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Vince MechMahon posted:Isn't he a white supremacist? He's said stuff as an attempt at a gimmick that gives the impression he might be. Jesus wep is right though, Dijak is quite talented.
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ItohRespectArmy posted:none of these come close to orlando jordans TNA gimmick when they found out he was bisexual. I am reasonably certain most of the TNA stuff was Orlando's idea. He wanted to use his sexuality in WWE for an awful gimmick, and he was finally free to do so in TNA.
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Vince MechMahon posted:Isn't he a white supremacist?
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Shard posted:Did you live through the Beaver Cleavage act or Eugene or Shelton Benjamins Mama or Muhammad Hassan Eugene was good for exactly one segment. Shelton Benjamin's mama at least gave levity to a dude who was a charisma flatline and Muhammad Hassan's problem (at first) was that it had a nuance that neither WWE or its fans could deal with. So they went with terrorists. Which was bad. There was absolutely nothing redeemable about Beaver Cleavage except they gave up on it immediately. For my contribution Spirit Squad was a dumb as gently caress gimmick that was heavily focused on in shows because DX needed people to clown on and only existed in the first place because somebody decided 'hey I bet cheerleading routines could make for great wrestling spots'. And they were kinda right TBH so it wasn't a total loss. But the bad outweighed the good by several orders of magnitude. Retribution. A gimmick of outsiders will die on the vine if it's clear that they're not actually outsiders. Vince needs to control every loving thing so they could only do brand-approved chaos. It was already dead before the masks or the Twitter. The real secret to NWO's success (other than how mindblowing a Hogan heel turn was) is that they hosed up everybody and everything and nobody could stop them.
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If we're talking dumb gimmicks that were DOA then Chavo Guerrero pretending to be a rich white dude was going nowhere fast
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jesus WEP posted:Dijak is really good He's a good wrestler, but he can also be incredibly awkward when he's not in there with the right opponents. When he is in there with people he clicks with he's great, but I also think he has diminishing returns with the same opponent instead of being able to continually elevate and do new things every time out. Meanwhile they've got a minor league full of people who are actually great until they destroy them, so he's pretty disposable. In other news Drake's IG stories are a great example of juxtaposition. https://twitter.com/mongo_ebooks/status/1318924120441184256 He is an artist.
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Rarity posted:If we're talking dumb gimmicks that were DOA then Chavo Guerrero pretending to be a rich white dude was going nowhere fast Was that was Ziggler did right after Spirit Squad? Jesus that dire
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SG Bamboo posted:Was that was Ziggler did right after Spirit Squad? Jesus that dire Was before. Ziggler is a sea of bad gimmicks.
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Dijak is a mega talent. I think he is really skilled in the ring. He is just a toxic human being. So, whatever weighs out I guess. Dude needs to absolutely lay off social media for awhile.
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Rarity posted:If we're talking dumb gimmicks that were DOA then Chavo Guerrero pretending to be a rich white dude was going nowhere fast I am convinced that the only reason that gimmick existed was to set up Eddy vs Chavo. Even then it still sucked.
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Would anyone be up for hosting a Bad Gimmick Tournament or something along those lines? It would be a shameful walk down memory lane but at least it's nice to get out of the house now and then.
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Hedgehog Pie posted:Would anyone be up for hosting a Bad Gimmick Tournament or something along those lines? It would be a shameful walk down memory lane but at least it's nice to get out of the house now and then. I miss the old days of wrestlecrap when it was all just laughing at bad gimmicks and angles, so I would love this.
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I may be the only one left but I still read Wrestlecrap every friday. It was really fun to discover it as a teenager though, before youtube it was the only way to see some of that stuff like the Shockmaster. Also I like the idea!
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gently caress it, I'll do it. My maths slate is wide open since the G1 prediction contest finished
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Eat My Fuc posted:I may be the only one left but I still read Wrestlecrap every friday. It was really fun to discover it as a teenager though, before youtube it was the only way to see some of that stuff like the Shockmaster. I still check in sometimes but it's not the same as back in the day. But it's very possible I've changed not it.
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Vince MechMahon posted:I still check in sometimes but it's not the same as back in the day. But it's very possible I've changed not it.
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Doc M posted:It definitely has changed. There was quite a lot of gross "edgy" "humor" on the site back in the day, I especially remember them being really awful towards Ashley Massaro for a while. It all bled to the forums as well. Well I don't miss that part.
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Yeah, it used to be held back quite a bit by your typical mid-2000s Internet humour. Many of the articles were fun, but certain jokes were quickly run into the ground and certain writers were wackier or more bitter than others, which was awkward. (But enough about Something Awful) I still occasionally read their stuff, not out of a need to be a serious historian but just to laugh at the inherent ridiculousness/offensiveness of pro wrestling. I think being able to go back over stuff with the WWE Network helped some of their recent articles, like the one that really went into detail about how the Higher Power storyline made absolutely zero sense regardless of which angle you approached it from.
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master wato should at least be a 16 seed dont lie
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Can't argue with that logic!
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https://mobile.twitter.com/b3rt4/status/1313885498268622849 https://mobile.twitter.com/NINaylor/status/1312998068523085831 El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Oct 21, 2020 |
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Rarity posted:gently caress it, I'll do it. My maths slate is wide open since the G1 prediction contest finished Thread is up
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Savage. https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1319118664314941440
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I continue to always be in awe of a literal Stand Up for WWE movement yet no other promotion does this in these kinds of numbers and with so much hate. It’s the Fox News of Wrestling and it’s so disappointing to see. Elias came back, cool. Jericho/MJF did a musical number too, cool. The war is so one-sided and it’s so stupid.
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To be fair, people would have to watch the show to know Elias did a musical number on it to then criticize that musical number.
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ICR posted:I continue to always be in awe of a literal Stand Up for WWE movement yet no other promotion does this in these kinds of numbers and with so much hate. Those boots won't lick themselves!
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we literally have seen multiple "cinematic" matches in WWE like AJ versus an undead monster and The Fiend battling Cena within his own loving mind? Those were loving great and so was The Final Deletion in Impact. This is a business where one of the most respected workers of all time is an undead wizard with supernatural powers. WWE is actively pushing not only a storyline where they hired the people who want to destroy them, but also a woman wrestler is being possessed and controlled by a demon who can teleport so I don't understand how a musical number is anymore silly.
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Alright so I hated the musical bit at first. I’ve watched it a few times now... It’s pushing the medium forward, the medium being Pro Wrestling. It makes sense character wise, it further separates MJF and Jericho from his own Inner Circle. It plays up their weaknesses and makes them better heels, it winks at the audience not at the elitist. It’s good, they did good. I was a stickler but I changed my mind. Bravo.
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Eat My Fuc posted:Alright so I hated the musical bit at first. I’ve watched it a few times now... I've said it a few times but that segment made me so loving mad that MJF is so talented. So in that regard alone, its just fantastic heel work.
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ChrisBTY posted:
Whilst I am in the extreme minority here. I had high hopes for the Spirit Squad, and still think that done right it could be good. A bunch of happy, smiley, meth-ed up male cheerleaders, bursting with cocaine fueled energy and positivity. They are heels who don't know they are heels, as all the other wrestlers, and indeed the crowd, poo poo on them for being male cheerleaders because .... well male cheerleaders. They are actually good wrestlers, and get to do cool trampoline based offense, but also get to be clowned on and beaten up by the cool and tough actual wrestlers. Anmd if you want you can slowly turn them face by just having them be innocent and sweet, so relying on the crowd to eventually warm to them. Or keep them as heels, by showing them to have a spiteful mean streak and have them be poor losers. Again, all of the above is the Spirit Squad IF done right. We all know that WWE hosed them up, and tried to make them the credible threat and allied with Vinnie Mac against DX. Which was a poo poo fued.
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Prokhor Zakharov posted:It's a travesty that we don't have a reality TV show that just follows their home life. Mox shouting about hockey, laughing about deathmatch scars, and shooting blowguns while Nene is desperately trying to finish 20 different pies for book photos They were very funny on Total Divas. I just wanted to remind people Moxley was on a season of Total Divas.
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BrigadierSensible posted:all the other wrestlers, and indeed the crowd, poo poo on them for being male cheerleaders because .... well male cheerleaders. making GBS threads on men for being cheerleaders is just saying it's not cool for men to like girl stuff and that's pretty hosed up actually
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Spirit Squad was 100% tapping into “lol male cheerleaders are gay as hell” bullshit. There was no way of salvaging that gimmick in the environment that is the WWE.
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Eat My Fuc posted:Alright so I hated the musical bit at first. I’ve watched it a few times now... Yeah, it was super jarring when you originally watch it because you feel like it's going one direction and then things fall off the rails and you feel like something is very wrong. But it was wonderfully avant-garde as it went along and the things you'd originally want to criticize it for became larger trapping as a part of Jericho and MJF's character work. Like, obviously, the avant-garde is going to be a thing that receives backlash, but like you said it is pushing the medium forward in terms of methods to generate characters, stories, and audience reaction.
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