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Oct 11, 2020 05:41
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Tokamak posted:i'm woke biden i'm regular biden
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Oct 11, 2020 06:01
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I do my own research when voting federally, but for the council elections it feels safe enough to just follow the HTV card the Greens sent out
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Oct 11, 2020 06:11
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DRINK ME posted:Hey auspol. I have never voted in a council election before so I’m looking for some guidance. Just the sort of question I’d normally ask at the office but there’s no office any more: How the gently caress do you work out who to vote for in these things? I told my 'Liberal' candidate to get hosed when she approached me at the market the other day, only to be told that 'I'm actually an independent'. Not sure what the go is there when all her campaign flyers are exactly Liberal party blue and she's heavily involved with the local chamber of commerce? If it looks like a Lib and squawks like a Lib they can get hosed imo.
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Oct 11, 2020 07:33
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I loving hate Liberpendents. It should be illegal.
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Oct 11, 2020 07:51
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I'm voting for the local councillor who wants to put a new pool in. We don't have a public pool in my electorate, so it'd be really nice 
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Oct 11, 2020 07:53
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Anidav posted:I loving hate Liberpendents. MLYP
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Oct 11, 2020 08:04
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Most parties don't endorse candidates for local council elections. If a candidate is a member of a party you can assume they are representing that party, will report to that party, and will push that parties agenda. Claiming to be an independant when you are a member of a party is misleading at best.
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Oct 11, 2020 09:52
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It also lets nutcases blame everything on "greens counsellors"
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Oct 11, 2020 09:55
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Greg Sheridan is like one of those lost Japanese soldiers who were fighting WWII 30 years later, except his particular battle is the Cold War. He’s so rabidly anti communism that anyone left of Hitler is about to collectivise his property and send him to the gulag. I remember an article in which he lamented that the youth today don’t get his view of communism and the 100s or millions of deaths it was responsible for.
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Oct 11, 2020 09:59
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Tommunist posted:MLYP ML YITTLE PONY
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Oct 11, 2020 10:03
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The Victorian government recently introduced a new local government act, and the entire purpose of it was to introduce single member wards to make it easier for party hacks to control councils. Everything else in the bill was Wishlist stuff or a bargaining chip to preserve the single member ward reforms. Both major parties are almost certainly going hard at this round of elections, either openly or not.
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Oct 11, 2020 10:38
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If my social media feeds are any guide, the pause in declining cases over the past fortnight has really driven some Melburnians to breaking point. It's frustrating and depressing, but I don't see the logic in being prepared to throw the towel in now when we're this close.
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Oct 11, 2020 23:43
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freebooter posted:If my social media feeds are any guide, the pause in declining cases over the past fortnight has really driven some Melburnians to breaking point. Just lol at thinking people are logical
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Oct 12, 2020 00:01
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The weirdest thing for me is the disconnect some people still have between lockdown and threat to public health. You aren't upset about the lockdown - you're upset about the pandemic that makes the lockdown necessary.
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Oct 12, 2020 00:06
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freebooter posted:If my social media feeds are any guide, the pause in declining cases over the past fortnight has really driven some Melburnians to breaking point. Frustration and anger is a pretty valid reaction to a seemingly never ending lockdown. It doesn't need to be logical for peoples reactions to be valid.
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Oct 12, 2020 00:13
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It's pretty rational to be losing your mind and getting angry at the government when you can't work, you're on paltry economic support, your small business is hosed, etc, etc, etc. White collar remote capable workers are not the norm and a lot of people are properly hosed. If the government tells you that you can't earn an income or run your life normally it's on them to make it right and they're not making it right.
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Oct 12, 2020 00:16
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Tommunist posted:Frustration and anger is a pretty valid reaction to a seemingly never ending lockdown. It doesn't need to be logical for peoples reactions to be valid.
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Oct 12, 2020 00:38
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Yeah most of the frustration I'm seeing (and experiencing tbh) isn't paired with a sentiment that we should end lockdown. It's just venting that we're doing everything right and it's still not getting where it needs to be, and frankly fatigue from the lockdown. Like, this situation objectively loving sucks, and I am feeling new levels of annoyance and depression at it all, I want to see my family and friends, but that does not mean I think restrictions should be lifted. It's the right thing but it's loving hard.
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Oct 12, 2020 00:41
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Can't they start eliminating the virus block by block, suburb by suburb? Figure out where it is and isn't and make that lockdown zone smaller.
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Oct 12, 2020 00:59
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JBP posted:It's pretty rational to be losing your mind and getting angry at the government when you can't work, you're on paltry economic support, your small business is hosed, etc, etc, etc. White collar remote capable workers are not the norm and a lot of people are properly hosed. 100% this. I'm absolutely furious at the way state + federal governments have dealt with the pandemic. I havnt seen my friends or had a meaningful human interaction in 6 months, my career i worked 5 years to build is dead and im going to have to go back to study (my courses were canceled this semester already lmao). I'm basically broke and living at my parents and im almost 30 while the government winds back pandemic support. Like no poo poo its important to beat this pandemic but it doesn't make mine (and im not doing it nearly as bad as a bunch of other people) or a ton of other peoples situation any easier. I havnt broken restrictions because its not worth it but I feel utterly betrayed and let down. TammyHEH fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Oct 12, 2020 |
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Oct 12, 2020 01:01
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freebooter posted:If my social media feeds are any guide, the pause in declining cases over the past fortnight has really driven some Melburnians to breaking point. gently caress Dan Andrews. gently caress his contact tracing team. gently caress these ridiculous rules. I'm consistently breaking the 5km limit rule and I'm encouraging others to do the same. We obeyed the rules for months, the Government not only caused the second wave, but they haven't invested in contact tracing. If they're not going to do their part, I'm not going to do mine. I'm not going to put people at risk but I'm going for long drives to take my son to parks, and to secluded reserves where we can meet with friends while remaining socially distant, while wearing masks, etc. gently caress Dan Andrews, gently caress Labor, gently caress this administration for fumbling their loving responsibilities.
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Oct 12, 2020 01:02
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Pleasant Friend posted:Can't they start eliminating the virus block by block, suburb by suburb? Figure out where it is and isn't and make that lockdown zone smaller. Vic government has already said they won't do this afaik
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Oct 12, 2020 01:03
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Pleasant Friend posted:Can't they start eliminating the virus block by block, suburb by suburb? Figure out where it is and isn't and make that lockdown zone smaller. They attempted this at the start, trying to lock down specific postcodes, but it doesn't work because people move around too much, and there are too many ways to cross postcode boundaries to create an effective lockdown (See CelestialScribe posts for more exciting reasons to not follow the rules).
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Oct 12, 2020 01:16
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CelestialScribe posted:gently caress Dan Andrews. gently caress his contact tracing team. gently caress these ridiculous rules. I hope you accidentally give your kid covid and he forgets how to read, you odball
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Oct 12, 2020 01:22
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The Peccadillo posted:I hope you accidentally give your kid covid and he forgets how to read, you odball I'm sorry if you think that standing the middle of a field will give you COVID, but I can't cure your stupidity.
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Oct 12, 2020 01:23
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Flagrantly violating the 5km rule to drive by the daily presser and show my whole rear end and taint
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Oct 12, 2020 01:23
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Plenty of people are breaking the rules and I'd hazard a guess that most of those people would blame the Govt for a 3rd wave if it happens and take no responsibility for their own actions. CelestialScribe posted:I'm not going to put people at risk but I'm going for long drives to take my son to parks, and to secluded reserves where we can meet with friends while remaining socially distant, while wearing masks, etc. gently caress Dan Andrews, gently caress Labor, gently caress this administration for fumbling their loving responsibilities. While small, this does increase the chances of the virus spreading which then puts people at risk. It might only be a small increase but if 100000 people do it the risk goes up and we end up with the current situation.
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Oct 12, 2020 01:24
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Periphery posted:While small, this does increase the chances of the virus spreading which then puts people at risk. It might only be a small increase but if 100000 people do it the risk goes up and we end up with the current situation. So does letting intimate partners see each other. I don't see you complaining about that? Dan Andrews seems to think that seeing a tinder hook-up is more important than me seeing a close friend, in public, in the open, while masked. gently caress him and gently caress the rules.
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Oct 12, 2020 01:26
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The problem is that people will take the position that Labor hosed this up, and then shift into supporting the LNP which could only have made things worse. Like you're going to get better social support from going further right. And like you aren't going to get more lowest bidder neoliberalism stuff ups either.
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Oct 12, 2020 01:28
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It also makes more work for the contact tracers I care so much about but hey, it's my pandemic, you can't tell me what to do.bell jar posted:Fragrantly violating the 5km rule to drive by the daily presser and show my whole rear end and taint
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Oct 12, 2020 01:29
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Knobb Manwich posted:It also makes more work for the contact tracers I care so much about but hey, it's my pandemic, you can't tell me what to do. The contact tracers aren't doing their jobs anyway.
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Oct 12, 2020 01:30
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CelestialScribe posted:So does letting intimate partners see each other. I don't see you complaining about that? There are a lot less intimate partners than their are close friends. The system and modelling had to be set up around rules to limit the spread so the lines have to be drawn somewhere. If the rules aren't followed then the chances of the predictions being accurate decrease. If you choose to not follow the rules don't blame the government for the system failing.
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Oct 12, 2020 01:31
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Periphery posted:If you choose to not follow the rules don't blame the government for the system failing. I absolutely blame the government for getting us to this point, yes. Yes I do. From this point? No, I don't blame them. But they've forced Victorians into a position where the only reasonable thing to do is break the rules. So gently caress them. You seem to be a lot more focused on me killing someone than Dan Andrews, whose government failures have *literally* caused the deaths of dozens of people in this state. Shift your focus.
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Oct 12, 2020 01:33
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I curse my parents for teaching me to wipe my rear end, and intentionally try to get conjunctivitis as revenge
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Oct 12, 2020 01:37
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CelestialScribes posting is the reason we need a bill of rights in Victoria
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Oct 12, 2020 01:38
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CelestialScribe posted:I absolutely blame the government for getting us to this point, yes. Yes I do. And you don't think the 2nd wave could have been caused in part by similar breaches of the rules as is occurring now?
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Oct 12, 2020 01:42
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Amoeba102 posted:The problem is that people will take the position that Labor hosed this up, and then shift into supporting the LNP which could only have made things worse. Like you're going to get better social support from going further right. And like you aren't going to get more lowest bidder neoliberalism stuff ups either. It's really this. All the anti-Labor stuff is mostly shady poo poo like Twitter polls being targeted by bots and that danliedpeopledied hashtag that was started by an Egyptian account or the Murdoch media running amok. Or Facebook craziness. Legitimate criticism of the Andrews government is one thing, but people deciding the LNP, much less the clownshow that is the Victorian Liberals, would somehow handle it better is insane. I know people who did that "give Dan the boot" protest and none of them could really give a response to questions of who they would rather lead the Labor party, much less have any concept of how far we are away from the next election, or how the public service that advises policy isn't elected. Thankfully these wierdos are still small in number.
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Oct 12, 2020 01:47
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Periphery posted:And you don't think the 2nd wave could have been caused in part by similar breaches of the rules as is occurring now? The 2nd wave occurred because security guards were not trained properly and there was not a system in place to prevent their own personal mistakes (yes, flagrant restriction breaking) from threatening the community. That is Dan Andrews' failure, and his failure alone. And if it was a Liberal government you would say the same thing.
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Oct 12, 2020 01:48
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Carnaticum posted:I know people who did that "give Dan the boot" protest and none of them could really give a response to questions of who they would rather lead the Labor party, It isn't their problem. Dan Andrews hosed up, he needs to go. Not really an issue.
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