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Just got a text saying that if I care about racial justice then I should vote No on Prop 16 because it allows the government to discriminate based on race and sex in hiring decisions. 
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Infinite Karma posted:How about we just remove Prop 13 from everything 
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ProperGanderPusher posted:There’s too many boomers waiting for their inheritance or the chance to own California real estate at a super low tax rate for that kind of Prop 13 reform to happen. Probably not as many boomers waiting for inheritances as you think. I'm at the tail end of the boomers, and I'm over 60. Boomer kids are mostly Gen X - Gen Y.
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Oct 9, 2020 21:07
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Yeah the problem isn't the boomers who want to own property, it's the ones that currently do, and want it to simultaneously be considered their humble homestead that they're hanging on to with pluck and grit, and have a guarantee that one day they will be able to reap a massive reward for being smart enough to have money at one point in the 70s or 80s. If it's shelter, fine, there's an argument to be made for subsidizing that. If it's a appreciating capital asset, pay your loving taxes on it.
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Oct 9, 2020 21:19
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Houses are apartments now, they are businesses. Open street view in google maps on any street in Rialto for example, and see how many houses have 3-6 cars in front, in the middle of the day. Those are all renters. Grandma has 4 mortgages now and those packs of renters are paying them off. It’s free real estate.
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Oct 9, 2020 22:01
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Infinite Karma posted:How about we just remove Prop 13 from everything except for owner-occupied primary residences? No second homes, no rental homes, no transfers at the current tax rate (if you move your primary residence, you get Prop 13 protection at the rate you bought the new house for), no commercial properties. And only that as a concession to grandma who would actually be homeless if you made her sell her now-unaffordable house (and knowing that her pension/social security isn't enough to afford a rental). For me, my concern is that if I and my neighbor both own homes with the same value, then we should be paying the same property tax. I don't give a poo poo about when they bought their property vs. when I bought my property. If we have what is effectively the same house, then we should be paying the same taxes on that house.
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The only compromise I'm okay with short of "complete repeal, join the civilized world in paying taxes you fuckers," is (1) Commercial repeal + (2) Eliminate the inheritance pass-down. Want to keep Grandma's $10M estate? Pay taxes on it like it's worth $10M or gently caress off and sell it. Ideally, wipe the whole thing. Other highly-populated states manage to keep retirees in their homes just fine without creating a de facto landed gentry.
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Oct 9, 2020 22:11
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fermun posted:There's a "Progressive Voter Guide" going around which is saying to vote Yes on 22. It's apparently pretty drat cheap to buy an endorsement these days, because Uber/Lyft only paid them $20K. Wow, free speech in action! What a beautiful marketplace of ideas!
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Oct 9, 2020 22:49
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The best money can afford!
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Oct 9, 2020 23:08
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"American Nurses Association"
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Oct 9, 2020 23:51
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you, a moron: "prop 13 is bad, let's at least repeal it for commercial property" me, pro-housing and anti-racist: "if we let governments get taxes from commercial property they won't build anything else" https://twitter.com/uhshanti/status/1314692583981903872 if we spend all our vespene gas on malls we won't be able to build more apartments.
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Oct 10, 2020 00:19
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All that unusable commercial space eating up the land bringing in no revenue! But at least the tax bill is lower!
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Keyser_Soze posted:"American Nurses Association" American Nurses Association Ltd.
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Goodpancakes posted:All that unusable commercial space eating up the land bringing in no revenue! But at least the tax bill is lower! By exempting commercial property and the rich from taxation, and shifting that tax burden onto ordinary people we can finally take power back from the plutocracy!
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PG&E has killed again https://twitter.com/pohl_jason/status/1314693280114700289?s=20
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Wicked Them Beats posted:PG&E has killed again what's their confirmed death count at nowadays?
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The Bobcat fire is thought to be caused by Edison lmao.
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Nationalize em all, find a different way to fund calpers
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Elissia posted:what's their confirmed death count at nowadays? definitely 100+ 150?
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love too see a think tank named "Housing Action Coalition" that thinks land use isn't already fiscalized
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worst part about PG&E's bullshit is that even if a responsible entity took them over it'd take like a loving decade to fix all the poo poo they neglected. it'd be better to pay people to move out of high risk fire areas while fixing all PG&E's broken poo poo, imo.
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The Glumslinger posted:Nationalize em all, find a different way to fund calpers But how would we PAY for it?!?
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The feds should be in charge of public utilities full stop. Private companies should not be entrusted with vital architecture. This of course also means the feds would have to actually fix their poo poo as well, so we are doubly hosed.
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Do any of you guys have a quick proposition guide for progressive voters that I could share? I have a lot of friends in California and although I don't expect my Facebook sharing to change the world, I'd like to signal boost what I can.
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Eric Cantonese posted:Do any of you guys have a quick proposition guide for progressive voters that I could share? I have a lot of friends in California and although I don't expect my Facebook sharing to change the world, I'd like to signal boost what I can. From a few pages back. unbutthurtable posted:I realized I posted this in the LA LAN thread, but it's relevant here too: DSA-LA finished this year's voter guide. You can get it at this link: https://dsa-la.org/2020voterguide
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ratbert90 posted:The feds should be in charge of public utilities full stop. Private companies should not be entrusted with vital architecture. This of course also means the feds would have to actually fix their poo poo as well, so we are doubly hosed. its mindblowing that our "public utilities" have shareholders. like i can buy it on robinhood right now lmao. Incredibly hosed up. Anything with stock is primarily driven to create shareholder value and not, you know, provide their public utility at as close to cost as possible to ratepayers and not burn down the state on the reg. maybe even invest in R&D for a better tomorrow and not quarterly profits? HMMMMMM
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also why the hell is edison stock surging so hard since oct 1? might be time to place some puts if it comes out that they did the bobcat fire. it's free money. 
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Eric Cantonese posted:Do any of you guys have a quick proposition guide for progressive voters that I could share? I have a lot of friends in California and although I don't expect my Facebook sharing to change the world, I'd like to signal boost what I can. https://www.theleaguesf.org/voter_guides has good one and their reasoning that i agreed with Pete Rates the Props has been a staple for like 2 decades now and usually pretty decent, although hes pretty lib and i don't agree with some of it: http://www.peterates.com/index.shtml Prop 25 is an super bad one you'll see options on and such a shitshow, neither are good. i ended up doing yes but only reluctantly and either option is "i hope legislature fixes it". yes at least shows that cash bail needed to go away but hoping legislature fixes the "racist computer" problem later; "no" shows that people love cash bail and isn't likely to be seen as a referendum against the racist algorithm part of it; so it's still hoping that legislature comes back and passes an actual cash-bail elimination bill sans racist computer problem (which also is ????) Xaris fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Oct 11, 2020 |
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Xaris posted:https://www.theleaguesf.org/voter_guides has good one and their reasoning that i agreed with ....so you decided to allow racist cops and racist algorithms determine whether impoverished people of color are eligible for bail at all? Poor choice. If you recognize that our justice system is absolutely hosed, vote no on Prop 25.
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Example of the kind of algorithm Prop 25/SB10 is likely to use:   This is from Virginia pretrial risk assessment instrument, which is one of the widespread existing ones. Racist in that past convictions, drug use, and employment are all racially correlated. They all also seem reasonably likely to be predictive. i.e. - comparing a white person with their BIPOC doppelganger, the BIPOC version is more likely to have a past conviction - comparing someone with their unemployed same-race doppelganger, the unemployed version is more likely to skip out on court can both be true
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No racist algorithms in a racist system!
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Foxfire_ posted:Example of the kind of algorithm Prop 25/SB10 is likely to use: I knew it. I knew it was just some loving charts. Computer algorithm my rear end in a top hat.
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My questions on Prop 23 and 25, which are the only two I think I'm unsure about at this point: Prop 23: Does anyone know why this is on the ballot instead of at the negotiating table? As a former bargaining member, this being on the ballot says to me the membership isn't willing to walk over it, or else they'd be doing that instead of bringing it to voters. Does membership as a whole support this prop? My initial reaction to this is that the narrative of "this will cause more dialysis patients to die because we will have to close clinics" is a soft threat from management that they'd rather close a bunch of places over diminishing their bottom line, which sucks, but if everything this prop does is for the ultimate benefit of patients and management won't budge then why aren't they striking over it? Prop 25: Can we send a message that we hate cash bail and then work to fix the issues with this through activism aimed at getting our representatives to solve the algorithmic and judge bias issues everyone voting against this is bringing up? Is this an issue I can solve by calling my representative weekly to ask what they are doing to make the system more fair?
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prop 25 is a lovely choice by design because it's an attempt to resolve the topline issue of cash bail while not disturbing the fundamental need of the prison system to disproportionately lock up minorities and poor people. you're not being given the opportunity to vote against locking people up for the crime of being poor or looking brown on purpose Shear Modulus fucked around with this message at 07:46 on Oct 12, 2020 |
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Oct 12, 2020 07:40
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When do we get a prop to burn the prison system down?
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Quidthulhu posted:Prop 25: Can we send a message that we hate cash bail and then work to fix the issues with this through activism aimed at getting our representatives to solve the algorithmic and judge bias issues everyone voting against this is bringing up? Is this an issue I can solve by calling my representative weekly to ask what they are doing to make the system more fair?
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Don't vote to keep cash bail because the replacement is Not Ideal. That's what further propositions and complaining to your reps are for.GrandpaPants posted:When do we get a prop to burn the prison system down? Draw one up and collect enough signatures. I'll sign it.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Don't vote to keep cash bail because the replacement is Not Ideal. That's what further propositions and complaining to your reps are for. That's not how propositions function and a Yes on Prop 25 is pretty goddamn disastrous and gives more arbitrary power to a bloated, racist system. To imply that the problem with it is that it's "not ideal" is farcical and indicates a fundamental misunderstanding of how laws function in the US. If you want to eliminate cash bail (which I do, I also want to burn down prisons and have worked in prison abolition/justice reform advocacy for 20+ years, am the daughter of a pretty important CA civil rights attorney and am applying to law schools to take over for pops even tho I'm old now) then a far more efficacious method would be to elect more DAs like Chesa Boudin. https://knock-la.com/vote-no-on-prop-25-cash-bail-sb-10-bad-cd9fe3d3af19 https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/Prop-25-banning-money-bail-does-not-promote-15629811.php
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voting no on prop 25 is a vote to repeal sb 10, which would then keep in place the cash bail system and which the bail bonds industry has spent millions trying to get you to do so no thanks i'll be voting yes on that
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and replaces cash bail system (also bad) with wide discretion for racist judges and inherently racially biased "crime preventing algorithms" to keep poor and brown people in prison in perpetuity, which is why the NAACP, ACLU, Human Rights Watch and SF Public Defenders oppose it. Cash bail is bad, Prop 25 is loving evil
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