practices at the demonstration on the 10 Oct, other protest materials, and funding legal challenges to fines.

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

Cheers for that, I pitched in.

Lube Enthusiast
May 26, 2016

Get hosed Latham and those bigots

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

Lube Enthusiast posted:

Get hosed Latham and those bigots

But you repeat yourself.

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.
Does that Latham bill stand a chance?

lih
May 15, 2013

Just a friendly reminder of what it looks like.

We'll do punctuation later.
seems unlikely unless berejiklian suddenly has an appetite for going full culture war on trans issues which the libs have largely avoided doing so far thankfully but i don't think she's said anything about it yet. will likely get the support of a bunch of coalition backbenchers though

iajanus
Aug 17, 2004

NUMBER 1 QUEENSLAND SUPPORTER
MAROONS 2023 STATE OF ORIGIN CHAMPIONS FOR LIFE



Not sure who is authorising them but there's some very scaremongering radio ads telling everyone to put Labor last because they're allowing women to abort their full term babies. Ah, Queensland.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
When in doubt, it's a Palmer shadow organisation.

Was on Facebook the other day and Facebook ads showed me a top page called Number One Australia Videos or something.

It was basically animals doing funny poo poo except the audio had been replaced by Clive Palmer talking about how bad Labor is.

Homora Gaykemi
Apr 30, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

lih posted:

will likely get the support of a bunch of coalition backbenchers though

yeah, i haven't been paying too much attention to this particular bill but i know he's had LNP folk involved before with his campaigns sending anti-trans propaganda to schools so there's at least some that will be in for this thing too

Homora Gaykemi fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Oct 11, 2020

JBP
Feb 16, 2017

You've got to know, to understand,
Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

iajanus posted:

Not sure who is authorising them but there's some very scaremongering radio ads telling everyone to put Labor last because they're allowing women to abort their full term babies. Ah, Queensland.

Campbell Newman must be afraid.

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

Anidav posted:

When in doubt, it's a Palmer shadow organisation.

Was on Facebook the other day and Facebook ads showed me a top page called Number One Australia Videos or something.

It was basically animals doing funny poo poo except the audio had been replaced by Clive Palmer talking about how bad Labor is.

incredible

CelestialScribe
Jan 16, 2008
Brett Sutton was asked today if vic can achieve its roadmap targets.

His answer: “Who knows.”

These loving clowns.

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.

CelestialScribe posted:

Brett Sutton was asked today if vic can achieve its roadmap targets.

His answer: “Who knows.”

These loving clowns.

Don’t sign your posts

TammyHEH
Dec 11, 2013

Alfrything is only the ghost of a memory...

CelestialScribe posted:

Brett Sutton was asked today if vic can achieve its roadmap targets.

His answer: “Who knows.”

These loving clowns.

Conduct a citizens arrest

DRINK ME
Jul 31, 2006
i cant fix avs like this because idk the bbcode - HTML IS BS MAN
Hey auspol. I have never voted in a council election before so I’m looking for some guidance. Just the sort of question I’d normally ask at the office but there’s no office any more: How the gently caress do you work out who to vote for in these things?

I’m in Brimbank, Horseshoe Bend ward, we have 10 independent candidates and a 300 word statement to go on and flyers in the mail. However one of the independents is using Labor red for her mailer and another is using Liberal blue, so I have to check out their facebooks and websites and see other people asking the same questions with answers like “well I’m a member of the party but I’m not running as a Labor candidate”. And the Lib guy has a bunch of news articles about how he’s been caught up in state level party bullshit.

While googling candidates I also found this wild website that calls out people who are potentially Labor or Greens in an effort to “defeat dan”. It run by Ken Phillips, who is an IPA guy who is trying to get the govt prosecuted under WH&S laws over the second wave/quarantine fuckup.

https://defeatdan.selfemployedaustralia.com.au/

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop
Real politic advice:

Even if you do exhaustive research and discover who the least worst candidate is, everybody else is going to vote for Transparently Evil Scum Candidate. TESC will win in a landslide leaving you wallowing in inconsequential rage, now in full knowledge of your impotence against the 40 000 carat block of ignorance, selfishness and incompetence that is the Australian populace.

So,

You can save your self a bunch of time and grief and just donkey vote or vote informal. These clowns only run a city council, after all, and in general councils suck billy goat scrotum, even when run by the most politically pure candidate imaginable.

P died after she crashed a car that she had taken from youth workers that lived with her in a residential care unit. She was travelling at speeds of more than 140km/h. The crash occurred a short time after police attempted to get her to pull over, but police did not pursue the car because they were aware she was 13. She had been involved in child protection since she was born and had been in 14 separate out-of-home care placements since she was two.

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Medical care required but not all given, injured in custody, mental health / cognitive impairment.

Amoeba102
Jan 22, 2010

That would be a useful resource to find out who to vote for. I mean, you do the opposite of what it says and you get better results.

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002

yeah you just have to google the candidates and go from there.

or the quick tick and flick guide we came up with in the discord the other day based on candidate statements :

rule out anyone who is a small business owner, lawyer, accountant, engineer, anyone overtly religious, anyone who says council should just focus on the three R's (rates, roads and rubbish) or anyone who says they'll promise to deliver X service or stop Y development (they wont be able to deliver on either). after ruling candidates out, see who is left and then number those however you think best.

then go back and number all the excluded ones in order from least worst to worst.

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002

oh also, it's almost a guarantee the first person listed on the ballot will get elected too as too many people just number 1 - x from top to bottom.

EoinCannon
Aug 29, 2008

Grimey Drawer
We had 3 council candidates in our bit of Camberwell, I voted for the only one that didn't put keeping down rates as their top priority. Rich homeowners around here can afford it

DRINK ME
Jul 31, 2006
i cant fix avs like this because idk the bbcode - HTML IS BS MAN

hambeet posted:

rule out anyone who is a small business owner, lawyer, accountant, engineer, anyone overtly religious, anyone who says council should just focus on the three R's (rates, roads and rubbish) or anyone who says they'll promise to deliver X service or stop Y development (they wont be able to deliver on either). after ruling candidates out, see who is left and then number those however you think best.
I think this would leave me with no-one to vote for.

Thanks all. I think I’m just going to pick the couple who seem like they might be normal and then random the rest.

Fun fact, Brimbank didn’t have a council from 2009 - 2016 after they were all sacked and administrators were appointed.

hambeet
Sep 13, 2002

DRINK ME posted:

I think this would leave me with no-one to vote for.

Thanks all. I think I’m just going to pick the couple who seem like they might be normal and then random the rest.

Fun fact, Brimbank didn’t have a council from 2009 - 2016 after they were all sacked and administrators were appointed.

and it ran better than ever imo.

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe
Here's your cursed piece of "journalism" for the day.

The arse posted:

Strange but true … Donald Trump is better for us than Joe Biden
GREG SHERIDAN

A Donald Trump victory would be better for Australia than a Joe Biden presidency. This counter­intuitive view is widely, if semi-­secretly, held in Australian national security circles, and it is ­almost certainly right.

On foreign policy, despite the crazy tweets, frantic and destabilising turnover of key administration personnel, frequent bouts of boorish personal behaviour from Trump, and numerous outright mistakes, the Trump presidency has been significantly more successful than Barack Obama’s. And much better for Australia.

A Biden presidency would likely reprise Obama, but in a weaker and more woke fashion.

These judgments are provisional, on-balance judgments. Either Trump 2 or Biden 1 could go in several different ways.

The question might seem academic, given how far ahead Biden is. But don’t write Trump off quite yet. The election still depends on turnout, and Trump voters are more enthusiastic than Biden voters. The Republicans have been registering more new voters than the Democrats. RealClearPolitics still has Trump a fraction closer in key battleground states than he was to Hillary Clinton in 2016.

And consider this: at this point four years ago, the Access Hollywood tapes were disclosed revealing shocking remarks by Trump regarding his private behaviour. In reaction, there was hardly a cricket team’s worth of people in the whole of the US who thought Trump would become president.

Yet he won. That doesn’t mean he’ll win this time, but don’t count your chickens too early.

On Trump versus Biden, the arguments are strong that Biden would be more problematic for Australia. On bilateral issues, Trump has been a very good president for Australia. There is not a single issue where Canberra could have asked for much more. This reflects well on Malcolm Turnbull and Scott Morrison, the two PMs who have dealt with Trump, and on our diplomacy. It also reflects well on Trump, and the standing Australia has within the US system. Congress and the US bureaucracy supported Australia throughout Trump’s term.
Trump honoured Obama’s deal to take asylum seekers from Manus Island, even though he hated it. He levied tariffs, including on steel and aluminium, on many nations including US allies, but not on Australia. Intelligence co-operation could not be closer. Trump went to great lengths to be a lavish host for Scott Morrison’s visit last year. Such gestures inform the US bureaucracy, and political community, about a relationship’s standing. Military co-operation has increased. Though it started off under Obama, the US marine rotations in the Northern Territory continued to grow.

OK, Trump critics would concede he has been pretty good to Australia bilaterally but has trashed US standing internationally and hurt multilateral institutions. This ultimately damages Australia’s interests. But this is not quite true, or at least there are two sides to it. Trump has done much better in Asia than in Europe. Much of what is labelled global disgust with Trump is actually ­European hostility, plus The New York Times and Hollywood. But a global outlook that doesn’t include Asia isn’t a global outlook at all.

The Trump administration, though it prefers deals to institutions and unilateralism to multilateralism, will build institutions, especially in Asia, where it’s useful. This week in Tokyo, the Quadrilateral Security Dialogue had its second foreign ministers’ meeting. Foreign ministers of the US, Australia, India and Japan convened. This is a significant stage in the Quad’s evolution. It is the first time an Indian foreign minister has travelled overseas specifically for a Quad meeting, rather than a Quad gathering on the sidelines of a big multilateral meeting. It was important in bedding down the strategic identity of the government led by Japan’s new Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga. And it was the umpteenth visit to the region by US Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, who held a long bilateral meeting with ­Aus­tralia’s Foreign Minister, Marise Payne, the night ­before the Quad.

This development of the Quad owes a great deal to the statecraft of Pompeo and US diplomacy. As ever, Asia prefers a Republican administration in Washington rather than a Democrat administration. The Republicans are the party of the Pacific, the Democrats the party of the Atlantic.
Many of Trump’s most ardent critics in Australia demonstrate the narrowly derivative and inadequate nature of their inter­national outlook by slavishly replicating the trans-Atlantic critique of Trump, while displaying no appreciation of the Asian view.

Of course, within Asia the ­Chinese don’t like Trump at all. But the five Asian nations that have stood most strongly for their national interests and against Chinese hegemonic tendencies in the region — Japan, India, Vietnam, Singapore and Australia — have all had a pretty productive experience of Trump.

Asian nations are, like Trump, characteristically much more concerned with results than with process. Trump himself is concerned with what nations do more than with what they say. Australia, partly because of our increased defence effort and our straight­forward political style, has achieved a unique closeness to the Trump administration — certainly much greater closeness than we ever achieved with Obama. This is most unlikely to be repeated under Biden. That is important, because we would ­likely have less influence with a Biden administration than we do with a Trump administration.

Southeast Asia, too, has generally found the Trump administration quite OK to deal with. It is true that Trump withdrew from the Trans Pacific Partnership, but Hillary Clinton had promised to do likewise and Obama had never submitted the TPP to Congress.

The other area where Trump has manifestly done much better than Obama is the Middle East. Trump has midwifed two new peace treaties between Israel and Arab nations. Everything Obama touched in the Middle East turned to absolute dust. Trump has been a force for stability in the Middle East, while Obama was a force for chaos — as in the fallout of the Libyan intervention and, earlier, the Arab Spring. Biden would re-adopt all the destructive elements of the old-think Obama paradigm in the Middle East, including ­recommitting to the plainly in­adequate Iran deal.

On China, Trump has been ahead of the US political leadership class. He has been erratic at times, and has certainly made some serious missteps, but he has understood the profound ways in which Beijing flouts international norms, and the depth of the challenge it poses to the US and its ­allies. If these issues are now more widely understood, this is partly because of Trump’s advocacy, even as Trump has not been able to make a comprehensive and ­coherent case.

What about Biden?

In some ways, the future trajectory of a Biden presidency is unknowable. There are at least three separate foreign policy traditions in the Democratic Party. One is the hard-headed Democrats associated with Kurt Campbell, the former Assistant Secretary of State and author of the Obama pivot to Asia, which promised more than it delivered but was better than nothing; and Michelle Flournoy, who if we are lucky, might become Biden’s ­Defence Secretary.

These are muscular Democrats, particularly realistic in their views of China.

Then there are the Obama-era global engagers and multilateral institution types, associated with John Kerry, the former secretary of state; Susan Rice, who could well become Biden’s secretary of state; and Ben Rhodes, Obama’s former deputy national security adviser.

This group tends to believe that engagement itself is the objective of foreign policy. It is preoccupied with global institutions and global issues. It is deeply conventional — indeed solidly and anachronistically old-fashioned in its analyses. It suffers acute paradigm paralysis. It is drawn to the lyric poetry of foreign affairs as a kind of spiritual substitute for religion. It is perennially preoccupied with climate change and with sweeping, grandiloquent declarations on such issues. And it is very uncomfortable with, and ineffective in, the use of power.

The Chinese have learned to play this group like the strings of a harp. Thus Xi Jinping recently ­declared that China would be carbon neutral by 2060. This earned Beijing worldwide good publicity, but only a very few commentators stopped to ask how you could square this alleged commitment with the fact that Beijing has approved the construction of more new coal-fired power stations this year than in the past two years; that it is financing new coal-fired power stations all over the developing world; and that a vast ­proportion of its Belt and Road ­initiative projects are fossil fuel projects.

The reconciliation is actually simple. The year 2060 is science fiction territory for any government commitment. Beijing can make these announcements and not be impeded or constrained by them in any way, do just what it likes at home, and gullible ­Western opinion — European opinion, especially — will fall for it every time.

Biden gives every sign that he will be a dithering and weak president. He often tells friends that all politics is personal. Kam­ala Harris said at the vice-presidential debate that Biden told her foreign affairs is not complex, it’s just relationships.

In this, Biden betrays the same conceptual confusion as both Trump and Obama, to think that personality will seriously influence geopolitics. But it is surely London to a brick that Beijing will seduce Biden with some nonsensical falderal on climate change, and in return face significantly ­reduced geostrategic pressure from Washington.

The third Democratic Party foreign policy tradition is the “new left” wave of woke activism, which is where all the energy in the contemporary Democratic Party resides. That will merge with the second tradition to almost certainly make climate change the centrepiece of Biden foreign policy — a priority he has already announced anyway.

Biden and Harris are both committed to cutting US defence spending, which means probably an inferior US presence in Asia.

Taken altogether, this all likely means trouble down the track for Australia. Obama sandbagged former prime minister Tony ­Abbott with a viciously partisan speech at the G20 summit in Brisbane. It was the most blatant US interference in our domestic politics in decades, and it was done without notice or consideration for Washington’s Australia ally.

The hyper-partisan Democrat activists who produced that monstrosity, on fire with self righteous zeal for their pet causes, are influential in Biden’s camp today.

A second Trump administration, on the other hand, would likely be a somewhat moderated version of the past four years. Trump has much more experience now. He will still be constrained by the fear of im­peachment and all the normal checks and balances of the US ­system, plus the normal loss of authority a president experiences in his second term.

Anchored as we are in Asia, not Europe — even less Manhattan, Hollywood or Silicon Valley — Trump Mark II would likely be better for Australia than Biden.

Strange, but true.

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004

hooman posted:

A second Trump administration, on the other hand, would likely be a somewhat moderated version of the past four years. Trump has much more experience now. He will still be constrained by the fear of im­peachment and all the normal checks and balances of the US ­system, plus the normal loss of authority a president experiences in his second term.

a lot of unproven analysis right here

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

i'm woke biden

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TammyHEH
Dec 11, 2013

Alfrything is only the ghost of a memory...

Tokamak posted:

i'm woke biden

Why are you so poo poo woke Biden

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