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ilitarist posted:I'm still puzzled by this question. Like why action games allow you to use just a couple of weapons instead of carrying every weapon? Limitations can force you into interesting gameplay when there's enough depth to encourage you to innovate, or if the mechanics are compelling enough on their own, but lacking that it can be frustrating. It's why the 2 gun system works well enough in Call of Duty multiplayer, where you have to consider the map and your opponents weapons, and feels like an annoying rule in the single player. I don't think this holds true for everyone, but I don't think any single part of Odyssey's Assassin/Warrior/Hunter trifecta stands well enough on its own to be stuck too for a large portion of a very long game.
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Friendly Fire posted:Odyssey though to me felt like it had a veneer of a AAA game while underneath almost everything felt like it was unfinished in some way. From the story petering of to nothing, to the ships having troops be literal turrets that spin in place until boarding with no visible crew at all, to just about every building and non character NPC being copy/pasted. yeah i liked a lot of the ideas in the game and thought it had some cool potential but much of it was sort of half assed. like the idea that you can recruit various people with different skill sets to your "crew" except all they do is just stand around, they never say or do anything interesting. the bounty hunter thing could have been a lot more interesting as well. i love the idea of a super powerful enemy who literally hunts you and chases you around the map but they just became more window dressing
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Yeah, I've heard people complaining about Odyssey being too long and repetitive. For me it was the only AC game that didn't bore me to death with gameplay making me rush for the ending - even in Origins I was made at the game cause I needed to do some sidequests to have a high enough level to tackle the end game. Odyssey had me playing postgame probably longer than I've played the base game, doing all the small quests, clearing out fortresses and so on and so on. I've enjoyed the basic gameplay loop. Really it's probably the first game I liked enough to continue to play after the official end for a long time. ilitarist fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Oct 14, 2020 |
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Oct 14, 2020 21:41
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ilitarist posted:I'm still puzzled by this question. Like why action games allow you to use just a couple of weapons instead of carrying every weapon? The good ones let you carry every weapon
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Oct 14, 2020 21:45
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ilitarist posted:Makes me wonder if more games should follow GTA/RDR gameplay model where the main story is basically a long tutorial with the endless introduction of new mechanics That style really infuriates me, so I don't think there's a solution that would please everyone. I like to be told all the game mechanics asap and then try to forget it's a game thereafter. I also cannot imagine thinking only having 15-20 hours of game is good, but I suppose not gating the main quest behind levels might help people who want to rush.
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Oct 14, 2020 22:02
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Alchenar posted:Wait wait wait wait wait I have I been totally oblivious to this point because I know the scene has been shown before, but is that Kassandra telling the player characters to go conquer England? First thing I noticed and.... Ubisoft Brazil says effectively, yes its Kassandra https://twitter.com/UbisoftBrasil/status/1316484651700060164
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Earwicker posted:yeah i liked a lot of the ideas in the game and thought it had some cool potential but much of it was sort of half assed. like the idea that you can recruit various people with different skill sets to your "crew" except all they do is just stand around, they never say or do anything interesting. the bounty hunter thing could have been a lot more interesting as well. i love the idea of a super powerful enemy who literally hunts you and chases you around the map but they just became more window dressing I'm generally pro-Odyssey, but I really hated how you could recruit somewhat interesting characters from quests, but their ship skills were always so dogshit compared to literally any gold-tier officer that you'd be a fool to actually use them.
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Trustworthy posted:I'm generally pro-Odyssey, but I really hated how you could recruit somewhat interesting characters from quests, but their ship skills were always so dogshit compared to literally any gold-tier officer that you'd be a fool to actually use them. It felt like a missed opportunity, given how much work they put into the ship combat and how much time you had to spend there to get to new places. Like, it's cool to have the family aboard, but it would have been cooler if the whole crew became people you collected. They would have had to re-think the songs, though, since those were all male or all female.
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Better let me romance Kassandra!  Trustworthy posted:I'm generally pro-Odyssey, but I really hated how you could recruit somewhat interesting characters from quests, but their ship skills were always so dogshit compared to literally any gold-tier officer that you'd be a fool to actually use them. Yeah like they introduce Odysseus's granddaughter but once she's on your ship she goes nowhere! Or everything with Kyra that just gets dropped. That's an rpg aspect I want way enlarged. Give me an interesting cast of recurring characters/let us actually have a romance that runs the whole game if we wish.
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Eimi posted:Yeah like they introduce Odysseus's granddaughter but once she's on your ship she goes nowhere! Or everything with Kyra that just gets dropped. That's an rpg aspect I want way enlarged. Give me an interesting cast of recurring characters/let us actually have a romance that runs the whole game if we wish. that last "in depth" gameplay trailer kind of hinted that they were going in this direction for valhalla, in terms of how the settlement and crew work, though they didnt really get specific about it
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Is Kyra the girl who you meet early on, collect legendary animal items for her, gently caress every time you bring her an item, and then her quest line ends with her demanding to die in combat with you? Cuz Jesus Christ that was written by someone who has no idea how human interactions work
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Sandwolf posted:Is Kyra the girl who you meet early on, collect legendary animal items for her, gently caress every time you bring her an item, and then her quest line ends with her demanding to die in combat with you? Nah she's the lady in the Mykonos questchain where her father is an rear end in a top hat cultist and she's orchestrating a rebellion and you help her out and then if you romance her, the response the ending is basically "Hey I have to go fight the rest of this cult but I'll come back if I can" and then you sail into the sunset and were never seen or heard from again.
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Sandwolf posted:Is Kyra the girl who you meet early on, collect legendary animal items for her, gently caress every time you bring her an item, and then her quest line ends with her demanding to die in combat with you? Odyssey has *several* friendly people that will demand to die in combat with you after becoming their friend or romancing them, and I obliged them all
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:Odyssey has *several* friendly people that will demand to die in combat with you after becoming their friend or romancing them, and I obliged them all At least in a viking setting it'll feel more fitting that every other person you dick down or get drunk with (or both) decides they want nothing more in life than to die by your side/at your hand.
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Origins was still better than Odyssey They're both a little too big, but every feature that Odyssey added -> recruitment, mercenaries, the cultist system, dialogue choices, dynamic quests -> was all extremely half-baked, and all the stuff they removed -> double assassinations, fever-dream death sequences, camels, shields -> was cool as hell I would also argue that Origins has a stronger narrative and a more interesting PC but that's a little more subjective whereas everything above is an objective truth 
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Oct 15, 2020 01:42
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It did add Kassandra and let you play as her the whole game. This is extremely important to at least my enjoyment of the game. (Namely that I can play as a woman)
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I liked having a boat. I know origins had a handful of boat segments too but I liked it being a proper fixture of the game. I just like games where you have a boat I guess
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I liked boat battles and hunting down the cultists and killing off mercs who came to kill me.
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Wolfsheim posted:everything above is an objective truth If we're talking about objective truth then mercenaries were kinda half-baked feature of Origins and were vastly improved in Odyssey.
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Oh dear me posted:I also cannot imagine thinking only having 15-20 hours of game is good You... you're saying you don't believe there are good 15 hour games...?
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Oct 15, 2020 03:02
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Just let me RP a big gay viking without the bullshit enforced hetero story that Odyssey had in the DLC and I'll be happy to use the male Eivor. Gayvor. I loved Odyssey though, definitely my top rear end creed since #2
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Wolfsheim posted:Origins was still better than Odyssey i enjoyed the combat(both ground and ship) more than origins and i enjoyed the mercs because it liked the half baked shadow of mordor system of just fighting mini bosses at forts and poo poo. i think i liked origins story and world alot better though. being a wandering jedi sherif is fun. though being an chaotic neutral killer gently caress machine decimating thousands of spartan men and women is fun too. bike tory posted:Just let me RP a big gay viking without the bullshit enforced hetero story that Odyssey had in the DLC and I'll be happy to use the male Eivor. Gayvor. i suspect they learned from that. from reading you can have romances and relationships but no marriage because Eivore don't like being tied down.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i enjoyed the combat(both ground and ship) more than origins and i enjoyed the mercs because it liked the half baked shadow of mordor system of just fighting mini bosses at forts and poo poo. i think i liked origins story and world alot better though. being a wandering jedi sherif is fun. though being an chaotic neutral killer gently caress machine decimating thousands of spartan men and women is fun too. Marriage wasn't the problem, it was the enforced straight marriage drat it. Let me gay marry the viking lady I want to! 
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Eimi posted:Marriage wasn't the problem, it was the enforced straight marriage drat it. Let me gay marry the viking lady I want to! oh i know. i was just saying. I just want to fight with a big greatsword drat it. i havent used one since brotherhood.
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Oct 15, 2020 03:34
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So loving stoked for a 2 handed sword. Also, Odyssey was Assassin's Creed: Lesbian Death Boat and I intend on thinking of a similar clever name for this game, dammit.
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Oct 15, 2020 05:41
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Assassin's Creed: Big Gay Viking Vacation
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ilitarist posted:If we're talking about objective truth then mercenaries were kinda half-baked feature of Origins and were vastly improved in Odyssey. Ehhhh they do a pretty good job of having those ten guys come after you as a big moment during a plot event and then when you finally do get them all you end up with one of the savviest outfits in the game. This mercenary system in Odyssey is both endless and hints at this neat history but never lets you do anything with it, unlike the Mordor games the mercs never come back or talk to you again. Like, killing that tenth and final guy out in the wastelands in Origins was memorable. Killing four more mercs who just showed up after I started fighting a cultist after already running through two dozen barely registers. What am I gonna do, read their backstories after the fact before they get replaced by new randomly generated guys in an hour? It sucks because a lot of the mercs have really cool designs and animal companions and such, so if recruiting them actually let them follow you around or something it could be interesting but otherwise you might see them on your ship sometimes. Sounds like Valhalla does more with it so we'll see 
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Wolfsheim posted:This mercenary system in Odyssey is both endless and hints at this neat history but never lets you do anything with it, unlike the Mordor games the mercs never come back or talk to you again yeah... the mercenary system feels like someone took a really quick look at the nemesis stuff in the mordor games, started building something like it, and then got distracted by something else 1/4 of the way into it in many ways the game feels like different parts of it were made by people who weren't really communicating with one another very well, and overall seems like they took a look at every other popular open world game and arpg of the past few years and tried to emulate a few of the most popular features but only kinda. i do think kassandra is a great character tho and its still fun a lot of the time Earwicker fucked around with this message at 06:39 on Oct 15, 2020 |
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Saxophone posted:So loving stoked for a 2 handed sword. Trying to think of something funny around longshipping but I'm not quite getting there
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Wolfsheim posted:Like, killing that tenth and final guy out in the wastelands in Origins was memorable. I think I only fought 3 of those guys in Origins. One time I was curious about them and twice they came in after the alarm was raised. I remember them being strong and that's it. I'm not not sure why would you even interact with them. In Odyssey I remember meeting high level mercenaries out of my league just wandering the world, plotting their demise so that I can get higher rank and associated boosts. You can hire mercenaries you like and then summon them. Some of them are story characters involved in quests. Some have unique artifacts. They are the main counterweight to taking fortresses head on: even if you don't cause an alarm a longer fight will attract mercs. It's very strange to me that this mechanic deeply connected to the rest of the game both narratively and mechanically can be called half-baked.
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Saxophone posted:So loving stoked for a 2 handed sword. Viking Dream Boat. BaldDwarfOnPCP fucked around with this message at 09:04 on Oct 15, 2020 |
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Simone Magus posted:You... you're saying you don't believe there are good 15 hour games...? No, I'm saying that being short is not itself desirable. I would describe a good 15-hour game as 'good, despite being short', not 'good, because it is short'. (Unless I had paid full AAA price for a 15-hour game, in which case I'd describe it as a rip-off.)
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Oh dear me posted:No, I'm saying that being short is not itself desirable. I would describe a good 15-hour game as 'good, despite being short', not 'good, because it is short'. The problem every Ubisoft open-world game has (because they all follow the exact same formula) is that there's about 10-15 hours of 'good' content and then it's just repeated over and over and over again until you are overwhelmed with blandness and quit. Also in the desire to get as much 'diversity' of content thrown in as possible none of it is actually properly followed through on. The mercenary system is a good example from this page - it's obviously a quick copy of the Nemesis system but they didn't copy across any of the depth of the mechanics from Mordor that actually make it fun and engaging - traits meaningfully impacting how you approach a fight (because as I've been complaining, unless you do a tedious respec and change your gear you are locked into a particular combat style), repeated encounters with relevant dialogue, relationships between enemies, recruiting enemies, recruited enemies betraying you, shaming enemies, sending enemies death threats. Odyssey mercenaries are just a mini-boss fight with randomised weapons and resists that happens if you stay in an area fighting guards too long.
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Evil Canadian posted:First thing I noticed and.... I dunno, maybe it's meant to be her but the voice actor is definitely different. Listen to this little clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC0WhJfW0XI&t=728s
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Oh dear me posted:No, I'm saying that being short is not itself desirable. I would describe a good 15-hour game as 'good, despite being short', not 'good, because it is short'. A 10 or 15 hour game that's fun and engaging for the whole thing is better than a padded out to gently caress repetitive 60 hour game
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Henry?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC0WhJfW0XI&t=3635s I am still worried about the quality of the voice acting tbh the "speak english but with a dodgy accent" thing kind of worked in Origins and Odyssey because they all had fun, sing-songy voices. But here it's like every single character is doing the same monotonous, gruff ~viking voice~ oh well fuf fucked around with this message at 10:26 on Oct 15, 2020 |
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Alchenar posted:The problem every Ubisoft open-world game has (because they all follow the exact same formula) is that there's about 10-15 hours of 'good' content and then it's just repeated over and over and over again until you are overwhelmed with blandness and quit. I see it as a problem with gameplay, not content. If you don't like navigating the world or fighting or developing character or whatever there is in the game then you can talk about how the game should have been shorter cause you had to endure challenges to get to the story and nice views. Earlier AC games had simpler gameplay but tried to be very long tutorials for a long time so it didn't matter as much if you don't actually want to play AC game. I guess this way you turn bland AAA game into an artful experience like Pathologic 2. Origins and Odyssey really want an average Joe to have fun exploring and engaging with gameplay systems. For me Odyssey had ~150 of good content and most of it was emergent gameplay not connected to goofy quests with bad writing many of which I'd rather replace with unambitious "kill 5 Athenian archers" randomly generated quests.
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