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Armenia's sounding pretty desperate: Pashinyan urged all mayors, heads of communities, local governments to take leadership, organize self-defense units to protect the right of the Armenian people to a peaceful existence Pashinyan: "There is no Armenia without Artsakh. Therefore, protecting the rights of the people of Artsakh means protecting the rights of the people of Armenia. And it means taking up arms and fighting for so long until there is an opportunity for an acceptable diplomatic solution." Meanwhile Turkey seems to be emboldened by Russia's relative indifference so far: Turkish Vice President: If Azerbaijan wants military assistance, we are ready to send the Turkish army Turkish Vice President: Russia has not been able to resolve the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict and will not be able to do so without Ankara
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I mean, Armenia will be receiving plenty of matériel from Russia. But I am not sure whether Azerbaijan will run out of drones or ammunition, with its direct supply lines to Turkey (who is a producer of such things). I suspect we don't really know the real situation. We do not know AZ losses, we do no know how much of the progress AZ seems to make is genuine. To the degree that the picture given online is accurate, the situation is pretty dire.
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Doesn't matter. Unless Russia starts putting little green men it's going to get to the point where Russia isn't just going to send armenia tanks to get bopped the second they are fielded. AKS and PKMs aren't going to cut it vs Azerbaijan. I mean azerbaijan has air superiority with turkish material and strategic support. It's a loving loss loss. Armenia may stay soverign but they will forever be under the yoke of azerbaijani imperialism.
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Oct 22, 2020 07:08
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For what it's worth, here's a list of visually confirmed losses for either side https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2020/09/the-fight-for-nagorno-karabakh.html
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Putin said today that there have been roughly equal casualties on both sides, and if that's true (you wouldn't think he'd have any incentive to inflate Armenia's numbers), it sounds like a loving disaster for Armenia since they have a substantially smaller population, and since by all accounts their materiel losses have been heavier. I don't think there's any bright side left to find if you're hoping for Armenia to come out of this with anything resembling a win.
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Putin I thought Armenia was within your sphere. Was Syria not? Why not take this opportunity to encroach your influence over the Middle East while the US loosens its grip?
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Grouchio posted:Putin I thought Armenia was within your sphere. Was Syria not? Why not take this opportunity to encroach your influence over the Middle East while the US loosens its grip? Because he's still trying to lure Turkey away from NATO?
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Sinteres posted:Putin said today that there have been roughly equal casualties on both sides, and if that's true (you wouldn't think he'd have any incentive to inflate Armenia's numbers), it sounds like a loving disaster for Armenia since they have a substantially smaller population, and since by all accounts their materiel losses have been heavier. I don't think there's any bright side left to find if you're hoping for Armenia to come out of this with anything resembling a win. https://twitter.com/m_suchkov/status/1319308169244528646 The Armenian front completly collapsed in the south. They could be cut off if Lachin falls, which means the encirclement of the entire Armenian force in Artsakh.
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Bel Shazar posted:Because he's still trying to lure Turkey away from NATO?
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Grouchio posted:Putin I thought Armenia was within your sphere. Was Syria not? Why not take this opportunity to encroach your influence over the Middle East while the US loosens its grip? Putin has apparently not fallen into an Erdogan-style megalomania where he picks fights with whomever he can at all times.
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I genuinely think Russia was caught off guard by Turkey's drone swarm early this year in Idlib and is trying to keep tensions lower since then. Turkey seems to be high off their own farts ever since then, so I don't think tensions can stay low forever, since I think Turkey's going to keep pushing until Russia pushes back one of these days. Short of open war, I assume, but Russia's been unusually quiet lately and I don't see that lasting forever. I'm still surprised they've allowed this to go on in their back yard against their wishes as long as they have, but they and the rest of the world never actually recognized Nagorno-Karabakh as anything other than part of Azerbaijan, so it's easy to shrug it off if backing an irrelevant and weakening Armenia doesn't align with Russia's own interests right now. Dr Kool-AIDS fucked around with this message at 19:54 on Oct 22, 2020 |
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Vasukhani posted:https://twitter.com/m_suchkov/status/1319308169244528646 This is such a sudden development. Just a week ago, the Azeris had taken less than 5% of their occupied territory back.
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Snipee posted:This is such a sudden development. Just a week ago, the Azeris had taken less than 5% of their occupied territory back. Encircling either means Russia would have to break the siege via bombings or the armenians are dead.
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Putin is old and tired. It doesn't matter to him anymore.
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Armenia's prime minister is increasingly open about losing this thing: Pashinyan: It is acceptable for us to bring peacekeepers. I can say that Azerbaijan's views on the composition of peacekeepers will not coincide with those of Armenia. If we talk about concessions, the presence of Russian peacekeepers may be one of our concessions. Pashinyan: We must come to a solution as soon as possible Pashinyan: Armenia is ready for compromise solutions.
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Snipee posted:This is such a sudden development. Just a week ago, the Azeris had taken less than 5% of their occupied territory back. Armenia fought the Azeris in the open southern plain and it was basically gulf war two from the looks of it. The Azeri's have still only taken 10% of Karabakh, the issue is they have achieved a substantial breakthrough and can push to Lachin, which is the only large highway to NK.  A lot of Armenians are unfortunately believing their own propaganda and think they are inflicted x5 the casualties on the Azeris. wisconsingreg fucked around with this message at 21:11 on Oct 22, 2020 |
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Speaking of Lachin, have the Kurds said anything about all this or what.
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What's most interesting is the fact that Azerbaijan made it a priority goal to control the border between Iran and Armenia. partly this is to stop the flow of illicit weapons and materials into the province but the bigger issue is that Armenia is not going to be able to stop the territorial gains for much longer even if right now it looks this map looks like a turkey Kurdistan war it's not going to end that way especially with the US election on the way If we see Donald Trump re-elected you may see Vladimir Putin immediately take a side in the conflict but if you see Joe Biden elected there would definitely be more cause for the conflict to be more of a stealthy support instead of an outright green soldiers everywhere
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Zedhe Khoja posted:Speaking of Lachin, have the Kurds said anything about all this or what. Ironically, a lot of Kurds also fled when Armenia took over the territory. But yeah, can't imagine them being happy between Erdogan and little Erdogan. Dailysabah has, of course, already determined that the PKK is literally fighting there (because they have nothing else to do).
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I was referring to Lachin being the capital of the glorious republic of RED Kurdistan  uh before Stalin deported most of em along with the Volga Germans to kazakhstan
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Can't wait to find out who we'll be helping ISIS fight in ten years. Maybe we'll go full circle and it'll be communists. https://twitter.com/TheEpicDept/status/1319424260490858499
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Sinteres posted:Can't wait to find out who we'll be helping ISIS fight in ten years. Maybe we'll go full circle and it'll be communists.
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So this is vague to the point of meaninglessness, presumably in part because he has no interest in or idea about what's going on there, but FWIW here's Trump today: Trump: "We're working with Armenia. We have a very good relationship with Armenia. We'll see what happens. I think really good progress is being made. We have a lot of people living here from originally Armenia. We're gonna help them." Even outside of election season I don't think Trump would have much bandwidth for this, but with 11 days until the election I feel like the odds of him doing or saying anything meaningful here are about zero.
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Sinteres posted:So this is vague to the point of meaninglessness, presumably in part because he has no interest in or idea about what's going on there, but FWIW here's Trump today: I love how he just says the quite part out loud and acknowledges that the USA's concern extends exactly as far as the Armenians in the US who can vote. Make no mistake, America wants to play nice with the diaspora, but from a FP standpoint they just want Armenia to lose as quickly and quietly as possible.
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He’s just throwing a bone to the kardashians so they don’t poo poo talk him before the election.
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TK-42-1 posted:He’s just throwing a bone to the kardashians so they don’t poo poo talk him before the election.
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What's the deal with the three small enclaves of territory within both countries? There's three little islands of Azerbaijan in Armenia and one small island of Armenia in Azerbaijan.
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Rip Testes posted:What's the deal with the three small enclaves of territory within both countries? There's three little islands of Azerbaijan in Armenia and one small island of Armenia in Azerbaijan. Nakhchivan (Azeri Enclave) posted:After the 1917 February Revolution, Nakhchivan and its surrounding region were under the authority of the Special Transcaucasian Committee of the Russian Provisional Government and subsequently of the short-lived Transcaucasian Democratic Federative Republic. When the TDFR was dissolved in May 1918, Nakhchivan, Nagorno-Karabakh, Zangezur (today the Armenian province of Syunik), and Qazakh were heavily contested between the newly formed and short-lived states of the First Republic of Armenia and the Azerbaijan Democratic Republic (ADR). In June 1918, the region came under Ottoman occupation. Under the terms of the Armistice of Mudros, the Ottomans agreed to pull their troops out of the Transcaucasus to make way for British occupation at the close of the First World War. In July 1920, the Bolsheviks occupied the region and on July 28, declared the Nakhchivan Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic with "close ties" to the Azerbaijan SSR, beginning seventy years of Soviet rule. In January 1990 Nakhchivan declared independence from the USSR to protest against the suppression of the national movement in Azerbaijan, and became the Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic within the newly independent Republic of Azerbaijan a year later.
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Rip Testes posted:What's the deal with the three small enclaves of territory within both countries? There's three little islands of Azerbaijan in Armenia and one small island of Armenia in Azerbaijan. Soviet borders were based on pre-nation state demography. People claiming that NK was given to Azerbaijan as a offering to the turks ignore that Armenia was also like doubled in size under Stalin.
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Vasukhani posted:Soviet borders were based on pre-nation state demography. People claiming that NK was given to Azerbaijan as a offering to the turks ignore that Armenia was also like doubled in size under Stalin. I mean both can be true. On the other hand, claiming that NK was devoid of Azeris is obviously bogus. This especially goes for the actual border regions of AZ now occupied.
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Haramstufe Rot posted:I mean both can be true. On the other hand, claiming that NK was devoid of Azeris is obviously bogus. This especially goes for the actual border regions of AZ now occupied. Azerbaijan claims that Nakhchivan has always been devoid of Armenians, that it has been purely Azeri clay since time immemorial. When pointed out that there was a giant Armenian cemetery in Nakhchivan; they bulldozed it and then turned it into an artillery firing range. Who claimed that Artsakh was devoid of Azeris?
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Cat Mattress posted:Azerbaijan claims that Nakhchivan has always been devoid of Armenians, that it has been purely Azeri clay since time immemorial.  believing in homogenous blood lands is literally the most brain poison of all false consciousnesses wisconsingreg fucked around with this message at 00:58 on Oct 24, 2020 |
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Shushi is not all of Artsakh, what are you talking about?
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Boredumb posted:Shushi is not all of Artsakh, what are you talking about? It was 50% Azeri when that photo was taken. (before the Armenians were massacred and expelled and then before the Azeris were expelled) There are many reasons to support Armenia. Ancient christian clay isnt a good one tho.
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Grouchio posted:Border gore involving early 20th century soviet demographics. For example: To clarify I am not talking about Nahkchivan, but rather much smaller enclaves when you examine the border in Google Maps, one of which appears unnamed. Karki or Tigranashen is a village that is de jure an exclave of the Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic of Azerbaijan, but is de facto under control of Armenia. Artsvashen, also Romanized as Artzvashen, is an exclave of Armenia's Gegharkunik province. The official Azerbaijani name for the village is Başkənd. Its size is about 40 square kilometres, and it is completely surrounded by the territory of Azerbaijan and has been occupied by it since the Nagorno-Karabakh War. Barxudarlı is an abandoned village in the Qazakh Rayon of Azerbaijan. Barxudarlı is an exclave of Azerbaijan. It is surrounded by Armenia and has been controlled by it since the Nagorno-Karabakh War. Its size is about 22 square kilometres
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Those special forces that killed those Armenian PoWs? They were probably trained by USN SEALs https://twitter.com/emil_sanamyan/status/1319010342790377472 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caspian_Guard_Initiative https://archive.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=26294 quote:Petty Officer Nick Rappo said he's encouraged by the skill and motivation he's witnessed among the Azeri SEALS participating in the combined training qualities Csrnko said will become critical for them to protect their country's pipelines.
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Vasukhani posted:Those special forces that killed those Armenian PoWs? They were probably trained by USN SEALs My bpm didn't change by a digit in additional proof that the us has continued to train right-wing deathsquads all over the loving globe.
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Do yourself a favor and don't read internet comments on videos and the like.
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Haramstufe Rot posted:Do yourself a favor and don't read internet comments on videos and the like. Internet comments are famously stupid. I'm talking about people who actually matter. Like the equivalent of Hasan Zeynalov, permanent representative of the Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic (NAR) in Baku, claiming that there has never been any Armenian in Nakhchivan during an interview on the BBC. Not some random anon dumbass on some random Youtube comment feed.
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